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No doubt the scientists in our membership will explain how supposedly ignorant Syrian men can manufacture chlorine gas and chambers to contain it. Meanwhile what has the Pentagon done to refute allegations that Syrian rebels are being aided by American special forces?
US Special Forces helping FSA plot chemical attack to trigger strikes on Syria forces – Russian MoD [rt.com]

FrayedBear 9 June 12
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Oh what a tangled web the puppet masters weave

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" supposedly ignorant"?? They used to be doctors, scientists, technos...now bombed back to the Stone Age thanks to us....they are intelligent, educated & motivated, and you are a racist idiot!

Am I a racist idiot for having the temerity to ask questions about incidents most are ignoring or believe the propaganda of their government that controls the accused special forces? And who am I racist against? Syrians? I'm afraid Anne you have identified who is racist - the American government, its media and citizens who have allowed this situation to not only develop but continue.

@FrayedBear if it were my homeland that was being completely ruined, i would be proud i had the will to fight back....you?

@AnneWimsey Perhaps I am already doing that but there again it may be that my cognitive dissonance like yours is deluding me...

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The same way idiots manufacture meth. Get the process, and follow the recipe. You don't have to understand it to be able to do it. Chemistry doesn't care about ignorance. It also doesn't care that people don't know why it explodes when they screw it up.

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And this is the result of using the premier Australian telephone company's wifi service. I wonder how good service is in war torn Syria when on the run?

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Is this a joke or are you one of those Russian cyberwarfare operatives we have been reading about?

Which joke do you refer to @TravelinTom? American greed? American bullying? The failure of the American people to control their governments and military?
That American interference throughout the world is creating horror for peoples of the world is not simply confined to Syria? Look at Chile, Afghanistan, Vietnam, Korea, West Papua, Cuba, Japan, Palestine, Libya, Germany for examples of war and humanitarian crimes occurring thanks to American interference.
The "joke" may well be that there are many people around the world who do not like seeing the result of American paranoia and lack of control.

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What is common knowledge to most Israelis, we are oblivious to. That is 'Greater Israel'. Political Zionist fanatics (those now in full control the government) aren't going to be satisfied with taking all of Palestine. They already occupy parts of Lebanon and Syria and are in possession of virtually all of Palestine in one way or another; such as blockade...

Greater Israel includes large portions of Syria, Iraq, all of Jordan and Sinai all the way to Egypt. Making Assad look like a mass murdering tyrant in the Western press is vital as a pretext for attacking Syria and creating yet another 'power vacuum' in the region; giving an excuse for Israel, with support vassal states (the FUKUS triumverate of France, UK and US) to fill-in the vacuum... Jordan has been 'riding the tiger' for decades and will probably be the last portion to be absorbed. Not sure whether it will play-out in this way, but it has been moving in that direction for almost 18 years.

Vassal states, one might ask? After all, 'tiny' Israel is hardly as powerful as a feudal lord. I answer, that it depends on what KIND of power is wielded. Governments dependent upon an electorate ( a real one, not a counterfeit one as in Israel ) are also dependent upon what the population thinks of them to get elected. And, I'd add, raising enough money to get elected. What the populations 'think' is mostly, that margin being all it takes to get elected, a matter of what appears in press and popular entertainment media.

Anyone want to consider a scenario in which a person in our country would be elected to ANY office if they were publicly critical of the behavior of the state of Israel?

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Alternative views are good, but don't promote stereotypes of "Ignorance"...

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I could manufacture Chlorine gas right here, with no more than some salt water and a torch battery. It is THAT easy.
Any old plastic can will contain it. or a metal one sprayed on the inside with a coating made by dissolving plastic in nail polish remover.

Petter Level 9 June 12, 2018

The article photograph implies delivery by some form of gun, not just opening a jerry can and using a fan to distribute.

@FrayedBear You mean a large mortar bomb. Another doddle. A section of large diameter water pipe, an explosive charge and a stout plastic bottle containing chlorine gas under pressure with a detonator. In other words a mortar bomb delivering chlorine or Phosgene, a deadlier chlorine based gas (Or indeed some of the really deadly stuff that both Syria and Iraq had been researching for years.)
Phosgene can be made simply by passing a mixture of Carbon monoxide and Chlorine gas through a bed of porous activated carbon. (ie, charcoal that has been recently heated strongly in a closed container.)

@Petter As the Irish once said to a friend, a professor in mining at one of the Sydney universities, "Ye'd be a useful man to have for a good cause". ?

