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Would like your opinion on this...there's a nurse I work with who basically hit on me at work. He's married. Im not interested but see him as a comrade as I do all my coworkers so it came as a shock. First he added me on facebook...which is fine, others have done the same. Then he became more chatty. Then a few days ago I noticed he touched my shoulders while talking to me and also once on my waste with one hand ...I noticed it but decided it was nothing weird or something others have done at one time or another so I forgot about it. Then the next day I asked him to waste a drug with me and he said, for you Id do anything. Then the next day in the OR during a case he just basically says to me...the pants you wore into work this morning made my day keep doing that. I turned bright red. I workout after work so I wear my workout clothes to work then change into scrubs. I found myself explaining this to him and embarrassed, ashamed. I said I wasn't wearing that anymore. He said no please do. That's why I sit by the scrub machine every morning eating breakfast. At this point I didn't know he was married. But I did feel uncomfortable. I laughed it off and tried to make a joke of it. I mentioned it to a female coworker who told me he was married with 4 kids. I was really kind of shocked but decided to pretend it never happened and avoid it in the future. Went home. Then he started messaging me...nice way to end the shift with you and other flirty things. I confronted him that he was married. He said...so can't a man give a woman a compliment as a friend? then he wanted to know if I would be attending the going away party at a bar for a scrub tech sat night. asked me twice if I would be there, said i need to start hanging out with my work family. I did not go. Im not sure the correct way to deal with this. I don't want to be weird or make a problem or anything bc i have to work with this person. I work at a small facility and we have a very close work family. Im hoping it doesn't ever come up again but if it does....how do I address it appropriately without creating tension?

lauraleigh38 6 Nov 17
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You have to tell him he's making you uncomfortable and to back off. Directly.

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I would do this.... Have a conversation with him in private. I would tell him that you are uncomfortable with his advances and don't really want to be the "bad guy" but will go to HR if he continues. If he tries to play it off as "one friend complimenting the other" then tell him you are uncomfortable with his compliments as you see it as more than that. SHUT HIM DOWN!

I'd also unfriend him (or whatever you call it) on FB. All he is going to do with that is fantasize anyway...

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I would suggest that you be absolutely honest about your feelings and explain to him the situation just as you did on here. If he doesn't respect that, then he is not a good person...you can't blame him for trying, but you can blame him for persisting..

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He sounds horribly manipulative and dishonest. The fact that he's as willing to hurt his wife by cheating speaks to his gross lack of character. I wouldn't want to even be friends with this creep. I pity the poor woman he tricked into marrying him. I'd give him exactly one warning to back off before reporting his behavior.

Deb57 Level 8 Nov 18, 2018
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Let this guy know emphatically that you do NOT seek relationships beyond professional interactions with married men. Especially at work. Inform him that all communication between you moving forward will be work related and professional or you will escalate the matter to your HR department.

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whatever happened to free love ?
Like free stuff, it's part of the new leftist tradition of sharing everything that ain't yours

moxy Level 4 Nov 18, 2018

I don't think you quite understand socialism but feel free to try to prove otherwise in a more appropriate thread please.

someone doesn't understand politics or relationships.

Stick your thumb up a socialist's butt and you will discover property boundaries>
Something you all don't believe exists

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You don't need to overreact, and if you do he may well accuse you of misconstruing him being friendly. I think you know what you need to say - in a nice way tell him that there are professional boundaries you would like to stick to and some of his comments have caused you embarrassment. That should probably do it without too much awkwardness. If he ever says he would like to know you better than just as a work colleague, that's your chance to say "Great, how about introducing me to your wife and kids?". 🙂

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let's keep this professional...........

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There’s plenty of advice already posted. It sounds like you’ve already told him you’re not interested in anything more than a professional relationship. The next inappropriate contact must be reported to HR, although I understand that women’s complaints about harassment often are discounted and you have to be prepared for an inadequate response. . He’s putting you in an uncomfortable position. Protect yourself in anyway you must.Find allies at work. Keep his texts as evidence.

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As an RN who’s had to endure more than enough of this disgusting behavior. You are not in the wrong here. He continued to take advantage of a situation. He overstepped the professional relationship with the moment he made an inappropriate comment and touched you in an inappropriate way.
Whether he is married, single or engaged does not factor into the equation.
You’re trying to rationalize his irrational behavior. The guy is a pig, it’s not complicated.
Has anyone else noticed this behavior? The last thing you want to do become a subject of gossip.
When you do report, you go directly to HR.

