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A pastor told me today that he is sorry that I have not felt the love of god. Pastor, I am the one who is sorry.
I'm sorry you believe a god who does not seem interested in loving everyone.
I'm sorry you feel the need to apologize for this "all loving" creator.
I'm sorry your religion would have you believe people are incapable of loving each other without this watch-dog divinity.
I'm sorry your happiness in this life relies on hope of the next.
I'm sorry you can't see that we don't need a god to be good, or loved.
I'm sorry for all the wonder your faith would have you ignore in favor of fairy tales.
For all the confusion in doctrine.
For lies of zealouts.
For the guilt brought on by your own humanity.
For all the delusions your mind has been forced through fear to accept, you have my deepest sympathies.

Foxonaut 5 Dec 8
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Wow that’s a very nice response

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This is amazing! Thank you!

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I REALLY love this. Nicely done.

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I’m sorry that people waste so much time speaking with them.

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Pity them, brother, for they do not know what they are missing out on.

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Hit your pastor with some of these, quotations compiled by my co-author Barbara Walker, the renowned feminist. My book Pot Stories has five pages of this stuff.

It's more like a God of revenge. Some of the other quotes will shock you. There's other essays that will show how crazy the world is with this religious nonsense.

Gen. 22:2 - God accepts human sacrifices (including that of Jesus, later).
Ex. 15:3 - God is a god of war.
Ex. 21:15,17 - Anyone who strikes or curses a parent must be killed.
Ex. 22:18 - Every witch must be killed.
Ex. 22:19,20 - You must kill anyone who "lieth with a beast," or who worships any god other than Yahweh.
Ex. 31:15 - Anyone who works on the Sabbath must be killed.
Lev. 20:10,13,27 - You must kill adulterers, homosexuals, wizards, and spirit mediums.
Lev. 21:9 - Any priest's daughter who fornicates must be burned alive.
Lev. 24:16 - Blasphemers must be killed.

Take the third one. Millions of innocent people were tortured and killed during the Inquisition because of this one line from Exodus.

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Hallelujah
tell it preacher

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I pretty much agree with you. I was raised Lutheran, boy, did that go to hell. I think the bible is full of it, but I do believe there is an intelligence/knowledge behind the universe....which is really big. Yes, i have had spiritual experiences and I know there is life after death. We are part of a huge diode that keeps spinning and moving and we keep evolving, to something, I don't know where.

I think our lives are temporary and our only afterlife is a temporary (if you're lucky) hit of dopamine after death where you'll imagine something created entirely by your mind(death is a process just like life). If you push on an area of the brain you can provoke religious visions. A boy was born with pectoral muscles (and guess what adopted what's the chances you'd adopt a super-baby by chance?) but he's actually the sweetest thing and helps child-care workers during nap-time because he has so much energy but because he's literally as strong as kids twice his age some parents are scared of his natural advantages (He'd be 7ish now?). There is a family born that only feels pain momentarily (which actually leads to a lot of unnoticed injuries) and another with no fingerprints. I remember when I has a child my siblings and I looked very similar but we all look so different as adults. We're all unique and we have our own time on this planet and in the future different planets. I think no life is wasted, just not lived quite how the individual wanted.

@DragonDust I agree with you. It all fits in with what happened to me. I lost 14 years of my life "validating" my experience. My so called "career" went to hell.....but I lived. Still ended up being a software engineer at Motorola.....and always did music gigs. We are spiritual beings having a human experience. And you are right, out time is short. For myself, I do believe it is important to be a nice person.....it's all about L O V E!!! And it's about MOMs.......Moms rule.....

@DragonDust I basically agree with you, BUT.....I was just like you in 1994, well....after my experience, I asked 'them' to do something to prove to me they were real. Well, they did it. So it had nothing to do with chemical reactions.....dopamine....or whatever.......hallucination??? Well, I have some news for you.......This whole place is a hallucination.......HOWEVER, our souls, our beings, our consciousness.....well, it is something else.........My experience scared the piss out of me.....but there are a lot of testimonies on YOUTUBE......watch Dr. Alexander on YOUTUBE......WOW....his NDE really changed him. He is a Neuro-surgeon too, not dumb. You have to keep an open mind and be a little prepared for the next world, otherwise it all happens when you die!! Which is what my mother went thru, she thought there was nothing after you die. Well, you are in for a big surprise. It has nothing to do with the idiotic god they talk about in the Bible........most organized religion are a joke, just after your money and wanting to control you. I blend better with the atheist and agnostic than Christians (by the way, I met many atheists who met theirs Angels, I went to IANDS meetings for 10 years......met Dannion Brinkley there and Dr Raymond Moody)

