Yes, they're WHITE Christian nationalists, some even neo Nazis.

Read that, as the chaos king takes a wrecking ball to everything U.S. citizens have liked about our social safety nets cracks and crumbles. Reminds me of the Miley Cyrus "wrecking ball" video.

@silverotter11 And it seems to continue. As he ratchets up the tariff insanity other countries are affected and are distancing themselves from this lunatic, so called leader. Trade has been the cornerstone and even communist countries are involved. I wonder if some of the MAGA fools in your area are having 2nd thoughts. If not they will have when they are (and they will be) directly affected.

@pedigojr As the real numbers start rolling in it will be interesting. trump did with the tariff threat like he does with stocks. Just the threat of tariffs sent folks off on abuying spree only equaled by x-mas. All buying did not get an accurate reading of the GDP, jobs, etc.
But with now workers farmers are in danger, meat packing plants shutting down, that means layoffs. Any manufacturing here need imports of metals, things they need but do not make here and so the tariffs are holding manufacturing. The first numbers on inflation show it's up.
Then there is the whole immigration thing, most Americans are not happy and just who the fuck is running this circus? It ain't trump.

@silverotter11 Things will get worse and, hopefully, it will reach a tipping point. Remember we have a major criminal in chief and most criminals are seriously STUPID. I've been backing off FB as other things are going on and I've been getting FB messages, supposedly from Musk (I think it's probably a robot comment to people who slammed this POS). Now, a move has been passed to get rid of PBS/NPR. According to PBS it's not the end, yet but I have given more to our local NWPB station. Perhaps if enough give the media won't need the feds to stay in business.

@pedigojr The PBS and Nation Public Radio get a relatively small percentage of their budget from the government but it helps that people know the government supports those things.
The more the public speaks out, the more the public refuses to shut up the better we all will be.
The twisted turn that led to CBS canceling Stephen Colbert is a perfect example:

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In 2022 when Jon Stewart received the Mark Twain award he said it perfectly. It is towards the end around at the 10 minute mark if you don't want to watch the whole thing.

trump and his supporters in both houses used his 1st stint in the WH to find the weaknesses in our system, the weak points that can only be discovered by having a man actually in the Oval office to see exactly where to put the toadies that will work to collapse the system. That's what they used his 1st time around. That is why in the 2nd rodeo things happened so fast.
That's not to say he can not be stopped, he can be but I fear there will be blood.

This is why I can't read, listen or watch stuff on WWII German treatment of Jews. The imagined terror.
But Noem does not care, she shot a helpless puppy for christ's sake and then what was it a goat? anyway just animal that bothered her. She'd do it to a human in a NY minute if she could get away with it.

You are correct.

Damned few of those working for Trump...

@Lizard_of_Ahaz More importantly. no one with morals let millions cross our border illegally.

@Alienbeing Haven't figured it out yet have you? They have designed the system exactly to operate like this.
Our history has always been one of presenting what is possible but the welcoming committee never gives those that want to come a way to do it. Limiting the numbers is fine but if the welcoming committee gives NO way to get in what do you think will happen?
EXACTly what has happened.
Bullshit on the legal way - it too is designed to thwart immigrants. NO we can not except all who wish to immigrate, never did I say we should or could.

Anaolgy (s)
Tiny funnel large quanity = overflow with no where to go
A flash flood = small river bed with stuff built too close to dry river flood zone
3,000 mile border with too few legal entry points, not enough courts or judges and representatives to handle the numbers of people seeking ayslum. OH! we can track a damn cow hw can we not help migrants that just want to come work and then return to their home? We USE to do it and it worked fine.

The U.S. has always depended on the cheap labor of migrants. The U.S. is primarily responsible for the number of people needing (I did not say wanting) to immigrate or needing refuge. We limit those numbers.
What is required is exactly what was in the Bill that republicans wanted but the man you think is such a genius had canceled. ONE call, all it took was ONe call by candidate trump to Mike Johnson and the Bill NEVER got to the floor for the vote that both Dems and repubs wanted. It literally solved most of the issues with all 3 groups - migrants, immigrants and refugees.

Cruelity is the point. National debasing of the brown and black people is the point. If it walks like a duck . . . .

@Alienbeing You mean the guy who blocked the bi-partisan border bill?... That was Trump....

