Trouble is that two people can believe that their opinions are supported by evidence, facts and data, but yet be in complete disagreement.

@WilliamFleming I do not concern myself with what other's opinions might lead them too. I can only perceive truth and reality through my senses and my brain and no one else's. That is where you do you, I do me and let's strive to do or cause no harm comes into play.

@WilliamFleming it is hard to deal with people who believe their opinions are supported by facts when you know a couple of things, namely 1. that you yourself are fairly well grounded and not delusional and 2. you remember what you personally observed and 3. the "facts" the other party believes support his/her opinions are known to you, not through bias but through those observations and a good grip on history not to be facts at all.

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@genessa Well of course from your perspective all of your “facts” are totally true.and your opinion is the correct one. Why else would you have such a firm belief?

No one person has the complete picture however, and all opinions are shallow in an ultimate sense because of human limitations. Otherwise we’d all be in agreement all the time.

Which of your opinions are you talking about? From my perspective your opinion might be right on the mark.

@WilliamFleming yeah, yeah, we might all be dreaming or part of someone else's dream, right? but setting THAT aside, there ARE facts. i didn't have anything specific in mind but let me dredge one up. okay, here's one. in 1960, senator john kennedy motorcaded through my then-hometown of levittown, new jersey, and my dad lifted me up to reach out to jfk's outstretched hand. we connected. i know that for a fact. i was there. so if someone insists that jfk was never in new jersey, and truly believes that, and dismisses my memory as either deception or delusion on my part, should i say, well, maybe they're right? i know what i know! likewise, everyone knows he was shot and killed on november 22, 1963. so if someone says no, he wasn't, and gives some other date, or some other method of death, or says jfk is still alive, shall i admit they MIGHT have a point? if you argue with every known fact in the universe, you'll be pretty busy! sometimes, though, you didn't touch it with your hand or see it yourself on your tv. sometimes you have to use your experience, your prior knowledge, your logic, to figure out what and whom to believe. the new york times makes mistakes on occasion; it doesn't LIE. breitbart lies. it's lies have been busted again and again. so when you meet someone who cries "fake news" about the nyt and believes everything breitbart farts, is that partisanship influencing your opinion, or is it prior knowledge, logic, experience and just plain not being a moron?

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@WilliamFleming or here is another one, of a different sort. i see people declaring that no president has EVER been disrespected, bullied and picked on as much as trump is. now, people are entitled to their opinions, but i have SEEN videos of the rodeo clown dressed as obama being "raped," and pictures of obama lynchings in effigy, and michelle obama portrayed as a gorilla, and more. the worst i've seen regarding trump is that set of statues showing him with no balls and the big baby trump balloon in... was it england, france or both? anyway, that. so which is worse? a matter of opinion, but maybe most folks would agree that portraying someone lynched is worse than portraying someone as an infant or even ball-less, which, after all, is a comment, not an expressed intention (no one was threatening to castrate trump). if you add it all up, you can reasonably dispute the declaration. it's opinion based on a bit of amnesia.

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@genessa That’s a beautiful story about JFK and I’m sure it’s a special memory for you.

So far as old DT, I hardly know what to think of that guy. I keep telling myself that after all, he was elected and as a citizen, even though I didn’t vote for him he is still our president and just maybe all those voters who elected him knew what they were doing. It’s all subjective.

I was appalled at the way Republicans in Congress treated Obama. Obama was my man and still is. But two wrongs don’t make a right. Now the mainstream media seem to have lost their minds. I can’t bear to read the news anymore.

Anyway, that’s just my opinion.

@WilliamFleming but the voters did not elect him. the voters elected hillary clinton. the electoral college, which is skewed horribly (and that was, believe it or not, because of AIR CONDITIONING! long story, but it's true!) appointed him.

the media are not treating trump horribly. he deserves to be treated horribly but the media are only now starting to treat him fairly (in other words, with the treatment he deserves). they WERE more or less kissing his ass. it was literally years before they could bring themselves to use the word "lie." calling a lie a lie, calling a liar a liar, isn't wrong, so there is no second wrong here.

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@maturin1919 Incorrect to believe means to accept as true without investigation, evidence, or proof, the only thing worse is Faith which is to accept something as true in spite of investigation providing a lack or contrary to evidence, truth or proof.

@maturin1919 No because if you believe something WITH evidence you don't believe it you KNOW it.

Have one for me...dry January grrrr

Are those Corgis? They melt my heart?! love dogs more than human babies.

@Jaed Yes they are and up top is our shitzu and rottadore ?

Odd, that.

@MissKathleen
It’s at least one of my answers. ?

You’re right. The word “belief” has more than one meaning.

Does Donald Trump really exist then ? I thought he was just something you Americans made up.

@Fernapple I wish.

@Fernapple i have been told i am a creative person but i do not write horror so i know i did not make trump up. if i didn't know he was real i would think he was too evil to exist. even hitler actually believed in what he was doing, evil as that was. trump doesn't believe in any of it, except as it pertains to his own personal comfort.

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@genessa I made the funny of course because it does sometimes, at least from here, seem that Trump is more like a Walt Disney creation than anything else. Yet I have always though that there were two sorts of evil doing people. The Hitler type who may be mad and quite without compassion, but who really believe that what they do is for the best. And the Stalin type who know that they do harm, but still keep doing it anyway, because they are content to be selfish.

I hope you slept well last night and that I did not contribute to keeping you up too much.

@Fernapple lol i slept badly as usual but you were not the least bit responsible for that. oddly enough, what i see and say here does not get carried away from the computer. i am sure there could be exceptions but so far.... no. now if you (or anyone) phoned me at some ungodly hour (such as before noon) i'd be furious! no matter what time it was, it would be just as i was finally drifting off, you know? (and it's usually a recording, or a scammer, or a recorded scammer!)

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Yah, I don't get that either