No, I am not a Christian in disguise, but I have come across atheists as vehemently anti-spiritual as I have Christians on the other side of the issue. So, I would like to know: how convinced are you that there are no gods/order to the universe, and, further, how deeply does that inform your views of life itself?
100% certain there are not now, nor have there ever been, any gods.
No doubt whatsoever.
In addition to being an atheist, I am an anti-theist.
I think the universe is random AF, and I'm okay with that.
I think life is a total crapshoot. Okay with that, too.
I think long-term plans and goals are a waste of time, and most people would be better served by being much more flexible and willing to adapt.
We create most of our own problems through unrealistic expectations and not knowing how to deal with the disappointment that comes from that.
Most of us haven't accepted that we cannot control anything but our own actions.
We set ourselves up for unhappiness and refuse to accept responsibility for not thinking ahead to the most probable outcomes.
Whether or not there are gods have nothing to do with order in the universe. Christian philosophers bring up this magnificent order as proof of thier god all the time. The reality is, the universe is constantly changing with entire galaxies being eaten up by other ones.At closer look, it’s actually quite chaotic.
Humans have used religion to keep people in constant fear and to explain the unknown. There are no gods of any kind now or at any time in human history. I’m 100% sure of that. I will always believe in fact not fiction.
I don't subscribe to fairy tales of any sort. I believe that there is one simple, elegant law that guides the universe and explains everything. Occham's razor says that when there are multiple explanations for a phenomenon the simplest is usually (I think nearly always). The supernatural is never the simplest explanation.
To quote Tim Minchin: "Throughout history, every mystery ever solved has turned out to be Not Magic! (the emphasis and exclamation point are mine.)
For me it s not a question of being convinced as if there were a argument going on somewhere - There is only this here and now and - I never had a god I have never ever felt a need for a a god and for the full 70 years of my life i have been without a god - It snt about being convinced its about getting a life= I don't care/mind if people want/ need a god in order to have a life .I just don't I really enjoy living my life the way it comes to me.
I am agnostic in that everyone is; no one has absolute knowledge of everything outside our limited window in time. I am atheist in that I am also 200% sure the abrahamic god, nor the pantheons of greece/rome or india, nor any other specific god we’ve ever heard described could possibly exist as claimed. There’s all kinds of order to the universe but no evidence of a sentience to it. The aspects of order we do find are rather like throwing a dart and then drawing the target around it. It only has order and significance that we’ve manufactured for it.
I'm sure the old bearded patriarchal god does not exist. I'm not sure about an Eastern-type god, cosmic consciousness and all that. I'm not happy about the loss of eternal life. I'm not happy that the only meaning in life is the meaning I put into it. But I must be realistic and find meaning however short-lived it must be. And I do.
Okay, I'll swing the other way. I am 1% convinced there are no gods or deities. The Romans had them, the Greeks had them, the Babylonians had them. A long pedigree of intelligent, Empire building cultures there. Did they do it without offering favour to the gods? Doubt it. Did they bring divine retribution to their enemies? Of course. Looks like plenty of evidence that the forces of nature or whatever they were looked after their own. Alexander, Trajan, Ashurbsnipal all forces to be reckoned with. Would you tell them that their gods didn't exist because the Big Bang says so?
My life is proof enough there is no god. I'm 100 % certain that there are no deities and science proves that big bang created the universe and not god. Imaginary things can't create anything at all. I'm so glad I saw the world for what it is when I became an atheist 5 plus months ago. I'm a little embarased that I was brain wash for so many years and wish I would have broke free of it earlier in life. Now I can be myself more in public.
"How convinced are you?" Based on this post, I remain unconvinced, if not, unimpressed.
Point 1: What you call ‘anti-spirituality’ is not congruent with unbelief, or atheism.
Point 2: The level of one’s conviction (i.e. ‘how convinced’ one may be) might appear important, but this metric can vary. One day a true believer may have deep doubts about the existence of God, while at the same time an avowed atheist may wonder if there is a grain of truth in those ancient belief systems.
Point 3: Order in the universe and the existence of gods or a deity do not mean the same thing. Order, which is inherently subjective, could arise naturally.
Point 4: Your question, ‘how deeply does that inform your views of life itself?’ is not answerable. Seriously? How deeply? Life itself? One may as well answer, “the number 42.” Your question is in line with what Daniel Dennett has labeled a ‘deepity,’ which is to say, a statement [or, in this case, a question] that appears profound, but actually asserts a triviality on one level and something meaningless on another.
Can you explain a bit what you mean by "gods"? I'm not being intentionally difficult, but my answer very much hinges on what is specifically meant by "God" or "gods," e.g., what characteristics would be necessary or sufficient for such a being. Also, I think I need a bit of help with "order to the universe" because, from what I can tell, there is obvious order in the universe (as opposed to utter chaos) so I'm guessing I'm missing your meaning. Also, while we're at it, can you tell me what you mean by "spiritual" in the context of some atheists being "vehemently anti-spiritual"? Do you just mean denying a metaphysical reality, or is there more to it. (I know I'm being a pain, and I apologize; I just don't think these questions can be satisfactorily answered without some clarity on terms that are often used nebulously.)