@silverotter11 I can't wait until stupid starts paying ever inflating grocery prices and has his healthcare taken away while the neighboring hospitals near him are closing because they can no longer afford to stay open...

@Alienbeing

@silverotter11 Illegal is illegal, no additinal comments necessary.

@Lizard_of_Ahaz The Bill was extreamly faulty, which is irrelevant to the fact that illegal is illegal.

@Lizard_of_Ahaz Unlike you (who is a proven wimp) after going to war, I came back and worked. Accordingly, I can easily afford healthcare and anythig else I need.

@Alienbeing Until the price of health insurance skyrockets in a vain attempt to keep hospital emergency rooms open.... and in red states hospitals open... Idiots like you have no idea what economics is much less how it works...

@Alienbeing You say "illegal is illegal" and yet every illegal act Trump does is fine with you..... Most people call that hypocrisy and racism but people like you should call it what it really is...making America into a third world toilet...

@Alienbeing Ignoring Supreme Court orders. Violating emmuluments, refusing to rent to Black people and getting getting caught and finded for discrimination, adjudicated rapist, etc. more serious than mere misdemeanors.
Being in the U.S. illegally, a misdemeanor. All crimes and yet not a word about a man who has done far worse than 90% of the migrants, visa over stayers, immigrants. Refugees - we have signed a commit with other countries to accept a certain number and trumps violates it - a crime.
We all have a bias.

@silverotter11 You forgot his fraudulent "Trump university" and charities he used to line his pockets as well as 30+ FELONY convictions as well as possession of a firearm by a convicted felon.... not to mention his "wife" being in the country illegally....

@Alienbeing The ancestors of the colonizers are the illegals....

@Alienbeing, @Lizard_of_Ahaz trump is an anchor baby and with all his felonies should be the first mother fucker deported....

@Alienbeing writes, "More importantly. [sic] no one with morals let millions cross our border illegally."

You mean all those wonderfully moral business owners (including Trump) who tacitly invited migrants to come by eagerly hiring them to work on their farms and in their meat packing plants, restaurants, hotels, and factories, and never asked questions about their legal status in the USA? Is it those moral people you are referring to?

@Alienbeing, @Lizard_of_Ahaz His Felonious Malignancy blocked the immigration bill because if there were to be a solution or even mere alleviation of the problem then he wouldn't be able to whip up the irrational fear that his political machine relies so heavily on to keep swindling the American people.

@Lizard_of_Ahaz Apropos the videos, BINGO!

@Alienbeing, @Lizard_of_Ahaz, @silverotter11 Being in the country illegally is not even a misdemeanor. It's not a criminal act; it's a civil matter. Trump's EO making it a criminal act? That is not law.

@Alienbeing, @silverotter11, @Lizard_of_Ahaz Heh heh, he's a lawyer, ya know. One of the flying monkey variety.

@Flyingsaucesir It is if you provide fraudulent information on your visa application or even worse citizenship application..

@Flyingsaucesir Who Trump a lawyer?... Draft dodger yes 5 times but lawyer?.... not even close.

@Flyingsaucesir Right a civil misdemeanor but it is still a 'crime'. So we get into level of crime. 90% of the migrants and immigrants have NO Other interactions with the law. The level of 'criminality' is jaywalking. Not something I could morally put people in a concentration camp for, but that's just me.

@Lizard_of_Ahaz Yes, there are all kinds if ways to get to a criminal level, but the basic act of being here without documents is only a civil matter if you haven't already been deported at least once before.

@Lizard_of_Ahaz I was referring to @Alienbeing. He claims to be a lawyer.

@Flyingsaucesir No that is not what I mean and for you to even infer such clearly shows you can't read very well. Biden's administration is the ONLY entity that opened the border. If you don't know that you don't read very much.

@Flyingsaucesir Again, you prove you don't read well. I did not"claim" to be a lawyer, I typed RETIRED lawyer. I stopped taking continuing ed courses many years ago, hence I no longer have a license.. In closing I don't care if you believe that or not, and such "claim" is entirely unrelated to the discussion.

Try to justify Biden's negligence in opening the border.

@Lizard_of_Ahaz The price of healthcare has already soared, and has done so under both Democrat and Rpublican administration's. Apparently you need to brush up on the subject.

@Flyingsaucesir RETIRED lawyer, and what does that relate to the discussion? Try getting an argument.

