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What if you are wrong and there IS a god

Im atheist . And I get asked this often . Was curious to know other non believers answer to this . Without getting into to much detail my answer is simple. If I am wrong and im hell doomed for not believing then thats fine with me . Maybe hell is where I belong . Because there is just to many things in the bible itself I can't justify . Too many evilness . God murdered o don't know how many people including kids . He tortures gay people . Ect. I will not bow down before such an evil being . I also have questions for him as well. One being why has remain hidden ? Why did he leave behind no evidance of his existance? And even more confusing leave more evidence of him NOT existing and then throw us in flames for eternal torment for not believeing him ? If he does exist we have a mad man on charge and we should all be fearful of this lunitic . So send me to hell god because I would never follow you anyways

DavidDeLa89 6 Jan 9
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Honestly, I'm pretty well convinced that if there really is a God that it made us who and what we are. According to scripture if he didn't like how he made people he shouldn't have made them as willful as they are if he wanted them to follow. He should have made sure they were more resistant to the negative and destructive behaviors. I also feel that if one did exist, at least in accord with scripture, that it has turned it's back on this world a long time ago. If their is, I'm just as convinced it's a lot more about how people treat each other that matters more than if there is an ultimate fear of or love of this God.

As to the question, I generally tell them if they are right then God made me who I am, and it would be my business entirely what my relationship with and belief or lack thereof in such a God, and no business of theirs. I'd likely also remind them that they are violating their own religious tenets by butting in anyway so even if they are right they should be acting a lot more like it, stick to their own conduct and life and leave others alone.

AmyLF Level 7 Jan 23, 2018

Ya i really wish theyd just leave people alone the issue with that however is they truly believe they are saving people and themselfs because theyre doing good deeds an they will be rewarded . So they tend to thank thats exackly what there intended to do

@DavidDeLa89 That would take teaching everyone the basics in science and psychology from an early age with studies and evidence more fully explained as people age. It wouldn't hurt to learn how religions develop from an early age as well. Unfortunately most churches have a lot of wealth and control built into the system and will fight tooth and nail to keep such studies out of school and out of the public for as long as they possibly can.

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I give the simple, short answer.... if I am wrong , than that fucker is going to have a lot to answer for when I get there....

Lmao . Yep he deffidently had some explaining to do

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Valhalla sounds like much more fun than Heaven.

Ahhh but us women can’t meet ya in the great hall...🙂

I did not know that...can I change my mind....or better yet sneak out of the great hall with you?@HeidiBC

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I know many people who are absolutely convinced that they will go to heaven. If I had to spend eternity with most of them I think I'd be in Hell.

Hahaha. Thats right

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Then hopefully it will kinder than the gods in the imagination of humans.

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If there is a God and when I die I go in front of him..it... her... whatever it is.....and it says... you never believed in me so off to Hell you go... I would say... well you created me so you knew me before I was born and you also knew how my life would end up.. but yet you let me go thru this circus to just let me stand here and you get your jollies sending me to Hell....what kind of joker would do this????? This is not LOVE it’s a very sick minded GOD!!!!!!

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My favorite question. I can usually easily shut them up just by asking, "Which God?"

Lol ohhh I’ve done that .... and the butt hurt is terribly amusing🙂

@HeidiBC It usually is.

Im added this defense to my arsenal lol

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Well if it came to that . I would say to him you created everything including the horrible childhood you let me live though and the aftermath of being brainwashed.
You destroyed my freewill when it came to believing in you.
But you the all powerful, merciful god allowed this to happen. I was an innocent child and you did nothing.
In there are millions of innocent children you allow to suffer from sick demented minds to traumatize us . Sorry god you created the damage in my mind that is not reversible , it’s your doing and you should be held responsible for me and the millions that still suffer as we speak.

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If there is a God, he/she has a cosmic sense of humor.

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IVE BEEN DEAD FOR 6.4 BILLION YEARS and alive for 66 years, that's a lot of time for a sadistic bastard god to ferment in his own self righteous importance

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Then I would hope he hasn't got such a fragile ego that he would understand those who doubt his existence.

Hes a jelous god tho. Dont forget that

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It seems more reasonable to believe a just & fair god would not bother to give me the illusion of the freedom to choose if there was only one right answer to the question.

Or to look at it another way, if said god has any self-esteem at all, he does not require my belief nor my worship and should be ashamed of himself for ordering me (a la 10 commandments) to do so. This smug, capricious, fickle, selfish, narcissistic, jealous monster of a god isn't worth the thought.

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Stephen Fry gave the best answer I've ever heard to this question of what if God is real:

God is a monster, a maniac...

Agreed. It's the same argument, distilled, that Chris Hitchens made, and it holds out marvelously.

That is a perfect answer!!

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Which god? The god that watches as children die of cancer? The god that watches as a gunman shoots up its believers in a church, and does nothing to stop it? Why would I not only want to spend an eternity with a disgusting entity like that, but worship it as well?