@FlyingEagle1952 It is true that the reason we don't see a 'shaky camera' when we're looking around is because we're slightly behind in time imagining everything we see and putting it together. Our empathy can make us feel the effect of something that happened to someone else or phantom pains for legs that were cut off. So we do kind of live in our own simulation. When both your eyes are open you 'kind-of' look through your nose. What I imagine approximates to similar things that some only experience when under psychotropic drugs. But maybe that's adaption of epilepsy I don't know. Schizophrenics or people with Dissociative disorders (I know these are two very different things) can believe they are part something they aren't or think they are talking to god or an anime character or something but unlike us there isn't something there to differentiate the hallucination and the reality as both seem legitimately real in a not weird way. Our brain simulating what isn't actually there. We decide to do something well before the action and that can be shown in the brain. If neurons make sounds they sound a little like Morse code but a seizure sounds a little like a scream. Birds have hollow bones that help them fly. Lots of information out there and a lot of it will be unproven while a lot won't get peer reviewed but taken way out of control (e.g. - fat makes you fat won instead of sugar is what is related to all this weight gain and heart attacks, that falsified tiny study on the mmr vaccine still held up despite the surgeon losing his license for it and it getting pulled and the thousands of contrary studies).100 years ago we weren't washing our hands. 500 years ago we wared over spices not oil. All that information can be overwhelming though so find whatever interests you. If you find out your wrong, don't feel bad just learn more and think of it as expanding your mind by breaking through assumption.
I'm all over the place. To me everyone has whatever purpose they give themselves still I think of a quote from a youtuber...
Whoever you are and whater label/s you hold; know that it is only meant to describe you. Not define you. - I feel the same way with 'purpose'.

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I'm sorry for him living with the guilt of sin and fear of Hell.

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[meme in b&w of intense tux-clad guy clapping ferociously in an applauding theater]

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This post is brilliant , really I have nothing add it. I think of the concept of the Saviour dying for my sins, I ask myself the burning question how that relieve me responsibility

for my own actions

the human species is bright and curious we have great potential so says Carl Sagan

m16566 Level 7 July 15, 2018
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I'm sorry you spoke to a pastor. I stopped reading from that first sentence.

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Don't hate on those that believe in God, all men have struggled with understanding life. Some are not capable of comprehending more than the simplistic God narrative. Also if someone is taught that from a early age they can get locked it.

gater Level 7 Feb 6, 2018

I don't consider showing the same exact condescendence hatred.

@friendlycatlady or even half or one-third the condescension.

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That is a great statement Foxonaut!! They have followed the fine white line for their whole life and that would suck if I couldn't try kinda fucked up shit and test some limits!! My life is kind of a test that is still going after not normal shit!!

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Logic never works on these guys. I find that if you gently mock them, that helps.

Pastor: Have you met Jesus?
Ben: Of course, I'm dating his dad.

Pastor: I'm sorry that you've never felt the love of God.
Ben: I'm sorry that you haven't either. Or experience the love of Zeus, or gotten to kiss Eros on the mouth.

Pastor: You're going straight to hell.
Ben: Pastor, of all the ways I'm going to hell, "STRAIGHT" is not one of them.

Pastor: Jesus loves you.
Ben: Yah, but he's two thousand years old and still lives at home.

Pastor: Jesus sent me to you.
Ben: I'm not surprise, Heaven always did have it out for me.

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Great one.

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I'm curious, were You at church?

kuali Level 4 Mar 3, 2019
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I would have said, well that's only one of us.

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I hope he listened to you!

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Christianity is a sick religion. God creates us ill and command us to be well. He creates us sinful and demands we be virtuous. He creates us to hate ourselves and demands we work to achieve is love. He creates us rational beings and demands we suspend our reason to believe in the absurd.

You can never be happy or love unless you love yourself. Xianity prevents this from ever happening.

Okay, but saying we were created 'sinful' was for me not an optimal choice of words. Just me.

@Storm1752 That we are born is sin is an idea from Christianity, not my invention.

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"That's nice" is usually my reply.

my long winded reply is something along these lines,

"No that is alright, I have learned to love myself and all my flaws. I have learned to acknowledge and love the flaws of others. I put my love and energy onto improving myself and others, should they request it. Because I believe that we only have meaning to those in our lives and anyone, everyone else can fuck off."

Or something to that effect, the flavor and sauciness of the presentation depends on my mood at the time.

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Perfect. What else can be said ?

Jez3 Level 5 Feb 10, 2019
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