@Flyingsaucesir Crossing the border without proper application IS an illegal act. Your feeble attempt to rationalize failed.

@Flyingsaucesir The proposed Bill was faulty and should have failed, and it did.

@michelle666gar Explain how Trump is an "anchor baby".

@michelle666gar A very stupid remark.

@Lizard_of_Ahaz I don't recall ever saying I was a TruMp supporter, and in fact I am not. I never voted for him, and disapprove of much of what he does. The subject is ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION. NOT TRUMP

@silverotter11 I am discussing illegal immigration, not Trump.

@Lizard_of_Ahaz Hey wimp, stick to the subject which is illegal immigration, not Trump.

@Flyingsaucesir I wonder if he realizes how much legal trouble he can get into making that claim if it isn't true?...

@Flyingsaucesir, @Alienbeing Trump is a felon and his wife committed fraud on her visa application as well as her citizenship application... You little bitch coward... I bet you are a draft dodger just like your hero the zero... Wait until after the primaries when Trump's bill kicks in and your health insurance skyrockets...

@Flyingsaucesir If you falsify paperwork for either a visa or citizenship application you can be deported which his scumbag hooker did... Face it being able to say "anal is extra" in six languages doesn't qualify someone for an Einstein visa...

@Lizard_of_Ahaz I'm not going to get into further discussion on immigration legal or illegal. This tête-à-tête w/alien is just like what I am suffering through with my twin. It's my own damn fault too, shoulda just kept my fucking mouth shut but NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO had to give it one more go on facebook message to present the facts. Just the facts. Also over on FB a person who was/is part of a citizens group that fought (and WON) land and water issues in our county is having a similar tête-à-tête with a woman who is a physician, I have joined in with facts, again the only thing she likes about trump and voted for him is getting rid of illegal immigrants.
Meanwhile almost everything I thought would happen concerning the tariffs and the economy is playing out pretty much as I figured it would. If you follow futures contracts and how trumps chaos will effect things it's kinda easy to figure out. I just can not pay attention to the media, they're a day late and a dollar short. Not the I am 100% correct - that $13,000 soy bean hit back in the 1990s proves it - tho I made it back on feeder cattle with the mad cow thing, a wash. I'll take a wash over a big loss. LOL

@Alienbeing His parents are illegal immigrants from Germany

@Alienbeing It's not, think about it

@silverotter11 It's not your fault, it's people who are constantly lied to and believing all the lies and not looking at the big picture. They're stubborn in what they are told to believe, now this mother fucker is saying he didn't vote for the felon but we've seen it's posts that says otherwise.

@Alienbeing No bill is perfect, but the proposed bill would have been a good step forward. And, importantly, it was bipartisan, and would have passed Congress if Her Gropenführer, with characteristic cynicism, had not strangled the baby in its crib. And in its place, what immigration law has Trump passed? None. He just shit his big ugly turd slashing healthcare for the poor, giving billion$ to the rich, and adding trillion$ to the national debt.

Anyway, how is it that I happen to know that you are/were a lawyer? Only because you told me in a previous post thread. Now why would you do that? Why wheel out that irrelevant fact at all? To make yourself look smarter, of course; to add much-needed weight to your pathetic and stupid argument. NOW you want to downplay it, because it suits your present screed of bullshit? Fine. You're a RETIRED lawyer of the flying monkey variety.

@Alienbeing His Felonious Malignancy's mother was not born in the USA, she was an immigrant to the USA, from Scotland; came here to be a domestic servant...

@Alienbeing

@michelle666gar Actually that was his grandfather the German draft dodger who used to run prostitutes in Alaska and had his sister putting the profits into real estate for him..... But when he tried to move back to Germany they disenfranchised him...

@Flyingsaucesir The Bill was so far from perfect that it failed.

In closing I remind you that I could not care less what you think of me. In fact if I annoy you, I am happy. You are a loser.

@Flyingsaucesir, @silverotter11 Your analysis is poor..... as usual.

@Lizard_of_Ahaz Hey wimp. you accusing another of fraud is laughable. You are the fraud.

@Alienbeing You have no brains at all calling people who tell the truth "frauds" while supporting frauds...

