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POLL Incest: Immoral or Moral?

I was asked this question today by a theist. If there is no God why is safe sex between brother and sister immoral to an atheist? This guy was smart to add safe sex because it closed off my avenue to argue the health issue. So, I was thinking why is it immoral if it is consensual? I understand we find it gross but is that because of Christian influence?

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It depends. Children are definitely off limits. I married my first cousin and his ex-wife would tell his children that we were committing incest. According to North Carolina law, first cousins can marry but the woman has to be 'sterilized'. I had to get my tubes tied before I moved here because we knew we were going to get married. It never bothered me to tell someone we were first cousins but it upset him if I told someone. Kind of hypocritical I think. Our Spanish instructor in college told us that in European countries first cousins often marry and their children are born without any health issues or deformities. He was my second husband and we have since divorced for different reasons.

TheresaReid Level 4 Oct 23, 2017
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It isn't something I would do and I think it's icky but, so long as those participating don't have children, I don't care in the slightest.

PNEawf Level 3 Oct 22, 2017
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Not something that I support.

JeffBrown Level 4 Oct 21, 2017
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Well, it's not Christian influence that makes it gross. It's probably more of a cultural/societal influence. After all, there is plenty of incest in the bible.

I find morality to be defined by society. So, societal values would call this immoral.

Non-consent is always a problem... and I'm the sort of person who usually just tries to think about everything logically-- but on this... If we're talking about close family like father, mother, brother, sister, grandparent... my gut just says yuck. It feels wrong.

silvereyes Level 6 Oct 21, 2017
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just will not have sex with my daughter

RonaldJames Level 3 Oct 21, 2017
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Well the question should be on the theist really. Why his/her god allowed incest and malfunctions from it and why the female body produces pheromones after birth not to attract the son sexually while the father's body does not produces any sort of thing to repeal the daughter. It is not sounds very godly the whole thing does it? So it is moral as long love exists and not lust or rape or any other thing with babies etc

Lobster101 Level 4 Oct 21, 2017
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Ironically, in the Biblical worldview, incest is not only acceptable but is the very way in which our species has survived - twice. Adam and Eve, then Noah and his happy little family. Disregard the fact that such a situation is biologically impossible. Anyway, back to the real world.

Incest itself is neither moral nor immoral. It would be immoral for children to come from such a relationship, because inbred children have a very high chance of being born with a genetic disorder. However, incest itself is no more moral nor immoral than gay, lesbian, anal, oral sex or all the other kinky categories one can find on Pornhub.

JosephHarrison Level 2 Oct 21, 2017
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People keep saying that it's not immoral or moral. I would say gay sex is moral because it's two people enjoying a sexual act. Doesn't everything land in one of those two camps? At the very least if we say something isn't wrong isn't that the same as saying it's moral? Isn't morality a description of things wrong or not wrong? I open to being shown that I'm wrong.
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Taboo & Both.

It's commonly not consensual and, therefore, immoral.

It's also common that separated siblings find each other. If you don't honestly know, how could anyone claim it to be immoral.

mt49er Level 4 Oct 20, 2017
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Unless the couple are twins; one will be older than the other, there are issues with consent, age (being a minor), and perhaps specific circumstances could make it acceptable, but not "moral".

lourdesperez Level 1 Oct 20, 2017
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Immoral if there's a kid because then he/she is screwed for life. Moral if they are consenting adults with no consequence.

Mangoes Level 3 Oct 20, 2017
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As long as both are consenting adults then it isn't the business of anyone else. It might be distasteful, but not immoral.

OrmRich Level 3 Oct 20, 2017
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I believe that if both parties are consenting and their intention isn't to have children, it is moral. Like other commenters are mentioning, incest can lead to birth defects and gentic mutations that would lower the quality of life for the offspring. If contraceptives or other methods are used, I see no reason why two relatives couldn't have a prosperous relationship.

jadeb99 Level 3 Oct 20, 2017
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It is immoral, because it messes up the best family dynamics. Imagine a wife or sibling think they did not get treated properly in a family setting.

