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Is the solution to "hate speech" more speech or less speech?

IamBane 6 Oct 12
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Sometimes, maybe hate might be a wrong answer to a good question. The idea would be to find out what the question is and then to find a less hateful answer.

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More listening and less speech. And educate, educate,EDUCATE...the more we learn about each other....the better

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How about a punch in the face for the moron doing it?

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The only solution is to find an impartial way of judging whether something is hate speech and how hateful it is. So long as people make the judgements, they are typically influenced by their own biases and just end up hating people who call out hate on the basis that it's hateful to do so.

I agree with this. language is syntactically consistent, we understand the rules of linguistics, it should be possible to create a set of standards for this. I would be okay with that entirely.

and "he's hating on my hate" should not be in the list. create a set of standards for hate speech, and it becomes obvious that saying "that's not okay" isn't in the same class.

incoherent, intractable nonsense

It will soon be possible. AGI systems with perfect reasoning and no bias will resolve all of this, and they are under construction now.

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One of the biggest issues around this question is the role anonymity plays. The internet has allowed a flood of horrible ideas to propagate because the idiots spouting the drivel know that the backlash is minimal. Meet them face to face and they're suddenly reticent.

Recall all the very contrite individuals after being identified as attendees of the Unite the Right March?

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In this case, Valium might be a good first option. If ineffective, move on to the others:

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What we need is the right kind of speech. Both sides in the U.S. seem to feel their position is not only right but the only right answer. It seems obvious to me that there is room for compromise and certainly room to at least listen to others. The problem is exacerbated by the belief of some that "Only my answer is right". trump has poisoned the well badly with his constant hate speech and the belittling of EVERYONE who disagrees with him. He thinks only his decisions are the right ones. They're not.

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“Better speech”

Marz Level 7 Oct 16, 2018
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Quality speech.

Realistically speaking ti can't solve it, only diminish it's reach.

In a shouting-match, the more primitive mind has the advantage because it runs on emotions every day.
You can't cure hate but you can prove that haters are, usually, full of shit. You have to be informed and you have to stay on point.

The big names on the atheist vs religion debates have not been successful because they took a page from the zealots and appealed to emotion and used slander. They stuck to the facts. Let the idiots sneer; reasonable people will be able to distinguish empty rhetoric from content.

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Less well known is the paradox of tolerance: Unlimited tolerance must lead to the disappearance of tolerance. If we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society against the onslaught of the intolerant, then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them. — In this formulation, I do not imply, for instance, that we should always suppress the utterance of intolerant philosophies; as long as we can counter them by rational argument and keep them in check by public opinion, suppression would certainly be unwise. But we should claim the right to suppress them if necessary even by force; for it may easily turn out that they are not prepared to meet us on the level of rational argument, but begin by denouncing all argument; they may forbid their followers to listen to rational argument, because it is deceptive, and teach them to answer arguments by the use of their fists or pistols. We should therefore claim, in the name of tolerance, the right not to tolerate the intolerant......(Popper 1945)

Speech directed at the intolerant may persuade bystanders. The more idiotic the intolerant person is, the easier it ought to be to persuade others that it’s unwise to join forces with such a person. Violence is a different thing. When violence starts, it’s time to call 911.

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Maybe it's both?
Maybe the folks who are spewing their opinions everywhere need to shut up for once and actually listen to others. Likewise those who keep silent maybe need to speak up more

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I will never understand why anyone feels they have the right to voice their opinions about anything and everything unless asked. Even when asked discretion never hurt anyone.

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corpses do not talk.

Anyone involved with forensics would disagree ???

@SimonCyrene No forensic here.

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More breaking balls! Less talking about it!

maybe the most brilliant response i have seen on here....no shit!

Tough talk. But does it mean anything?

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less hate speech.

the solution to too much garlic is less garlic. the solution to too many mice is get rid of some of the mice.

I'm unsure of whether this post means "more discourse" vs. "limit free speech by broadening the definition of hate speech/incitement", but if it does, then I go with the latter. Nazis don't need more discourse in the public forum, they need shut down. First stop them from spreading, THEN deal with them and try to bring them back into society.

Wrong!....Do not pass go; do not collect 200 dollars

this is about human rights, not recipe ingredients or furry mammals

@IamBane no, you are wrong

welcome to the third grade, but if you have a real argument I'd be glad to address it.

"I don't understand analogy, look how cool I am" is what you've said so far.

@HereticSin It's not understandable.....On a side note, why are u so condescending and dismissive? Is that some kind of defense mechanism when u feel slighted? Do u need a hug?

@IamBane yo didn't present an argument, you said, "no, you're wrong". and then accused me of dismissiveness? really?

good work if you can get it, I guess.

@IamBane, @jorj "logical conclusion"

"no, you're wrong".

if you can equate those two things, you're an idiot, fuck off.

@IamBane, @jorj the analogies I presented are clear to any rational person.

the solution to anything which is a problem is to have less of that thing. that's not an opinion based in irrational bias, it's fact.

if you don't think hate speech is a problem, then that's on you. if you think hate speech is a problem, then less of it is the solution.

is it a problem or not?

@jorj "you just lost this debate". okay, I lost the debate. that doesn't make hate speech less harmful to society, and it doesn't make defending it less deplorable.

and you are right, anyone with half a brain can see who is defending hate speech here.

@jorj "because you can't logically deal with me".

from someone who has refused to answer three binary questions, that's fucking laughable.

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why would either more or less speech be the solution, assuming there was even a solution? haters will always hate. to make the situation better, do two things: 1. tolerate hate speech less (which is NOT the same thing as less speech!) and 2. teach, by example, acceptance and love, which reduce, not eliminate, hate speech.

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