I just had a mind blowing conversation with my fundamental christian mother. We discussed the bible, evolution, the universe, and other light subjects.
She tearfully admitted that she does not believe the bible to be infallible. She said that it was obviously, "too full of man".
She politely asked me to stop because I was, "crumbling the last foundations of her faith".
I informed her that I wasn't attempting to do that, but that I was glad she was willing to talk about it with me.
I never thought this day would come.
She told me that she thought I was very intelligent and thoughtful and that she admired me.
Up until today, I was only described as wayward and sinful.
Oh, happy day!
Gratz! How's she feeling now? Obviously I don't know your relationship but if I was in your shoes I think I'd do something light-hearted with her to try and make her feel better. It's got to be rough going through that.
Wow! That’s quite a turn of events it sounds
So nice to hear that you got through to your Mom. That is a hard thing to do. And hard for her to change, too, as it blows up her whole way of living. Be kind to her as she is struggling - show her the positives of non-belief so she doesn't feel that she is losing her religion and gaining nothing. Show her the wonders of the world are still here, even if one doesn't have a god to thank for them. Congrats, and I hope you two have a great future together. I think my Mom (due to my Dad, not me) has really come around on the religion thing, too (although always much more a go-at-christmas-only person) - once she turned 78 or so. She'll be 84 in a few weeks and I've had to slow her roll on spewing anti-religion with my kid around - I don't want my kid to hate people who are religious, just hate the religion! Cool it with the viterol in front of the kid, Mom! Anyway, my Dad has read Skeptical Enquirer for years and Mom has now been reading it, too, and she is so fed up with church getting mucked in with state - and the hypocrites - that she has washed her hands of the whole thing. It has made her a much more politically active Democrat, too. Go Moms!!!
That's awesome. I wish I could have a conversation like that with my sister. She recently decided being one of the faithful was not enough irrationality for her. She is now in training to become some kind of alternative medicine doctor person thingy. Apparently there is an actual training course for this. I always figured they just made stuff up as they went along.
She actually said to me that all disease is mental and can be cured with the right attitude. So of course I ask "Uh, so all the cancer patients in the world are only sick because they have a bad attitude and can cure themselves by thinking away their tumors?"
Still waiting on an answer to that one.
Mixed feelings.... I'm glad you and mom had a revelation together.
Faith is how ignorance copes with the unknown. It's all about education and understanding. It's not necessarily a bad thing, but it's a self limiting thing to rely on. It's an opiate that calms restless curiosity at the expense of continued growth. As C S Lewis said, " only the vulnerable move among mysteries ". And the letting go of beliefs in order to expand ones understanding is not an easy addiction to break. Being an atheist should be the natural condition and unremarkable. What makes it controversial is that faith has spoiled the purity of thought and created such an obsticle to what's obvious.
Getting a fundy away from biblical literalism, is the first and biggest hurdle, once they stop judging every one by that foul book they quite often will settle in to using their own moral judgement, they may still call it god but it will be a lot kinder and more loving than the god of the babble ever was.
Congratulations you taught her to think for herself, that in itself has made the world a better place.
Now seriously, take extra care about old people going out of faith. They might not be able to handle the values, social life and community support changes that this change of hearts bring.
If this progress be prepared to become the guide and for some time her only real social contact and support.
Where there is faith i shall bring doubt!
Were their is faith I will show you some one who has been brainwashed and or indoctrinated in to talking like an idiot.
Last I read from you, you sounded like a ball of stress. It's good that you had this moment of connection!
It sounds like a productive conversation. Something I like to make clear with devout people is that I'm not trying to change their mind about their own faith but rather to show that my perspective isn't unreasonable. It would seem you had something of a breakthrough with your mother in this regard. ?
Sorry that you had to give up only being wayward and sinful ? But, I bet it was a great feeling to be able to communicate with your mother that way!
Wow, I would say that's great step in to the right direction ! At least mom was open minded enough to a point.
I had a great conversation with my JW friend today. She's going to be one of us in no time !
She felt so cheated after our conversation ! Cults are very powerful ! I was a JW kid thanks to my mother.
Wow! It sounds like she might be ready for a new start without religion. I cried when i realized there was no god, but eventually there is acceptance and love and life goes on... and I'm happier than I ever was as a christian ?
I don't mean to minimize her feelings or yours. I hope i didn't sound insensitive.