I've been a vegetarian for over 8 years. I'm not an overly healthy vegetarian but vegetarian none the less. I eat eggs and drink milk ect, I'm not a vegan. I've gotten to see a lot of different reactions over the years, some people look at me like I'm a mythical creature that couldn't possibly exist, others don't care but what I have noticed is men tend to care more. Why is this? Men tend to be the ones with longer reactions, meaning they ask over and over why. I don't have a good reason, no great story, just a choice I made and stick with. Women tend to take it for what it is and move on, more of a it doesn't affect me so why care attitude and thats how I am. I don't care what others eat or don't eat. Even when I date someone I could care less if they are a meat eater or not but the guys I've dated almost always care that I'm a vegetarian and eventually make a thing of it. Why?
I get the same reaction. I've met very few male vegetarians, and most are gay but I do know some who have fabulous vegetarian restaurants.
My theory is that traditionally, men hunted and women gathered vegetable or gardened. So men like to eat meat more than women. Women are more accepting but men provide meat, type of thinking.
I've been vegetarian most or my life. I live it and have no desire to eat meat except seafood on occasion.
You'll meet someone who either doesn't care or perhaps wants to try it. Not all men are asshole. Lol.
Hey! You seem to imply most men are assholes!?
@Gatovicolo most of us are. It’s a problem society has placed upon us and a lot can’t seem to escape the problem of socially imposed hyper masculinity (aka assholeness).
I don’t think it’s evolutionary ingrained in us as much as it is enforced by society. If you go to Little India in Houston, TX you will see most people (men and women) are vegetarians. Here in the bulk of the states eating meat is tied to masculine behavior, so not eating meat can be perceived to be a threat to one’s own masculinity.
@Prescott
Honestly, I think you’re wrong. Being masculine doesn’t imply assholeness. And women can be assholes too. It’s not an exclusively male phenomenon.
@Prescott perhaps it has to do with our culture being principally oriented to eating meat.
@Gatovicolo I totally represent that statement. (Women being capable of being assholes, that is...)
@Prescott yep. Gotta love the Indians. There culture is so totally different from ours. Their diets depend largely on their caste historically. I love Indian food.
@Gatovicolo nowhere did I say women can’t.
@Prescott
You’re identification of assholeness with masculinity did.
I could be very wrong but it's my experience that vegies purchase and cater only for themselves despite who else may be there and expect others to cater for them when they're guests.
That said vegie food is great but its missing the meat. Bacon would make every vegie meal edible and I wouldn't feel the meal was incomplete.
I do only buy and cater to myself, bc I'm single and live alone... Do you keep your fridge stocked for random other ppl who may or may not come into your life? That seems waistful. However when I'm living with someone I do buy and cook meat for my partner, or at least I have in the past.
@Gypsy31771 I keep the cupboards stocked so anyone I know could be fed or snack at mine. Fridge stuff not so much. Although I buy considering others its only stuff I can make use of if they don't turn up.
You are clearly better than my experience with vegetarians. I realise that my initial comment does sound as though all of you are the same. I know thats wrong. I apologize for that.
@Gypsy31771, @Gwendolyn2018 if its just cows and pigs you don't eat then you are only a little fussy. Thats easy to deal with. So many chicken and fish options for a start. My wife can't eat lamb (or crab but that's not so much of an issue).
Please tell me what you regularly buy and keep at home that you don't consume yourself but have only for when others visit?
@Gwendolyn2018 Question was for stealthbeard
They don't want YOU to make them stop eating meat.
They see you as the cook of the household, and think they'll never eat steak again.
Sounds like dude need to learn how to cook...
I work at a fast food chicken place if I was bothered by cooking meat I wouldn't have a job. I've also been in relationships where I cooked for my partner at the time I would usually make the same dish for us both just his with whatever meat and mine without
@Gypsy31771 They don't know that. Most women force their partners to eat as they do.
@Minta79 I agree with you
@birdingnut how are you going to force a grown human to eat anything? And as a grown human, how are you going to let your partner force you to eat a specific diet? Sorry, that's just weak sauce. They can be grown. Learn to cook. Contribute equally, or step off.