@FrayedBear I used to build "bombs" for fun. With my mates we'd assemble huge piles of stuff, like rocks and logs plus whatever else we could find, on top of one of my electrically detonated bombs. Then stand well back, as I connected the cable to my battery box and then watched everything fly through the air.
Nowadays, I suppose, we'd be on a government watch-list as potential terrorists instead of responsible, but fun-loving, youngsters.
The electrical detonator, by the way, was another doddle to make, but with the advent of LED lamps will be more difficult to create these days. I would get a 2.5 volt torch bulb and carefully smash away the glass bulb, leaving the filament intact. To this I soldered thin, twin, insulated flex. I would enclose the device in a piece of thin tissue, filled with a finely ground powder made from potassium nitrate and charcoal. and then bury this in the main explosive charge, running the flex out through gummed folds in the casing.
On connecting the other end of the flex to a 6volt battery, the filament would glow brightly before melting, thus setting off the surounding powder, which in turn set off the main charge.
Ah! The joys of an unfettered, colonial youth.

@Petter try buying a chemistry set of such interest or even potassium nitrate - great for writing your name on brown paper. I can't even buy a half litre of 6% H3O these days! Thank you 9/11 and Jewish demolitions inc.

@FrayedBear I used to buy 30 volume H2O2 (hydrogen peroxide) and then distil it in vacuum (well, with a vacuum pump attached to drastically reduce the pressure in the flask) Unlike the distillation of alcohol, one throws the distillate away - it's water. The stuff remaining in the flask is highly concentrated Hydrogen peroxide. Mix it with concentrated ammonia solution, in the presence of iron wool, and the stuff reacts violently, creating huge clouds of hot vapour - the basis of early rocket motors. Mine didn't work very well, though, and I went back to building solid fuel rockets.

@Petter I simply used it as a mouth wash/ steriliser / healer. Great for fixing even quite large mouth ulcers.

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Believe half of what you see and none of what you hear.

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And they have the gal to blame the Syrians.

This is a Russian accusation. They claim to have evidence, but didn't present any. Russia has been backing the Syrian government's chemical attacks on rebels and blaming it on false flag operations since at least 2014.
I wouldn't jump to any conclusions on this just yet.

@JimG Everybody lies. The Russians are lying, the Syrian Government is lying, the US is lying and the Syrian rebels may actually be the only ones telling the truth. We as the general public will never get the truth. The people who are dying from the chemical warfare are the evidence of the lying. Syrians are not ignorant. The civilians were once a thriving middle class with good educations, jobs, families and aspirations of building an even better society. A totalitarian regime took control and the subsequent revolution and proxy war by the US, Russia, Iran, Turkey, and the Islamic State have destroyed everything.

@Dwight of course, everyone lies, but I only mentioned the Russians because they seem to be dictating the article. I also find it odd that they claim the use of chlorine gas, but the reports I've seen and heard about from the white helmets, who seem to be the least untrustworthy source involved, mention much more sophisticated agents were used.

More likely, the Russians and Syrians have the gall to blame the rebels and the USA.
Long before any US involvement, Bashar Assad was using chemical attacks against the rebels - and then denying it vehemently. Why do you think inspectors were never allowed to visit the sites until well after the event and debris had been cleared away?

@Dwight @Petter
Yes... 😟
Crimes against humanity

@JimG I too believe the White Helmets. Arming and delivering the gas devices is a very touchy process. The Russians are the most likely source for the non-chlorine gas. Chlorine gas is most likely delivered in the barrel bombs and is easy to handle and add to the barrel bombs. This is most likely Assad's doing when chlorine is the gas of choice.

@JimG Seems to me that the US did not have any evidence of chemical attacks either, by the way you do realise that the chemicals are made in the western world and also do not forget the agent orange that the US was happy to spray in Vietnam on their own soldiers.

@JimG, @Petter If you look into who pays the white helmets you will know that they are lying too.

@JimG, @Petter, @Dwight And Assad would gas his own people because?

@Jolanta Because he is an Alawite Muslim, a Shia minority sect that rules over the majority mainstream Shias, and the large Sunni Muslim minority. Alawites get all the cream jobs, contracts, and political posts. That is what started the unrest - and then the IS extremists (Sunni, by the way) muscled in on the scene. Throw in the mainstream Kurdish population in the North-East of Syria, also agitating for complete self-rule, they are mainstream Muslim, incidentally, and you will understand why Assad "bombs his own people". They are not - they are his subjects and must be subjugated to the Alawite will.
Are you beginning to understand a little more?
Religion, tribe and power is at the root of all this - further complicated by greed as it is an oil rich nation.
Do you really think that were the world to crack the physics of nuclear fusion, thus allowing huge amounts of energy to be generated from Hydrogen, that the world's major nations would give a damn about the Middle East?

@Jolanta They didn't have any evidence of Saddam Hussein's Weapons of Mass Destruction but that didn't stop the invasion.

@Jolanta What Potter said.

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You can learn anything on the internet, search youtube.

Yes. And make sure you believe it all. NOT!!!

I never said it was all good information...that doesn't mean the information isn't there.

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