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Who believes in the Big bang scientific creation myth? I understand a lot of my atheist friends put their faith in it.

I have alread start a post with discussion in another group. Please feel free to go to that discussion and view over and continue discussion there.

The "lighthouse effect" understanding, gives for causation of red shift caused by a light source that is spinning or rotating. The light leaves light house creating the shape of a spiral

Stars spin and have rotation causing a lot of the light leaving the star to produce the lighthouse effect. Observers far from light source observe the spiral arms expanding without taking into account for lighthouse effect causation.

Observation of red shift at a distance and not taking into consideration the causation, the lighthouse effect, will give an apparence of what is called "spacetime" expansion.

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It's not a myth to have faith in. It's simply the most likely answer based on what we've observed about the universe. Should new and provable information come to light that would change the whole theory, that would be what I would accept as the most likely possibility.

It always annoys me when people consider science something to believe or have faith in.

Now that is spot on! Word went hmm but only because he doesn't have a fucking clue in his witless mind, so he does that a lot, take no offense from the village idiot.

@SnowyOwl Word is dumber than a box of shit.

@yvilletom Which does not make Word any less stupid.

@Toonman Two big boxes of shit.

@yvilletom not that a tight ass like yourself would know how to crank out a decent and healthy stool, that may be your problem, impaction of fecal matter, enough to make your eyes go brown. lol

@SnowyOwl

Ho, ho, ho. Full stop.

( SnowyOwl replied with invective and i blocked him for a month. )

@yvilletom just pull your thumb out of your ass and stop being such a prissy prick about all things PC, maybe break down and laugh out loud.

@SnowyOwl Or he could go fuck himself. That's always an option.

However, PC is a term used by assholes who want to shut down people who point out they're assholes.

I'm an asshole, but I try to own my assholery.

Don't be a pussy. Own your shit.

@yvilletom

You could put your ass against a wall and suck out a brick.

@Toonman Bye.

( I blocked TM for two days. )

@yvilletom

He comes back to te me he left...

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not me. I believe in an invisible sky pixie with magical powers that can hear my thoughts and loves me. makes more sense

Leetx Level 7 Dec 14, 2021
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Belief? Faith? You're conflating religion and science, either out of profound ignorance, or you are being disingenuous. In either case there's nothing to debate.

Scientific creation myth.....whatever the fuck that is......👀

Yes, I do agree with @themiddleway on #1. As he posted above. Belief means hold information as true.

The ethical purpose of science foundation and holding "science information " , is to hold that information in its trueest form. Thus, science is about holding beliefs - the information they deam as true.

@Word Today no self respecting scientist/physicist would hold views the were prevalent at the time Galileo or Issac Newton, however, the same cannot be said of those who hold religious beliefs. Every scientist is subject to continual peer review.

@TheMiddleWay
'So if you see those words, you shouldn't instantly think "RELIGIOUS ZEALOT TALKING!!!"'
I agree. I tend to regard atheists with such a mindset as closed-minded. Incidentally, there are highly-regarded scientists who are also committed religious believers.

@Tejas

See above discussion on "faith" and "belief". I do not hold it disingenuous to use such words as I have in these contexts.

@TheMiddleWay Exactly.

@Ryo1 And as per yesterday's discussion, we atheists regard you as a religious apologist. In my case on the verge of being blocked as a time waster.

@Ryo1 What is someone who can't at least commit to being agnostic even doing here? Your ass should be run out of town.

@TheMiddleWay You're an idiot.

@TheMiddleWay

He certainly talks well but why does he believe in the story of Jesus ?. Because he was born into a Christian culture.
It puzzles me that someone who so admires the laws of physics can believe that they were set aside once only around 2000 years ago.
Nonsensical.

@TheMiddleWay My point is if he was born in India he would probably be a Hindu or Sikh and if he was born in a Muslim country he would worship Allah. If he was Jewish he would not believe the Jesus myth Ken Ham is a screwball not a scientist.

@TheMiddleWay It's not a worthwhile debate for people who don't know anything about it, nor for people who do to have to listen to the ignorant bloviating from the former.

Religious assholes further muddy the so-called "conversation" by conflating astrophysical concepts like the Big Bang with concepts like evolution.

The Big Bang is the domain of astrophysicists, not evolutionary biologists. Evolution--the process of how species change over time due to natural selection--has nothing to do with the origins of the universe.

They are two different theories and two different avenues of study.

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We don't know if the Big Bang happened or not. All we really know is that it's at least possible since it doesn't violate any of the physical laws that govern the universe. It's certainly possible that something else accounts for the creation of the universe but how can we know what that might've been since reality as we understand it didn't exist in the millisecond prior to the creation of the universe. Still, if someone speculates on a theory that respects physics, it can at least be heard and discussed as a possibility.

What we do know is that it wasn't pulled from the ass of some eternal being in the sky using his limitless magical powers.

If there was no universe, there was no sky.

@twill Pedantic antics with semantics.

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I have to smile when someone on a chat site such as this tells the greatest scientific minds in the world that they are talking rubbish.
A recent BBC series entitled "Universe" fronted by professor Brian Cox went into great detail on the most up to date scientific theories on the origin of the universe.
Maybe you should watch it.

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Atheism is a lack of faith.

Therefore we don't put our faith in the Big Bang.

We accept that the evidence points to it, and until compelling evidence comes along that indicates otherwise it will do.

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Do I know what happened and got the universe started? NO. I have no clue and know nothing of a Big Bang. I do know that it certainly was not creation like in Genesis.

