Are Immigrants Ruining America?
I don't think it's the immigrants ruining America, Americans seem to be doing just fine on their own!
*Not all Americans. The ones that hate, fear, value their religious "rights" over human rights, the ones hungry for money and devoid of tolerance.
Last year an article appeared in the Atlantic Monthly [theatlantic.com]
We need an open and honest discussion (free from vitriol) on this subject because both sides tend to take the extreme route and are therefore wrong. It should not be about closing the door and nailing it shut nor should it be about ripping the door off of it's hinges (this later one is insane and will destroy us). Immigration should not be about people and emotions. It should be based on an evidence, reasoned policy that is sustainable environmentally and serves all including the immigrants themselves.
Some know that I was once an emigrant to another country and did it legally. My late partner was also an immigrant and she went the long, arduous path toward getting legal status for 4 people. She worked in an international school in Seattle (in which 150+ languages are spoken) and between the 2 of us we learned more about this issue than most. It is too easy to brand people who ask questions as 'racist' and laud those who support it unconditionally. That is wrongheaded and only polarizes people and the issue.
Ok first off, Indians are from India, it's Native Americans or whatever. Using Indians to refer to Native Americans is ambiguous at best. Clearly no one who used that term has worked in tech where there are lots of Indians and very few Native Americans.
Our country was built on immigration, it is part of the fabric of America. All of us are immigrants or descendants of immigrants except for Native Americans or Native Alaskans. Generally speaking, only old white racist christians are against immigration. Like Trump, no brown or black people, but white Europeans are fine.
Who are your doctors, your research scientists, your IT people? Lots are immigrants. They may have come from poverty but the worked hard to get here and even harder to stay in the face of discrimination. Who is willing to pick your crops for low pay? Immigrants almost exclusively.
Should we have a strong vetting process to weed out likely terrorists? Of course.
Stupid ignorant racists are ruining America, not immigrants.
Unless one is a descendant of a Native American tribe, Isn't everyone an immigrant. Diversity is good and the immigrants are successful and have a high drive to succeed. They see the opportunity in this country and what they left behind. A lot of people who were born here do not know what it is like to live in a country without rights and opportunities, and an education. The do not take the freedom that this country offers for granted. I am an immigrant and I came to this country when I was eleven years old and I Appreciate the opportunity given to me and I give back every chance that I get.
Yes, we are. We are taking all your jobs, like apple picking and dairy farm tending and canning factory working and leaving the hard working American underclass in the dust. Does it sound like I am making fun of the issue. No, I am not. This year, my county, the forth largest apple growing county in the US will have no Mexican, no Jamaican and other migrant workers from so called shit- hole countries to come and pick fruit, and no local, real American will work in the orchards.
By the way, I am an immigrant, but thank goodness, I am almost from Norway and really white.
Well you can add to that... for years in the american dance world... it been immigrants winning the championships and representing us in the world. Why? Because why junior is learning to play football... Igor is taking ballroom private lessons in a studio. And when junior realizes he is not college football material... Igor is already a professional dancer earning a living and competing at national level if not world class.
One big aspect of the immigration question that we never hear of and one which is especially relevant to our group is the number of immigrants sponsored by religious groups. When I was working there were 2 Cambodian siblings in the admin staff. They were brought here by the Mormon church (but could care less about this religion). One took a western name (Denise) and the other kept his name (Su Yet).
One case came up that was unbelievable so please bear with me. My late Partner, Parvin, was an elementary school teacher. One day while on playground duty she spotted a little African-American boy who seemed lost and was not with any of the other groups. She went to him to find out who he was. He spoke little English so she took him to the principals office to see if they could help. Later he was brought to her and told he was her new student but she refused to take him unless there was more information about him. It turned out he had an older brother (18) who spoke English and was the family spokes-person so a meeting was set up with the child's family. That evening the brother, father and a pregnant woman carrying a baby was also present. A church had sponsored the family and when they got here the father was told this child needed to go to school. He saw a school bus picking up children so he told his child to get on the bus and go to school! It also turned out (and I am NOT kidding) the family was from Africa and true to that culture the father had multiple wives (4) and 32 kids!! Since it is illegal to have more than one wife the paperwork simply said 1 wife and 3 family members. The pregnant woman was simply one of the wives and who knows whose baby she was carrying. When certain groups are looking to expand their numbers there is all manner of abuse. Immigrants are often victims of unscrupulous people/organizations and religious based one are often the worst.
I certainly don't think that immigrants are ruining America. I do, however, think that we have to have a reasoned immigration policy. Although I dream about a word without borders, I know the world won't be ready for that in my lifetime or my son's lifetime or probably the lifetime of any children he may have. We should welcome anyone who wants to come here and work, get an education, raise a family, and assimilate. That last part is the most important. There are liberal democratic principles that people coming here need to embrace. We can't tolerate people coming here and espousing intolerant ideologies.