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What if you are wrong and there IS a god

Im atheist . And I get asked this often . Was curious to know other non believers answer to this . Without getting into to much detail my answer is simple. If I am wrong and im hell doomed for not believing then thats fine with me . Maybe hell is where I belong . Because there is just to many things in the bible itself I can't justify . Too many evilness . God murdered o don't know how many people including kids . He tortures gay people . Ect. I will not bow down before such an evil being . I also have questions for him as well. One being why has remain hidden ? Why did he leave behind no evidance of his existance? And even more confusing leave more evidence of him NOT existing and then throw us in flames for eternal torment for not believeing him ? If he does exist we have a mad man on charge and we should all be fearful of this lunitic . So send me to hell god because I would never follow you anyways

DavidDeLa89 6 Jan 9
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Then he'd better have some bloody good answers prepared.

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If god was proven to exist, it does nothing to change my opinion of such a being. If it fails to live up to its supposed benevolent nature, then it is undeserving of any worship or respect it or its followers so selfishly demands. Acknowledging its existence is one thing, condoning its poor communication skills and overall behavior is another thing entirely.

One can only hope that if a god did exist, it would be as far removed from anything human minds have conjured up.

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My answer: I can't be certain that someone or something didn't put this universe into motion. What I CAN feel completely sure of, is that the violent, petty, inconsistent, sexist gods invented by homo sapiens are not real.

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I believe if there were a higher being all that petty crap about Heaven and Hell would not apply. Also worship? What evidence of intelligence is there in wanting to be worshiped? What a waste of energy that could be spent on doing good.

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If there is a god, it certainly isn't one we've heard of. If there is one that IS certain, none of the alleged revelations contain wisdom or knowledge beyond man's. I am sure it would be an interesting (if not dangerous) meeting. I would be asking LOTs of questions.

I know that doesn't really answer what you asked, but...

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I been wrong before. End of the discussion.

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What if theists are wrong and find there is a god but it's not their God? Oops. Well, when you choose one God from about 3,000 invented human gods, let's face it, the odds aren't good.

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Very eloquently stated:

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I just point out that S/He is supposed to be pretty big on forgiveness, so I'll probably be let off the hook.

Jnei Level 8 Jan 9, 2018

Lol

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If there is God, he/she/it has a lot to answer for.

Thats what im saying

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Personally, I would have no qualms with that. I grew up Catholic, and entered college with the earnest intent to understand God. At not point did I think that I would become atheist. But by the time I graduated with my degree in religion, I no longer believed in anything. 10 years later, I am even more disillusioned with the idea.

If God is testing me to believe in something that I spent over a decade pursuing, yet it yielded no good reason for me to believe, then he/she/it is absurd. I can face God with a clear conscience. If that is how God operates, a being of that nature would not be worthy of my worship anyhow.

I used to really want there to be a God, but as I've grown older, I have changed my mind on that. There is a comfort with absolute freedom that I really enjoy. The air smells crisper, beauty becomes more beautiful, and my choices have more value. To live like there is no puppet master pulling any strings makes life a lot more exciting. So even if there is a God, at this point, I want to be left alone.

Especially loved your last paragraph, and totally in sympathy with the rest of your statement having had much the same experience.

I have come to disbelieve in the Puppetmaster; when I did, it was because I was TAUGHT each Sunday to "rely in God for everything and thank him for everything".

Then, I began to ask: If some do that, then what is the difference from that and BLAMING God for everything?

Both concepts encourage us to avoid accountability for our actions, laziness, and lack of ambition; to discourage us from Independant decision-making and following others blindly without critical thinking of our own. Hey, that sure worked for the Catholic church until the Age of Enlightment!

I can see your point.

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I could provide a detailed response, but I think it would be superfluous when Homer Simpson gave such a fine answer to this question:

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Lol. Never thought of it that way

Lol!

Excellent!
LOL

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I do not believe there is a God. If I am wrong and God does in fact exist then he was not concerned enough to let me know. If he is unconcerned about letting me know he exist, then neither should I be concerned with his existence.

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worry about your life

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I have been asked this and I would tell people that if they believe that god created me... then I was created perfect in his image. I ask them to affirm this. They have to do so... and then I say then I am groovy. If I was created by him, then he knows me quite well. 🙂 I have no fear of the mythical creator. If there is one, then he should be cool as he made me. I know I'm cool with me. 🙂

Be your own god 😛

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Then I am wrong.

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1 there is no rational or reasonable reason to think that there is anything supernatural in our universe. 2 anyone who sarts a sentence with ' If there is a god......' should be challenged with this question 'if there is a cyclops unicorn that created us.......'. 3 There is literally an infinite amount of things which are just as unlikely to be as true as things like god, or the cyclops unicorn. You will not have time to worry about all of them.

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I would use Ron Reagan's famous saying "I'm not afraid of going to hell."
That like is saying we seriously doubt existence of imaginary God.