@Minta79 LOL! Most cis hetero women just withdraw attention, affection and/or sex unless the man conforms to her will. If he's resistant, she just moves on to someone more cooperative.
@birdingnut Then she's weak sauce, too! Lol Ain't nobody got time for that.
@Minta79 No, she's the one whose man will stay with her and take care of her. I have too many male characteristics to do that, and, like a male, I put up with anything, In no time my male romantic interests are taking me for granted, walking all over me, and eventually cheat on me because there are no consequences.
Most women you see crying about men 'doing them them wrong" are these type masculine instinct women who make excuses for men's bad behavior. Most cis hetero women don't cry over men or make excuses..if the guy doesn't put her first, she dumps his stuff on the lawn, changes the locks, and moves on.
@birdingnut There is a big difference between allowing yourself to be mistreated and "forcing" your dietary preferences on another adult. Frankly, I wouldn't want a partner who allowed me to control their diet (see above re: weak sauce). And, I see lots of cis hetero women crying over their guy doing them wrong, while they sit back and allow it. On the other hand, I'm not putting up with that shit, or trying to be anybody's mama (I mean except my kid's, I am trying to be his mama...). You can be an equal partner or you can move along little doggy.
Vegetarian diet makes sense. Vegan diet is over the top and doesn't make much sense. We are omnivores and need animal protein and that all important B-12. How we get it means nothing to me until one goes through all sorts of machinations to supplement what is needed, then it makes no sense. So, I as a man who loves a good steak occasionally, would not question your diet. Why other men might, I have no idea.
@Belrieve -- I'm aware of that. You can get it in other ways as well. It all falls under having to engage in machinations to get where one needs to be with reasonable health. One does not get adequate B-12 from soy in its natural state, either. It has to be prepared, concentrated, and/or fortified. My opinion is that people eat far too much meat in the US. Just 2.5 ozs. of beef meets the normal daily need. Older folks, such as moi, need a higher intake simply because we don't process B12 as efficiently as we once did. I have no argument with the vegans. It's just that it doesn't make much sense as opposed to the vegetarian who get theirs without going through hoops -- and yes, I know all the arguments, so don't bother.
I think veganism makes perfect sense. It's just not that easy to do and get right.
@Gareth -- You don't need to convince me. Convince yourself and be happy. I shall enjoy my occasional filet mignon and I will be happy.
It's expensive. Then you go to a fancy restaurant and you get a salad. Just like the one at McDonalds but it costs 16 bucks.
I rarely eat salads but I promise the salad at McDonald's is not the same as you'd get in an upscale restaurant. I spend less on food then most ppl in my experience.
When I cut meat & dairy out of my diet, I was able to cut my food budget in half
@davyjones Yes, I know. My wife did the same thing but she doesn't like fresh fruit and only tolerates vegetables. She eats a lot of salad. That way isn't healthy. I eat tons of veggies plus fish. The fish is expensive. It's still frustrating that she always orders salads at restaurants, I mean why bother.
A factor is possibly wondering where to go for dinner or lunch. All my favorites don't really offer non-meat based meals. I lean towards taco stands and food trucks. Or they just never dated a veggie. My sister is, and going out to eat with her posed some challenges.
I don't usually have that problem unless it's a steakhouse. I've always been able to find vegetarian options wherever I went. Even if it's not on the menu most places are very willing to accommodate. Most Mexican places have a full vegetarian section on their menu. I can't speak to food trucks but if they're preparing the food fresh and not just reheating I don't see how it would be much of a problem
First world problems!
Gurl. I was vegetarian for several years (chose to start eating meat again in the last couple of months to combat some persistent anemia, that was not caused by diet, but also wasn't improving) and men (most of whom I wasn't dating because I was married until about a year ago) were always in awe and need of an explanation. Like "homie, I choose not to consume meat, end of story."
I feel like we could be friends
@Gypsy31771 then let's be friends
Just wondering - how many men question you and does their livelihood depend on the slaughter of livestock? I would think that if you just eat what you eat, and don't order meat, that they should be okay with it... my guess is either they're feeling guilty for their choices, or maybe think you need taking care of.