@Alienbeing

@Lizard_of_Ahaz He (@Alienbeing) reminds of a kid I once knew, who was compelled by loneliness and rage to seek attention the only way he knew how, by being a thoroughly objectionable troll. For him, negative attention was better than no attention. Hence the false claims, the spurious and illogical arguments, the ad hominem attacks. It all springs from a broken mind and twisted set of values. A fellow to be pitied more than reviled...

@Flyingsaucesir He is from North Carolina what can we expect.... I was stationed there once and it is a complete shithole. Women hit on us not because they wanted someone to build a life with but because a private in the military had more money than the uneducated redneck inbred morons that were born there.... It was also a way out of the shithole they lived in...

@Lizard_of_Ahaz NC, a former slave state, where voter suppression tactics are still employed to great effect.

@Flyingsaucesir Well at least I remind you of something, you remind me of nothing. By ignoring the subject and resorting to girlish attempts at insult you clearly show your intelligence, or better put, lack thereof.

@Lizard_of_Ahaz I don't open your absurd copies of media nonsense, so save your energy, your wimp mind needs to use all the remaining energy you have.

@Lizard_of_Ahaz Hey wimp, your disagreement with anything I say convinces me I am correct.

@Flyingsaucesir You wish California was in as good a shape as N.C. is in. California is about to go bankrupt.

@Lizard_of_Ahaz

@michelle666gar Here are some real morons who moved from Texass to Russia....

@Alienbeing That just proves you are smoking way too much meth....

@Lizard_of_Ahaz And these morons say socialism is the same as communism!!! They sent him to fight the war in Ukraine!!!! They love the twatwaffle and all his bullshit!!!!

@Alienbeing That's why you keep responding to @Flyingsaucesir, you're looking like the little girl! I deal with grown women like you everyday! They love drama and causing nonsense

@michelle666gar His wife wants to send him money but only has 17.00 USD in Rubles to feed her and the kids...

@michelle666gar He is just a sad and pathetic little bitch with delusions of relevance...

@Lizard_of_Ahaz Dumbasses!!!! Hope they're happy!

@Lizard_of_Ahaz Still praising the twatwaffle!

@Lizard_of_Ahaz Not only that, these people have never lived or been to a border city and knows the truth about immigration. They believe the lies that are spoon fed to them from a lying biased news source.

@michelle666gar

@michelle666gar

@michelle666gar @Lizard_of_Ahaz Thanks for the new term! "Twatwaffle" is new to me, but applied to @Alienbeing, I think it strikes a good balance. It connotes deserved opprobrium, but it does so playfully, denying the pathetic jerk the serious attention he yearns for. However, I think we can usefully precede "twatwaffle" with a couple of adjectives: "racist," and "misogynistic." I suspect that he is a RACIST and MISOGYNISTIC twatwaffle. This seems appropriate because, notwithstanding his frequent denials of favor for Donald Trump, he invariably adds something along the lines of "but he's a lot better than Kamala Harris." Yet he doesn't explain how a lying, cheating, treasonous, ignorant, convicted felon, sexual predator, con man, and all-around dirt-bag can possibly be a better POTUS than a former prosecutor, district attorney, state attorney general, and vice president with a spotless record of public service. He's essentially saying that being Black and female is more disqualifying than being a convicted felon, adjudicated rapist and mendacious fraudster.

@Flyingsaucesir Just the two videos I posted will tell you the real story and the one here is enough to gag a maggot but unfortunately not a Republican...

@Lizard_of_Ahaz Cruelty, in the MAGA mind, is not a bug; it's a feature.

@Flyingsaucesir It isn't just MAGA it is the Republican party and most Centrists as well....

@Lizard_of_Ahaz They think they're above the law! Plus he was drunk and probably going to rape the poor woman who he followed to the women's bathroom, yeah but it's trans doing the raping!

@Lizard_of_Ahaz, @Flyingsaucesir Yeah, it's a very, very sad situation for all of us but these stupid twatwaffles lap up all the lies that the master twatwaffle tells them to think and what to say! All I do is shake my head at all of this dystopian nightmare! These people have never lived near any minority and believe what the fear mongering of faux news and all the other stupid lying media that they're glued to.

@Flyingsaucesir I've been calling that piece of shit, twatwaffle since the first time he was president!

@Lizard_of_Ahaz Those who disagree keep their mouths shut. Loyalty to a tyrant is a product of intimidation.

"The flogging will continue until morale improves!"

@Flyingsaucesir Ask any senior Russian officer in Ukraine....