There are a number of outspoken feminists in the atheist community who have written articles and posted videos outlining some very negative sexism they have been subjected to at conventions and other events. I have some opinions on this, but I would like to learn what other women on this site have discovered or experienced.
My experience has been that atheist men are more apt to hide it better. Being brought up in a patriarchal society where male’s are taught they are superior to female's right from birth, what else can they believe. Both women and men play a role in all this. I have found that even men who say they are for gender equality, as partners they usually don’t measure up as a true partner. Men want gender equality when it can benefit them to some degree. Of course, not all men, (tongue in cheek).
I had not been here long when I was roundly criticized by both a woman and a man who identify as liberals for expecting the use of gender-inclusive language. I blocked him then or since and have little regard for her. The objectification of women's appearances is another example of sexism practiced here. And just imagine the misogyny practiced in the Conservative Atheists group!
I had hoped for more.
I don't do polls except my own, but I have found that atheist men speak as if they are feminists but are less so in their actions. They do not have confidence in the ability of women to lead. To manage situations. That if a woman can do the job it some how denigrates the job. But I have found it less so recently as in the last 10years. The new generation has grown up with women's competency & are less narrow in their views of actual equality. Women generals, pilots, truck drivers, Governors, Speaker of the House. Competent. Seeing it in reality makes it more so. I had to win the boys over by never playing the menstrual card. They used to call me "Mighty Mite". I had to win over veterans who saw combat.
Never let 'em see you sweat. No whining if one is a woman. Evolution like justice is slow.
Most men are quite sexist no matter what beliefs they have. It is quite ingrained in the culture and upbringing of men.
A man has to take an extra step to think and act beyond how the culture expects them to act. Most men are not willing to put forth that effort.
Having said what I have just said, I do not think a man is sexist just because he disagrees with a woman on a topic. What makes it sexist is the manner in which he expresses that disagreement. In other words, we can not all think or agree all the time, but we should try to express our disagreements respectfully. Needless to say, this idea is rarely done on this website. I confess that I write disrespectful responses way too often. Yes, I will try to reduce this.
OK, since I have some peoples attention can we get personal and can I get an assessment from those who have read my posts. Do not worry about hurting my feelings as I have asked for it. I an really curious how I come across as I do not work on any agenda or set of perceptions other than what I have put forth. Be honest, please.
I can't speak for everyone , but of the people I've met , it seems to me , men and some women want it both ways . Men seem to want women to do the greatest part of both holding a job , but she should be paid less than him . She should be responsible for the monumental portion of taking care of the family , after she gets home from her job , while he sits in front of the TV , but she should worship him for any miniscule thing he does . She should be willing to let go of the family that raised her , and move to where ever he lives , while he can't live without daily conferences with his Mommy . Personally , I would prefer to honestly respect the man I'm with , but they seem determined to make that as difficult as possible . It's hard to respect and trust someone who lies to you . It's hard to love someone who's goal in life seems to be to ridicule you no matter how much good you accomplish , while he isn't accomplishing anything . For instance , I was helping my husband working at a second job and was critized when I got home , because the employer greatly complimented me , which my husband claimed , made him look bad .
It’ 2022, and a shame that some of these behaviors still exist, same for racism, ageism and any other ism you can name. I would hope we’ve made some progress, but civil rights is only 50 years old and and these beliefs have been ingrained for generations. It’s good to bring these out in discussion and civil debate. Maybe, just maybe some of us old bucks can learn something….
I can't understand how the vote is turning out the way it is. You do all know that religious people all over the country are trying to turn women into forced fetus incubators, right? What the fuck is happening right now to our ability to compare and contrast?!?
In the beginning of my social atheism (joining groups/clubs/online communities) I thought I would naturally find less neanderthal types but I was sadly wrong. I thought logic dictated that anyone who sought out reason in being skeptic about religion would be skeptical of all types of indoctrination. No. I do think I understand one reason for the sexism though, it's the previous religion habit. They may have given up god beliefs but they haven't given up the power of being the top of the pyramid socially, culturally and financially.
Most non-feminist men fear equality because they fear females in power will treat them as they've treated women all through history.
If I may offer a man's perspective. If not, I will anyway. A lot of women (most on this site excluded) are religious and don't see themselves as equal to men. So it's not just about how men treat women but it's also about how women treat and view themselves. If a woman sees herself and shows herself as equal to a man in her abilities then she's equal in my eyes. If a woman sees herself as beneath a man then that's how I view that woman.