Sethy Level 4 Jan 15, 2018
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I usually crack jokes about Lucifer being my BFF and He'll being BYOB in cases where religious folks try to scare me with threats of their abusive sky daddy. If I were to find that he was real, I'd slap him in his fucking face and Sasha my own self to hell with a she on mine. At least I'll be warm. 😉

Haha check out laveyan satanism . I think yoid find itd match up with your beliefs lol.

I'm everyone's BBF, technically... And home is rather cozy.

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Then when I meet Him I'll say "Oh shit, sorry mate. Come down the pub and I'll buy you a couple of beers and we're even, yeah?"

Jnei Level 8 Jan 13, 2018
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Personally i do not care...if there is no gwd, i will rest peacefully in oblivion, if there is some Gawd, I will spend a long time telling him/her/It exactly what I think of their "management style".

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if I'm wrong and there's a God I should just be judged on my actions not what I believe to be true. And let's face it I'm going to hell in every religion.

Me too!

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Several things come to mind starting with the concept of a god to begin with there are 507 different "gods" worshipped in this world today and thousands worshipped since the beginning of time. With so many to choose from which one is the right one to "pray" to is it the Catholic, Church of England, Buddha, Hindu, the trees, the sun there is a tribe on an island in the South Pacific that prays to a B-52 Bomber. But if I was an all powerful, all knowing, all merciful "god" I would certainly do away with the 506 others. Now this invisible man or being sees everything we do and hears everything we say and if we disobey any of his 10 "rules" he will condemn us to eternal fire, suffering, horrors, pain. But he loves us and needs money (thank you George Carlin). Another thing if the bible is the word of "god" what gave man the right to change it, Hmmm that don't make sense the Bible has been transcribed, rewritten, abridged, thousands of time depending who was king, pope, leader ETC.. it was originally written down by scribes hundreds of scribes and if one of them didn't copy it exactly as the original was written then every copy after that was wrong. BTW the original language of the bible was Aramaic (since that was the common language of the Middle East at the time) which was translated into Greek (but some Aramaic words did not translate so they were eliminated) then from Greek to Latin and again the same translation problem incompatible languages. and the same problems occurred when later the Greek or Latin books were translated into the different languages of the lands. But if there is a "god" My Bad looks like I made a mistake Like Bill Maher said well what do you know I was wrong

That segment of George Carlin's that you mentioned, is one of the funniest things I have ever seen!

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It makes no difference. If there is a god, I don't see why they would care if we believe or not. Most religions claim they are the one true path to god. At best, only one is correct. But since god and religion are made up by people, it is really a form of power and control to get people to conform to certain norms.

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I’m often the recipient of Pascal’s Wager, and whenever I’m asked, “What do you lose?” my response is always this: “You lose your soul.” And Christians are proof of that. When you give your life over to anything or anyone—you give your life away: including your conscience, your will, and your heart.

This is why they're so comfortable telling us that god loves us, AND he’s going to torture us forever just to show you just how much he loves us. Their god is an alcoholic father and their psychology is that of the children of alcoholics. When god is sober, he’s loving and kind and giving… but when he’s on a bender, it’s hell-fire and brimstone in the most torturous way. To
that end, most Christians suffer from post-traumatic stress syndrome because of it.

I am told often that "Christians are “loving,” and while I can partially agree with that statement, I ultimately come down here: they can’t be totally loving—not as long as they never call into question their god’s predilection to eternal torture, or his lack of concern to the suffering of humankind. Love does not torture, and love would not accept torture as a possibility. If a Christian has to convert me because they’re afraid I will be tortured, then there’s nothing loving about that… that’s fear, and naturally, that makes your motives suspect.

Keeping with the hell meme: a loving god wouldn’t send anyone to hell. The loving thing to do would be to send you back and make you do it again until you get it right. Therefore, if God were truly loving, he would reincarnate you, rather than torture you forever.

But ultimately I ask this question: “You show me one person—just one—suffering in hell right now, and I’ll consider your hypothesis.

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Again, which god? My favorite response to Pascal's Wager is

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The enity would say, "thanks for not judging and at least trying to fix stupid".

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If I survive after death then I will also be supernatural so I'll stir up a supernatural revolution and kick his supernatural ass and hold him to account for all the shit he's caused to life on the planet I love.

Failing that, at least I'll be bloody warm. It's freezing here tonight.

Ya ill meet u in the afterlife and well get all our supernatural entities amd try and over ride his ass lol

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I hear this one often too, and it annoys the hell out of me. Theists usually assume that either their specific god exists or does not, and that there is no other option. Clearly that's not correct, and it's equally plausible that a completely different god exists who will punish both the theist and myself for either not believing at all or for worshiping the wrong god.

That said, the Christian god, as I understand him to be defined, is logically impossible and I'm not worried in the least that I might be wrong about that one.

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