There are essentially three types of conservatives, IMHO.
The first usually belongs to the rich conservatives. As long as they get their way in creating more wealth for themselves, it really doesn't matte what else goes on. They will encourage whatever religious and/or libertarian ideology (or portions thereof) that fits with their profit-motives.
The second and the third belongs to the rest of the conservative class. In here, the second is usually not present, unless as a troll. That leaves us with the third one: the libertarians.
The libertarians are deeply in infatuation with "the individual," and this is simply based upon their belief that this world is essentially "competitive" in nature: it is up to the person to protect himself (and his immediate loved ones) from the reality that is harsh and brutal. In this world of dog eats dog and everyone for himself, they value strength and independence the most, and distrust anything that smacks of "communal value."
I've once witnessed a father telling a young boy in a store that he [the son] must understand that he has to be strong and not show weakness, because if he shows weakness others would take advantage of it. A very libertarian value. This becomes their self-image.
This core belief about "everyone for himself/herself" leads them to swallow many other b.s. that the first class of conservatives feed them: 1) government regulation bad; 2) if you are poor it's your fault; 3) anything that creates communal value is communism, and therefore evil.
They are quick to criticize any worldview that promotes cooperation, trust, peace, organized or otherwise collective action, promotion of communal value above the individual values, as either being naive (pollyanna), weak (snow flake), or evil (socialism!).
What they do not realize is that their worldview is ultimately a self-fulfilling prophesy. This worldview is so ingrained in their self-image, no other facts or evidence would change their mind. In fact, for the libertarian male mindset, this changing of mind would constitute the demasculinization. This also promotes the fetish of the masculine.
What a horrible world they live in.
@KenChang Making generalizations usually winds up making an only a partially correct statement. I have considered myself a Libertarian for decades. I do feel the world is competitive in nature, and if you don't I'd love to hear why you don't. I do not believe is everyone for him or herself, as collective effort is needed for many things. I do believe the individual is responsible for him or herself. I believe some Gov Regulation is needed, some is not, the devil is in the details. Why you say Libertarians think any view promoting trust, peace or collective action is naive is really a mystery to me. Basically we want to be a free as possible. We realize freedom to do anything we want to do cannot exist along with any society.
Religious/Family Value conservative.
This is one I really have a problem with from the Atheist standpoint as well as the Christian overlords. The "values" Christians have is not their own. These things have been well documented by those who have mastered shredding the Christian talking points. If their values are not their own, then why are they dismissed so readily as Christian values.
Why are some of "their values" actually good things? They are lessons humanity has learned over tens thousands of years. The downfall of the values was being co-opted by a mechanism of control. Does that mean those values presented have no merit? I think not. It just implies one must seek answers on why the values were held important in the first place. Ignorance? Maybe. But maybe not. One shall never know if he/she does not even explore the concept.
"The libertarians are deeply in infatuation with "the individual," and this is simply based upon their belief that this world is essentially "competitive" in nature:"
The world is deeply competitive. Nature is competitive from single celled organisms to the big cats of Africa. Humans are an exception to nature? I think not. We have competition through history. From light hearted nature of sports/athletics. To cruel domineering of the Roman era and the games they had. To claim that humans have no ground( or to deny) in competition is foolish at best.
"they value strength and independence the most, and distrust anything that smacks of "communal value."
When communal value is not congruent with common sense. Communal value gets denied.
That's a VERY good analysis of Conservatives sir. If you wrote this yourself, I truly applaud your intellect. Your points are well thought out. Your classification schema is a precise summary.
I'd say that there is a fluidity between types 1 & 3 as I'd fall somewhere in those groups. I can't speak to the religious conservative definition. I think your comments right up to this being a "horrible" world are an accurate reflection of Conservatives. I find my world to be spectacular. As do my Conservative friends. We like it here.
True, I'm not fond of any kind of conservative. I've had bad experiences with all of them. sometimes the Libertarians are worse than Evangelical Christians. Without exception, almost all conservatives/Libertarians are extremely pro-military and support a massive plethora of benefits for those serving in the armed forces. without exception, everybody else in a their country can go fuck themselves.
Working class people who vote conservative should just pass the wealthy a pot of lube and ask them to be gentle.
Libertarians are just right wing anarchists, and they're just as deluded. They are completely unaware that it is the very structure they oppose that provides them with a safety net for their fantasies.
you sure have a fairy tail way of looking at the world. While some of that may be kind of true, for the most part it isn't really.
Your mostly going on about how everything is everyone else's fault. Then trying to put A lable on it. I use to be like that, then I started seeing the would for what it is. An unfair brutle world.
Libertarians want the same thingsfor others as they would want for themselves. More libertarians give to charity than any other affiliation.
Ken, not all fiscal conservatives fit the description you gave...many who have been successful have used their wealth to donate to causes that would not get funded otherwise, such as art and music. Many volunteer or support charties in their own communities as well. While they might have profited from a more "republican" platform, they don't necessarily support the inequities and see the pitfalls of rampant greed...in which case, money to support other political platforms can be donated to support those beliefs...I think we have to be careful whenever using the implied "all" to describe people.. "many" or "most" might be a better description.