as an atheist, i find the idea of Satan appealing. i know this is preposterous. however, i got this idea after watching "hail Satan" a documentary about a group of secular nonbelievers who found it necessary to have the statue of Baphomet next to the wall where the ten commandments is. their claim was: "atheism is boring, you need something more challenging"!. i am pretty sure that they don't believe in Satan as an actual existing figure but rather a figurative approach as it opposes the christianized nation, and the need to re balance the overall image of the country and that is a secular nation according to the founding fathers of America. it also appeals to me. but i would like to hear some random opinions about this topic.
Ave Satanas.. Hail Satan.
Mine is not opinion, in so much as it's what I've learned researching the Satanic Temple. They are a non-theistic organization that sought to be classified as a religion to promote the separation of church and state. The Baphomet statue was an example. Their point was one religion can't receive special treatment; so if bible bangers can put up symbols of their faith on public property, Satanists must be afforded equal recognition.
Anyway the Satanic Temple is a great concept, and I love the seven tenents of the Satanic Temple.
The same word can mean 3 different groups.
The "real" satanists who really worship Satan as a supernatural being
The Philosophical satanists that uses Satan as a symbol of rebellion, freedom that generate a more spontaneous and instinctive way of life (that can come with or without supernatural and spiritual touch)
The "lets use the symbol that goes against the main religion" atheists, that use this name to oppose Christianity as a political force without any real supernatural touch. Most of these guys use the equivalence of religion to nullify any attempts of Christians to take over public spaces
Every time that I see some reference about satanists in posts is the 3rd type, but people insist in commenting about the first and second.
My opinion is that the way the laws are written you need a "religion" to fight against other religions, because using the metaphor of a TV station. Only TV stations are regulated, the "off channel" have no regulations or protections.This is the equivalent of creating a channel that transmit a black silent screen the whole time so people can have no TV in a world that only give rights for people that watch some channel.
Until the laws are re-written in a way that the right to not have a religion is n the same level as the freedom of religion, this "anti-religions" will be needed. Plus they show how easily is to abuse this freedom and equivalence.
I say that I am a Pastafarian and I am amused when by any logical system and (should be reflected in) laws, the flying spaghetti monster have the same legitimacy as any "mainstream" mythology (that should be none...)
Satanists did not:
While the Bible never claims that the serpent in Genesis is Satan (which isn't really even a name, but I digress), Christians have interpreted it that way for… a while. I don't know all the history behind it. But anyway, the serpent in the garden is the only honest character in that entire interaction. God straight-up lied, Adam tried to shift the blame, Eve was either ignorant or naive or both, but the serpent told the truth. So if Christians insist that the serpent is Satan, then I guess I'd have to be a Satanist, because I'd rather be honest than lie to achieve my goals.
Ugh...no. I have more respect for actual believers than Satanists. I dunno why. Maybe it's because the Satanists appear to have simply readopted religion and attached a contrary figure within the faith, perhaps just to spite their Christian community. A contrarian fake religion? Gimme a break...
I suspect that most Satanists are from deep Christian families and schooling and this their way of stating their rejection of Christianity...but they still really like the rituals and spiritualism of Christianity and are likely fascinated with and attracted to evil and dark things. Or atleast what they think are evil and dark things. To me its mostly sad nonsense.
Maybe its because I dispise religion, and Satanism is just people who want religion but have no faith...or at least say they don't...but maybe they do but are afraid to admit it?
I can't fathom why anyone would want to pretend believe in Satan. Trying to piss off your parents? Trying to be a badass? One of those people who think dressing in black and practicing occult is "edgy"?
Whatever it is, it's dumb. And feels disingenuous. More dumb and disingenuous than actually believing. Atleast the believing person is being genuine.
Research satan not as a proper name but as satan mean adversary. If you are opposed to someone then you are there satan.
Nowhere in the Old Testament does Satan appear as a distinctive demonic figure, opposed to God and responsible for all evil. In 3 cases the ..
The Hebrew name Satan (pronounced SA-tan) actually means “adversary,” and most often in the Hebrew Bible it is prefaced by the direct ...
After watching season 15 of "Supernatural" I wonder how their depictions of Biblical characters affect viewers especially younger folks. After all Chuck (god) is a real asshole. Lucifer isn't much better but it does make jest of all of them. Usually a lot of the demons are more likable than the angels. I really hoped Chuck would get wasted but it ended as a hanger and there are teasers of either another season or a one-off episode. I would like to see an ending. A lot of folks have followed this 15 season series faithfully and I would guess it has made a lot of people view the Biblical characters in a completely different light.
I agree, and I have sometimes used the Satanic angle, or Atheist angle just to mess with people who are christians, despite the fact that I am an Agnostic. Funny thing is, christians will attribute all that is wrong with the world with Satan, when you would be hard pressed to fill a football stadium with the actual Satanists that live in the USA, or the world for that matter. Additionally, usually what is wrong with the world has a lot more to do with the christians that it has to do with anything else, they are the ones with the most people in government!
Satan as we know him today is part of god belief coming through a twisted and long road system to be what modern Christians want. This does not interest me because nothing is factual in the bible. At one point we have Lucifer, the light bearer, and a little evolution brings him around into a popular TV series character called "Lucifer." I think he is a cop in this one but I have not watched a single episode and could not care less.
I consider the 7 tenets to be almost as good as the 3 laws of robotics.
I really enjoyed that documentary, and I fully support the stated goals of the satanic temple. I'm also all for sticking it to overbearing theists. However, I feel like there could be unintended consequences of their good intentions. For instance, I posted recently about tst's [Religious Abortion Ritual][patheos.com] If it could be used to overturn states draconian anti-abortion laws (like fetal heart beat), that would be awesome, but I remember someone commenting that as written it could be used against abortion clinics also.
There is of course an organization in the US who purport to be satanists in order to protest religious privilege. As a supporter of religious tolerance I'm happy to tolerate their religion. Since I object to religious privilege then I should object to their exercise of religious privilege, but of course they exercise that privilege ironically to demonstrate their own, similar objections. I'll take that on a case by case basis.
On the whole I find them entertaining but I remain to be convinced that they're doing me any favours.
There also people who do believe in satan and believe that the stories in the bible written by the winners portray satan unfairly. Or at the very least there's at least one person who drank at the Dublin Castle who claimed that's what he believed. He and by extension anyone who believes the same would in my view be somewhat of a twat. Firstly they appear to be attempting to treaty with a being billed as the prince of lies. Secondly their existence adds unwarranted validity to the hysterical claims often being made regarding satanic groups.