He's from France. He has no concept of our political dynamics in the US.

Knocking on my door on a Saturday morning.
Telling children, not raised in the preferred religion, that they are going to burn in fire forever.

I couldn't stereotypes left or right, they all come in degrees and levels of interest. Glad labels don't stick to me.

Ayn Rand who joined Social Security and Medicare in 1976 because she couldn't afford her health care.

Wouldn't say 100% wrong, if common good means centroism then the extreme to lead to absolute power. then to absolutely corruption, we do know this throughout human history. Right or wrong, can mean there is a better answers in between these extreme consequences.

There is no way in the world that people it would work. Far too many people are far too greedy to care about anyone else but themselves.

You are a liberal in the old school Euro sense. Unfortunate confusing term @Thibaud70 dwells upon. Individualism per Ayn Rand liberalism doesn’t work. That’s why the US is a fucking dystopian hell from its 2nd amendment onward. Religious “liberty” (not for nonconforming) too. Fuck that theocratic crap.

@Jolanta Themselves and their families. That's enough.

@BD66 No it is not enough at all. It is not all about you and your family.

@Jolanta There's a really good documentary on Netflix about chimpanzees, our nearest relatives:

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Chimp culture is works as follows:

A group of 5 to 30 males will stake out an area which has lots of chimp food. They will defend the area with their lives and try at every opportunity to go after males in other areas and kill them at every opportunity in order to extend their feeding area. The females the reach adulthood are driven out of the area they grew up in and must go elsewhere to find mates and protection.

That's chimp society. Early human society was not all that different.

You cannot fundamentally alter human nature. Human nature is to try to provide for your own family, not some stranger who lives 2000 miles away.

As long as the government puts incentives in place that are in line with human nature, those will work. When you try to get humans to do something that is fundamentally against their nature (like collectivism on the scale of millions) it leads to starvation, murder, and death.

@BD66 Except of course we are not chimpanzees. We have brains and hopefully use them. Life on this earth is all about all of us not just a few so called selected ones.

@Jolanta As a species, we are about 500 years away of getting together the largest group of males to take land and resources away from another group of males in order to get access to more females. We're not that different from chimps. We are both great apes.

Pretty sure he posted this exact thing a week or so ago.
It may be a difference in United states and European definition of a Liberal.

@FvckY0u
Exactly. Confusing term.

Or Objectivism. Which is repulsive to me. Think Ayn Rand.

No "Right" can be economic because any Right must be equally available to everyone. Rights are political, never economic.

Somebody posted to another page I follow, that even if every American, able and ready to do so, was working? There would still be 4.2 million available jobs.

The immigrants are needed.

Start worrying if they stop coming.

@BufftonBeotch They can come if they come legally. We don't need a ton of illegals with no employment skills.

@Alienbeing A hundred or so years ago people were pretty much admitted off the boat so long as weren't sick and were able bodied. There was still some racism then as well. Notably against Jewish people.
These people coming are not unskilled, they usually have a job within a couple of days of being released to await an asylum hearing. So they fill an open and waiting job.
And these impoverished refugees, often illiterate in English, cannot possibly be expected to be able to navigate the process the way an applicant from a wealthier background can. It is complicated and can cost thousands of dollars.
Yes. We of course welcome the gifted, educated people in the sciences and medical field from other counties, but the refugees should have a path forward as well. The care givers and the maintenance and the food workers are just as vital.

@BufftonBeotch You greatly misuse the term "refugee"

Last, we are in the 21rst Century, not the late 1800s, and early 1900s. Change took place.

@Alienbeing I am not misusing the term refugee at all. These people are fleeing extreme violence and desperation. You don't walk thousands of miles with small children on a whim.
And times are not really that different. The people then were proud of their advancements and thought they were living in advanced times, just as we do.
In fact, many of the jobs refugees filled then are still exactly the same - house cleaning, child/elder care, maintenance, construction, farm work, meat packing.

@BufftonBeotch They want to come here for economic opportunity. Violence in their countries is gang or criminal related and that is NOT a legal reason to enter.

@Alienbeing Disagree. And our farm industry and meat industry is absolutely dependent on immigrant workers.

@BufftonBeotch I did not say or even address the needs of the meat or farm industries. What I said (and it is a fact) is that seeking better oppportunity or gang or criminals violence in one's home country are not legal reasons to enter the U.S.

If one or all of those reasons constitute the reason(s) for the migrant's illegal crossing, he/she has no legal reason to cross.

@Alienbeing The gangs are in charge of the country.
They will abduct an 11 year old girl from a home at gun point to rape her. They will put a gun to a 12 year old boys head and make him join the gang.
His initiation will be killing his own mother to prove his allegiance.

Telling that you think no one has the right to flee that.

@BufftonBeotch Gangs being in charge of a country DOES NOT give legal reason for illegal entrance to the USA.

Anyone can seek a better life...... LEGALLY.

@Alienbeing That takes thousands of dollars and legal savvy that impoverished people do not have.

@Alienbeing And the US is the reason these people live under gang rule. We funded the right wing dictators to overthrow the leaders they elected.

@BufftonBeotch Being impoverished is NOT a reason for illegal immigration..

@BufftonBeotch Baloney. Unfortunately, our Southern Hemisphere has been plagued by poor or absolute dishonest Governments for almost all their existence. Any aid we gave them did not create the problem.

@Alienbeing We gave them Pinochet and helped slaughter people in a soccer stadium.
School of the Americas for another.

@BufftonBeotch That is in part correct, but in no way justifies illegal border crossing.

@Alienbeing Coming through a legal border crossing and asking asylum is not illegal.

Plenty of other people not brown over stay a work visa and hope to humpy to a marriage and anchor baby. Like all trumps wives.

@Alienbeing Illegal border crossing. Trumpers that I work with thought I should be shot for going to Kenya without a visa. We live in a sad world today.

@DenoPenno Trumpers and Trump himself stink, however illegal crossings are still illegal.

@BufftonBeotch Did I ever say coming through an official border crossing and requesting asylum was not legal? No I did not. Are you trying to create a Strawman argument?

I'll add that if one crosses at an official border crossing and requests asylum merely to seek better economic opportunity then one should be immediatly rejected as that is not a legal reason to request asylum.

What is a "paster"

@Alienbeing my humble apologies. Typo amended

@Moravian I learn always wasn't plural, nobody told me that for years, thanks Alienbeing

@Moravian Typo? the "o" and the "e" are FAR apart on my keyboard. How can it be a typo?

Well said....and as a member of that social group "civilization", should have a "right", to be heard.

Well said, I agree. Too much of any extreme is no good, and liberalism is hardly to blame for all of the perceived evils in the world.