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When asked this silly question I tell them is go and walk into the open arms of the dark Lord Satan because their God is a psycho.....then I giggle

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That depends. Which god?

any - all

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One religious person I once talked to said God wanted no evidence of his existence because then everyone would believe in him . So I said what’s wrong with that . He then said that God wants to test people’s faith in him without proof . I then said why didn’t he just create people with faith ,with out the ability to question it . He then came up with the answer all brainwashed religious people come up with when there is no logical answer which is ( you do not question Gods actions )

Ya this whole god thang just makes zero semse to me

Ah, the great 'mystery'

God gave us brains for a reason. If not, then God made a mistake. If God made a mistake, then he is not God.

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Lets say one day the existence of god is proven. That day I will say: "I was wrong, god exist." Period.

IAW, I was trying to say (without words) that if one day the NO existence of god is proven the believers will refuse to accept the evidence.

Due to the existence of Flat Earthers im starting to wonder if anything can be proven without a reasonable doubt, there will always bee those who say its blue when its red.

@DUCHESSA I'm a Christian, but if God were scientifically and incontrovrtably proven to not exist, I would have to change my thinking, obviously; however, I'd still live my life trying to practice the teachings of the10 Commandments 3-8, and the teachings of Christ regarding love, mercy, forgiveness, and NOT JUDGING OTHERS different from me. I wouldn't throw the baby out with the bathwater. There are many that believe Jesus was just a revolutionary rabbi with some good advice on life. I could live with that. I'm a lover, not a fighter, lol!

@Lewellyn33 Besides the fact that is obvious that you reason...are you aware the10 Commandments were not "" invented"" but appropriated by the Christian? They also stole many Pagan celebrations.

@DUCHESSA Oh yes! They were in the Ugaretic texts of the Syrians and Sumerians hundreds of years before Moses brought them down from Sinai. Many of Jesus' teachings are direct quotes from Aristotle and Socrates! I have notes somewhere that I traced which scriptures were first spoken by which Greek philosopher; there were several listed, but I can't remember where I put them for the life of me!

Much of the stories in the Bible were in earlier texts of earlier pagan religions, some archaeologists date back 500-1000 years before the Dead Sea Scrolls There are some scriptures very similar to the Phoenitians.

In Ugarit, ancient Syria and in the Caananite religion, Baal was only outranked by El, the chief God. But Baal ran all El's affairs and was called "king of the the gods" and "most high" in Ugaretic texts. Yet, in the Bible, Baal is the evil god. He was also called "prince, lord of the underworld" (zbl ba'al 'arts) in Ugaretic text. He becomes Baal Zebul, later Baal Zebub, associated with Satan in Jewish literature. Where most scholars agree there is association, they disagree on the precise etymological development and conceptual relationships between Baal ("lord and master" in Ugaretic and Hebrew) and Baal Zebub.

There is still uncertainty whether or not Baal had his own separate divine council like El, (and later, Yahweh had) serving as El's vice-regent.At any rate, El had an underling god named Yahweh, also known as El Shaddai. Supposedly, El divided up the kingdoms of the world (the world as they knew, not the entire globe) to minor gods to rule for him. Yahweh was assigned to the areas of Israel and Palestine today, along with Mesopotamia, a pagan land.

Abraham was a Mesopotamian, so he was most likely from a pagan family. When he was visited by Yahweh and told he'd be the father of many nations, Yahweh identified himself not as Yahweh, but El Shaddai. Some scholars believe Yahweh was a son of El, some believe they are the same god - even though in Psalm 82, Yahweh and El are clearly separate gods. Studying this is like going down a rabbit hole, or studying a family :thth but it has fascinated me for years. So, sorry for the rant!

@OrbitalResonance Yes! Flat earthers - now those people I just don't understand! I thought they were joking, at first!

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I'll take my chances, thanks.

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@DavidDela89... My answer isn't really all that much different than yours, although I've never been asked that by anyone. If any god were real yet did nothing while millions of innocent people suffered, starved, and were subjected to genocide then that god is evil. Any god that would not even protect children within that god's own church/temple and allow children to be sexually molested by priests is evil. Any god that would create horrible diseases and allow babies to be born with terrible physical deformities is evil.

And if a god created me and gave me the intelligence and reasoning to use logic and I determined for myself that god is not real, then that god made me that way. Any all-knowing god knows exactly what would be required for me to believe in him/her/it. No god has ever provided such proof that I would require, so god is therefore willfully allowing me to go to hell where I will be punished for eternity simply for being a rational person.

Very interesting

Exacly . I agree 100 % . If he does exist he set us up for failure

Very erudite reasoning you have there, Charles. I don't believe it, but simultaneously I can't prove my ideas are correct; but you've certainly given me something to think about! Got any furture writings on this?

When I have reasoned with people about this point, Charles, I have gotten the standard "it's God's will." That's the end of the discussion.

@poetdi56 If you or I were to walk past a child lying in a gutter or ignore a grievously injured person because we were "too busy" to stop we would be labeled as horrible people, cruel and heartless. If the Christian god does this, somehow it's perfectly fine because somehow these people were meant to suffer.

I suppose that makes sense to Christians but it doesn't work for me. Allowing pain and suffering to happen when you could EASILY stop it is characteristic of someone who is pitiless and immoral at best and utterly reprehensible and evil at worst. "It's God's will" is a pathetic and ignorant excuse for people who are unwilling to think for themselves.

Greek philosopher Epicurus stated...

Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?

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