The biggest example: Over the last 3 years I dated the same guy off and on Everytime we got back together he'd look in my fridge and say "your really still a vegetarian? Will you ever change?" He also hated that I'm an athiest . We never argued on either topic but it always became clear he expected me to Change to try to stay with him and I wouldn't. I just never understood why it mattered. We didn't argue, we didn't have a hard time finding places to eat that both of us could get food we enjoyed, and religion was never brought up. It's over now and I'm completely at peace with that but I guess I just still question why things like that matter when they were of no real consequence in the actual relationship
@Gypsy31771 They may have been "of no real consequence" to you, but maybe they were more important to him than he let you know. Or maybe he was hoping it was 'just a phase' with you and something you would get over so he could show you later that you were wrong and that you had come around to his way of thinking, which, of course, had to be the right way, and then you could both be happy!
I don't know I just don't get the whole vegetarian but I eat eggs and milk. Some even eat fish. What's the point? Ya know, cows and chickens wouldn't even exist if we didn't eat them. There would be no point in raising them if it weren't for food, leather etc.
Eating meat, eggs, etc keeps them from going extinct. So to say "I don't eat meat" but I do eat eggs and milk is ridiculous. Even vegans are ridiculous, if we all followed the vegan life style all chickens, cows, etc would die out and they would no er exist! Do vegans really hate all animals and wish they would disappear?
Eat a burger and stop pretending that you are better than everyone else.
"I'm not pretending I'm better than anyone else", really because I have never posted anywhere how much I like to eat meat. But people who don't love to tell everyone how much they don't.
I became a vegetarian in 1971 and what you describe is how people often react; men and women. In some restaurants i'm even shown the seafood portion of the menu. That's when i ask them if they grow their seafood in their garden. hahaha
But generally people can't seem to understand why i made or make the choice, and the fact that i've been healthy and continue to be super-active confuses some even more. LLOL
How do i handle their curiosity, if that's what it is? I used respond with smart ass responses but got bored with doing that long ago. So when someone persisted on the subject, i just asked why my vegetarianism seemed so important to them? That usually changed the subject, or just ended the conversation. Either outcome works for me.
I know, it's hard to not respond to what we see as stupid comments.
@JackPedigo Sure is.
A factor is possibly wondering where to go for dinner or lunch. All my favorites don't really offer non-meat based meals
Are you sure? Most ppl just assume that but haven't actually looked. I rarely run into restaurants that don't have something I can eat. I prefer not to go to steakhouses bc I'm not one to eat a ton of salads but they would at least have that
@Gypsy31771 And if there was nothing on the printed menu, when i asked the response was often that they could make a vegetarian platter for me. Like when i used to do a lot of flying, the pre-ordered vegetarian meals were usually better than what everyone else received, as i often heard. LLOL
Maybe they see you being a vegetarian as a threat to their "perfect life" in the future. No home cooked steak dinners, no grilling burgers with friends on game day, having to eat stuff like "rabbit food" (aka salads and vegetables), tofu, quinoa, tempeh, or other foods they can't pronounce. I really have no idea. People can be overly cautious to things that seem "strange" and "not normal" to them, which can lead to rudeness and aggression.
As a vegetarian myself, I've had people (mostly women because I work with 98% women and date women) tell me I'm missing out by not eating meat. They'll try to tease me by saying their food (whatever meat dish they are having) is sooooo goooood and will offer me a piece as if I'm punishing myself by not eating meat and if I tried it, I would go back to eating meat.
Sorry you are going through this. I guess it's to be expected living in the South. As for myself, I'm part of the unholy Southern trifecta: atheist, liberal, vegetarian.
I can't tell you how often I hear that exact comment about them cooking something and how I'm missing out. I always tell them it would make me incredibly physically ill at this point to eat anything involving meat and they generally leave me alone about it.
I suppose I'm in that trifecta as well. I don't call myself a liberal but everyone loves to call me one. I tend to just say I'm logical, not liberal.
That's interesting. I looked at your profile. Is this a big deal in your age group? At my really advanced years, and IF I was looking for a potential permanent partner... I'd be concerned about someone's health from that diet. A simple solution is to ask the fellows why they keep asking YOU about it.