I agree he is a pig. I have known many men in my professional career who cheat on their wife. I come right and say I do not and never would do such a thing. Even at this time I was in a terrible marriage and wanted out. I am not a pig nor a disgusting male who throws his shit around daily. Tell this ass to shut it down/ So sorry many women have to go through this and it is very common, we all know this, including men.

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Back in the day I handled this first by saying "I don't date co-workers". Period.

It later bit me in the ass with single co-workers. lol
But in today's work environment it's not a bad way to present it.

If it happens even once more? I'd say go to a superior. Frankly it's harassment. That's why companies have seminars.

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Inform him that what he is doing is legally classified as sexual harrassment, and there are policies in place concerning that behavior in the workplace. Futhermore, you respect his ability as a fellow nurse, but do not appreciate his "compliments", and if they don't cease you will be forced to lodge a harrassment complaint with HR.

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The fact that you're here asking means he's gone over the threshold. You are uncomfortable with the situation, and you should not have to put up with this situation to make a living. Forget the notion of not making this a big deal, forget the notion of hurting his feelings, your security in the work you do is critical. Tell him to back off or you will report him.

godef Level 7 Nov 18, 2018

Yes this is what I should have said. My meter is set differently from the times I grew up in.

** THIS IS CORRECT ^^

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You can be nice, and straight forward at the same time. A simple "Please stop, you're making me uncomfortable," would be a good start. Any tension after that will be totally on him.

WHY should she be "nice" to him?
He's a married man, and he's hitting on her at work.
Being "nice" to him isn't going to do anything to discourage him.
Being "nice" is what has allowed assholes like him to get away with they do.

@KKGator Being nice isn't for him ... it's for her. Just because someone else is a jerk doesn't mean you have to be. Unless you want to, then go for it! 😉

@GinaKay I get what you're saying, but I really believe that is what has allowed the problem to get so out of hand. In this case, and every other.

@KKGator Maybe you are right. I have been accused many times of being too nice. Good girl syndrom and all that. But not standing up for myself and not acting was the real problem. Not wanting to cause a scene or becoming emotional could leave me frozen. Learning to say "Stop" is sometimes the best some of us can do. For starters. I'm much better at standing up for someone else.

@KKGator For what it's worth, this has MeToo written all over it.

@godef Honestly, I don't give a flying rat's ass about #MeToo. I don't think it's making a damned bit of difference. This crap isn't going to stop unless and until those who are being victimized (both women and men) speak up, LOUDLY and immediately. Make a scene. Scream "NO!!!" as loud as humanly possible. Make the asshole the center of attention and as uncomfortable as possible, IN THE MOMENT. Everyone who has experienced this, and is experiencing this, has got to grow a spine and start calling the assholes out right then and there, regardless of where they are and when it's happening, OR who is doing it.

@KKGator I fully agree if you are not okay with what is happening you need to stand up for yourself and you need to tell him that he is wrong you are not interested and to leave you alone

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My original comment was sent at 57 comments and counting... now it is 91. I don't know about this guy or how you will decide to manage going forward but boy, at least you should thank him for getting about a zillion points on this thread !!!

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Tell him to stop and that you are friendly only in a work sort of way. Be firm but polite and then watch him like a hawk. Watch to see if he is going to lie on you or undermine you in any way. If he does, then you have to take this to a higher level and that is not always fun because it affects the work place situation. Some men take a hint. Others are total assholes.

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I honestly don't understand why so many people are trying to be "nice" about this.
She didn't create the problem, HE did. Why should she be going out of her way to be "nice" about dealing with this?
That is EXACTLY why sexual harassment in the workplace has become such a huge problem.
STOP being "nice" about it. Make HIS life miserable. He's an asshole.

@Donotbelieve I'm so sick of this "why can't we all just get along" bullshit. We can't all get along because assholes take advantage and ruin it for everyone else. Make the assholes start having to deal with the consequences of being an asshole. HE is the asshole in this scenario, NOT her. Who gives a fuck about HIS job? He obviously doesn't care too terribly much if he's willing to risk his livelihood over trying to get a piece of ass.
Fuck him. Blow his life up.

@Donotbelieve Exactly.
I'm telling you, scorched earth is the only way to stop it.

Basically said the same thing before seeing yours!

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Threaten to tell his wife publicly, if he doesn't stop, and if your employer doesn't
handle it to your satisfaction.
Print out all communications with him. Show him you have it (have copies in case he snatches what you show him--cover your ass).
Tell him if he doesn't leave you alone, and not interfere with the
work environment, you will give his wife everything.