GregYohn Level 2 Oct 20, 2017
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An adult engaging in sex with his/her offspring is wrong, we all know the psychological effect of pedophilia and the high risk of genetic mutation.

pmechler Level 2 Oct 20, 2017
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It is immoral if it is in the context of pedophilia and or rape. If adults choose such a thing, the risk of genetic mutation from an offspring is too high. It is selfish and highly immoral to risk bringing a defective human being into a world that is difficult enough to navigate. If related adults want children there are plenty to choose from via adoption.

BrigittaCuadros Level 4 Oct 20, 2017
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WELL, SOMETIMES SAFE SEX IS NOT SAFE, NOTHING IS 100 PERCENT

ismeal Level 3 Oct 19, 2017
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Game of Thrones is pure fantasy but it's rife with incest. I lean towards thinking religion swayed everyone towards believing what they chose you to believe. Aside from that apparently incest is relatively common throughout history. The deformity debate is moot because two unrelated people can create deformity as well but not necessarily with a higher degree of chance. Takeaway the religious aspect and the deformity aspect add in consensual agreement and you have two people willingly having sex. There is nothing immoral about it.

SamL Level 6 Oct 19, 2017
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The act of "safe sex" between siblings can be problematic because there might me power relationships between them - but if they're in a relationship as equals, and if they're both old enough to give consent, I wouldn't see it as immoral/unethical.

MarcO Level 4 Oct 19, 2017
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we find it gross not because of christian values, but evolutionary protection. We mated long before there was religion, and family is more readily available than not, so if we didn't find it gross.. our genes would be corrupted and wouldn't propagate. I selected moral, because.. with the safe sex aspect there is no moral element to it. the immoral aspect would be to bringing children from the union, as they have a very high chance of genetic disorders.

countrygeek79 Level 3 Oct 19, 2017
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I do not think in terms of morality. I looked up that word in the dictionary and it said; "regarding good and evil". Evil can not be scientifically defined. It is an illusionial concept. I am more inclined to look at things as wise or foolish. So, I see nothing foolish about protected incestual sex.

ThomasMeador Level 5 Oct 19, 2017
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I don't think it is a question of morality. It has been in the most part a social prohibition aimed at preventing too much in-breeding. I a number of ruling elites incest was used as a means of keeping a tight hold on power, even though it often led to gross congenital deformities. I think that single generational incest, say between brother and sister, or even inter-generational as between mother and son, or father and daughter, then the odds of deformaties would be relatively low. So if the relationship was completely consentual then I don't see anything that society should fear.

Squirrellglider Level 6 Oct 19, 2017
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The idea that we end up with people like our parents and are like our parents should clearly demonstrate how much of our attraction to others and everything is caught up in our early relationships. I think that those relationships are important because they help us learn and understand power differentials and security. If your father put his arms around you and that where you felt safest and you want big, strong, manly arms around you, I think that 40 years later, if it is still important to you, there is still a power differential in that relationship and it’s an abuse of that power, inherently coercive, to engage in a relationship. By that same notion, siblings who are close in age are like their parents, but age at different rates, so the power dynamic in the relationship can change which may even enhance those feelings.

DJVJ311 Level 4 Oct 18, 2017
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Immoral because of the psychological effect, often there is one individual leading a stronger figure.

freethinker09 Level 4 Oct 18, 2017
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I would more accurately say neither as I do not believe it to be a question of morality. It is in most if not all cases only made to be immoral due to religious teachings

LeslieSanders Level 3 Oct 17, 2017
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objectively speaking it's completely neutral. most people find it gross because they're biologically programmed to, but that doesn't mean it actually harms anyone. consenting adults can do as they please, love is love.

ElijahStone Level 2 Oct 17, 2017
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