PS: I'm not looking for a date. If I was it wouldn't be with someone my daughter's age.
And you're happily married and fiercely monogamous.
@Minta79
Absolutely. My wife and I are "together". And we both like that.
Vegetarians and Omnivores... the Montagues and Capulets of food.
There's so much judgment related to what people eat. If it's not one thing, it's another. For example, I'd like to live long enough to see the decriminalization of bread.
I don't know that men necessarily react more. I think either a man or woman will react if the person they are reacting to could be a potential partner. In other words, my vegetarian girlfriends don't care that I eat meat, but they also won't date someone who does. This may be because it matters more when you have to live with someone, share meals with them, or eventually raise children together, etc..
Having said that, I've seen both men and women push back hard regarding the consumption of meat; whether to consume it or not. Not even related to vegetarianism, I've struggled being in a relationship with someone who had very limited tastes. He was a "meat and potatoes" guy who was uncomfortable watching anyone eat sushi. The social impact of food is significant. This could be why you notice it more with men than women.
I agree with you. OP didn't provide context on how these conversations get started, only the differing reactions of men & women. I agree with you that if the topic comes up, the reaction/level of interest will vary depending on who you're talking to (a potential partner, as you said, will have a higher level of interest and might ask more questions.). Personally, I'm an omnivore, but I'd at least be willing to try going vegetarian (not vegan, necessarily) if my potential partner had that lifestyle already (and was willing to do all the shopping/work, LOL!). Loved your stance on bread, btw. =]
I don't know, but there is sampling bias here, or so it appears. Unless you date men and women (put them in the same situation, a controlled experiment!) and then compare their reactions, your premise that men care more about what you eat is not correct. Obviously your date would be more than interested in why you made such a choice than some friend.
I date men and women. Only the men get hung up on it, in my experience. The women I've dated have been omnivores, and have only mentioned vegetarian eating in context of "does that place have stuff you'll eat?" Or "I'm making this meat dish for the picnic, do you want to bring another main, so you have something, or are you eating desert for lunch?" (I was eating desert for lunch. Lol) Whereas guys are like "how do you not eat meat? Don't you miss it? But, meat is so good? Wanna try my meat?"
I am still trying to figure out what a vegetarian cannibal eats.
If you figure that out, I'm all ears. On a side note, two cannibals were eating a clown one day. One stopped & asked the other, "Does this taste funny to you?"
Men are probably commenting because somewhere in their heads they are thinking how it would be tough for them to date you.
I'm a veggie, too. I don't get a lot of comments and, on the rare occasion that I do, I consider the source. Usually, it comes from people that feel disempowered in life and need someone to mess with. It's usually some asshole masturbating about bacon... and he is related to me. In this case, I gently inform him that it's my business and that he isn't paying for or cooking my food and is it going to date me shi mind his business.
My favorite is when it is done by an obese person with diabetes saying my diet isn't healthy. I address that, too - I tell them that they need to watch their own protein/fat/sugar macros themselves before giving me any advice. At the end of the day, the proof is in the proverbial pudding.
Carry yourself with confidence. Your diet causes less misery and pollution in the world - it's a fact. If you think you're diet could be better, then make it better! Be the best you can be.
All the best to you!
When I went vegan I mentioned it to a coworker and he asked me if I had told my mother I was gay yet? He was an asshole, not only doesn’t he work there anymore I can’t remember his name.
I'm a guy that is an ovo-lacto vegetarian... You'd be welcome at our table.
Some people create an image based on stereotypes. The questions are probably just curiosity because you aren't preachy about it. Of course, some people see it as a power issue to influence what other people eat. There are a lot of different potential motivators.
It's a bit inconvenient to locate suitable options when dining out with a vegetarian, but it isn't too bad. It's similar to dining out with gluten free people. If someone makes a big deal about it, I'd consider changing dinner companions. I make a lot of vegetarian meals. If it's got cheese, it's hard to dislike.
Because some men believe it's a woman's job to prepare all meals.
I never thought of it before but I do believe you are right. Meat eating has long been associated with masculinity though it's not as obvious in our cultures as others. Except how men, even ones that never cook, just LOVE to barbecue. Also more hunters & fishers are men.