Exactly

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It's unlikely that anyone will ever prove precisely how/if the universe began. The Big Bang is simply the best theory that anyone has come up with so far to explain how it might have happened. A multitude of scientists have worked on this theory, refined it, and added to it and I'm fairly certain that they all far more knowledgeable on astrophysics than you or me.

I am reasonably certain that a magic space wizard did not create the universe.

So, could the universe have began some other way? Maybe but the Big Bang Theory is probably at least in the ballpark of being correct.

Though maybe the universe simply has always existed, circling forever in an infinite loop of space and time.

Maybe its something else entirely that is so beyond our current level of scientific understanding that we could not possibly comprehend it.

But, for all that it matters, we might as well just go with the Big Bang Theory since nobody else has a more plausible theory.

Your "...has always existed, circling forever in an infinite loop of space and time" is much like the astronomer Edwin Hubble's "unbounded in space and time".

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I don't know exactly what happened but I know exactly what didn't happen. The creationism nonsense like what's in the Book of Genesis.

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There is no way to prove if the Big Bang Theory postulated by modern physics is true and there is no way to prove that it is untrue. Hitherto, there is no incontrovertible conclusive proof as to the origin of the universe. However, from a rational perspective some model is certainly better than no model. Doubltess, with the passage of time the model will be tweaked.

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My creation myth is "I don't know." It leaves me with time to do something else.

Elegant myth. I love it.

Your right. You don't know yet you speak with authority. That makes you...,..

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Atheism should really have no connection with physics, whatever the theories. Since atheism is concerned with the issue of whether there is a supernatural or not, which is faith based, and science is only concerned with the natural. If all the scientific theories about everything were proved to be wrong, ( And certainly I am informed by people who have more knowledge of it than me, that the big bang is a lot more doubtful than many. ) that would not prove god, only that a new scientific theory was needed. While if apologists found a conclusive proof of the existence of a creator god, that would not disprove any scientific theories, but would only ask what method the god used for creation.

Science may disprove, ( To a reasonable level, if you do not embrace extremes such as total solipsism. ) the truth of certain ideas about the nature of god, such as the idea that god is accurately described in certain books like the bible. But that can also be disproved by history, philosophy, mathematics, textural study, logic and a dozen other disciplines anyway.

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All righty then, Lol.
"Big bang scientific creation myth". Similar to the "scientific gravity myth", the "scientific speed of light myth", the "scientific quantum theory myth", etc., Okay, honestly that last one may actually be a myth.

I'm extremely curious, what's your favored creation myth, the universe on the back of a giant turtle?

No, I would say "something " has always existed. Much beyond that I have not much "theorized" to explain from eternity past to the now.

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Not a myth, a science based theory. Science theories can change, grow,, develop, and even be dropped, because it is fucking science. Calling it a myth sounds like denying something in the Universe happened. It sounds like something a secret creationist would want to spread.

Carl Sagan is a "secret creationist "? At 2 minutes 50 seconds he clearly says "the big bang is our modern scientific creation myth "

@Word

Do you know what a metaphor is?

Sagan is using the term "creation myth" metaphorically.

If you were as educated as you want me to believe, you'd have figured this out on your own.

@Word please read Demon Haunted World by Carl Sagan if you are still under the delusion he is a creationist. Go ahead, I’ll wait. Here is a link for it, yes it’s safe [bunker2.zlibcdn.com]

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Whether myth or fact matters little in either urgency to know or everyday life; just like gods and such. I actually get a 'big bang' out of reading the nonsensical arguing over it.

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The BBT is the best scientific model we have currently. We don't know what it was like before the BBT, evrything breaks down at planke time.

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I believe that the universe is infinite in time, with the big bang being the beginning of the current expansion cycle. which will be followed by a contraction cycle marked by a huge black hole becomes so gorged with matter and energy that it explodes, creating a new big bang. .

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Please go elsewhere with your stupid bullshit.

Also, learn the difference between a hypothesis and a myth.

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Know any Christian ladies? I could do with a Big Bang myself!

Try Baptist singles group, I understood they are mostly women. But, I have never attended the group myself.

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I call it a SCIENTIFIC theory. Thus, I mostly find ot plausible. If science finds too many holes, then we adjust.
It could be a myth, created by our maker, a middle school kid who put us together as a science fair project. We came in third and are now sitting on a self in her closet. We are all just Sims.

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The Big Bang is a theory. Perhaps the Big Bang & the Big Crunch is eternal.

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If anyone has studied the New Testament, they might find a correlation.

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Use to be interesting...now its like, what difference does it make in my life???

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Expanding Universe?

. . . if redshifts are velocity shifts which measure the rate of expansion, the expanding models are definitely inconsistent with the observations that have been made . . . expanding models are a forced interpretation of the observational results. — E. Hubble, Ap. J., 84, 517, 1936

………..

“If the red shifts are a Doppler shift . . . the observations as they stand lead to the anomaly of a closed universe, curiously small and dense, and, it may be added, suspiciously young.
“On the other hand, if red shifts are not Doppler effects, these anomalies disappear and the region observed appears as a small, homogeneous, but insignificant portion of a universe extended indefinitely in both space and time.“
— E. Hubble, 1937 Royal Astronomical Society Monthly Notices.

That would appear something rather correct to view it.

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The two relativity myths, Special and General. He didn’t even try to write testable hypotheses, let alone test any.

I put a link in the original post above that goes where I have had a lot of discussion already. Feel free to look over it.

I can't wait to hear you shift to the Globe Earth Myth

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