Get a lawyer and prepare to sue him and your employer. You might need to.
Especially since his behavior is effecting your work environment.
Who knows? He may have done the same thing to some of your coworkers.

When people start shit with others (bullies), they don't expect their victims to fight back. I don't believe in simply fighting back. That usually doesn't put a stop to it.
You have to come back with scorched earth. Blow up their world. They don't expect that.

STOP being nice to assholes. Ruin THEIR lives. They don't care about what
they do to yours.

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I would ask, very gently, why you've let it get this far already and why you don't know what to do about it. I don't want to suggest that you've done anything wrong. He is in the wrong. However, you have had the power to put a stop to his behavior at any point and you have chosen not to.

Consider this. The work environment is already tense. Who's feeling tense? You. He's the one who created a tense work environment, not you. Why do you feel reluctant to make it feel tense for him instead of for you?

His comment about your pants was inappropriate, not you wearing the pants. But instead of his comments ending, you wearing the pants ended.

Him asking you about going to the work party was inappropriate but again, instead of you insisting he change his behavior, your behavior changed.

Again I want to emphasize that you haven't done anything wrong. I've been where you are at and been unable to put an end to inappropriate behavior in others. There will always be people around you who are willing to push boundaries, men, women, and children. Even though they are the ones in the wrong, you still have to be the one who puts a stop to it. I've learned to do so and my life is so much better for it.

It's not a change you can make overnight but if you work at it, you can get to the point where when people do things like he's doing, you instantly shut it down. But you have to first know that it's okay for you to do that and that it's possible to get to that point if you work at it.

I'd like to also mention that his behavior is wrong whether he is married or not. His marriage makes it more offensive but even if he wasn't married, he's still being a creep. As you deal with this, don't make it about him being married.

Yes! This! Well said

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Just say whats on your mind strait forwardly. You have the impression that he is hitting on you even if it is not what h intends, that you do not want him in your space, not interested in sharing personal information or closeness and tell him to keep an appropriate topic as working associates.

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Politely tell him that you are not interested, that his attentions are making you uncomfortable and that he needs to restrict his behavior to activities and comments typical of casual work friend and coworkers. (Reasoning: one of the first questions is going to deal with how you responded to his comments and advances. If you haven’t told him “No!” Your case is weakened— even if it should not be.)

Keep that list up to date and current.
If you can, do that in text or email and save it. Save it it with a full list of actions(as you described them above as a start) with as much detail, date, place and time and witnesses, if any, as you can. (Reasoning: information, as noted, is important to making your case. Make it specific and contemporaneous.)

Save that info, etc. If he does not stop the behaviors that make you uncomfortable, politely tell him if they continue, that you will have no choice but to complain to your company.

If it occurs again, then, file a formal complaint with the appropriate magemrnt offici/officer.

Good luck.

Document, document, document. It works.

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You don't have to be willing to put up with his unwonted attentions just to work with him. Ask yourself which you would prefer: putting up with his advances for the year(s) to come; or feeling the residual tension if you tell him that you wouldn't go out with him even if he wasn't married. Sometimes a stiff distance is better than a touchy-feely closeness on the job.

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For you: document everything that has happened. Be prepared to tell all.
Talk to more than one person about this now.

Be clear: tell him to stop. Do this in front of someone you trust if he does not stop.

To understand him more: An interesting perspective about this: Esther Perel "the state of affairs - rethinking infidelity"
She maintains that the changes in marriage about 100 years ago, and the women's rights changes, haver resulted in insane expectations from having only one significant other. Hence, the number of happily married people exploring new types of relationships.

"to understand him more"!!!! Why should she? HE bloody well knows he is out of line. Why is it always the woman who has to understand where the man is coming from?

@MsDemeanour . . in general it is not about just women. And any one misrepresenting themselves and intentions should be banished.
Esther Perel is exploring the cultural changes that both men and women are experiencing. BIrth control for women is a big change for humans. We still don't know how to deal with that and the reality that everyone wants and needs sexual interaction.

@Jacar well I mean actually you've got a good point there....but he still needs a beat down..

@Freespirit64 . . . Prolly wouldn't hurt. And she might get some release.

For me this is about the assumptions we accept from society about what is acceptable in this period of serial-monogamy. "What is cheating" is at the core of Esther's exploration.

She is explaining that even the best of relationships have "cheating." And it is not primarily the man. And it is not because of any problems in the relationship as is the default goto for an explanation.

But, deception is a form of lying. I am sad anyone has to feel they have found themselves do so, or needing to.

In another thread a women was asking about her need for manly attention because her husband had become an ass. Should she spend the rest of her life celibate because of some undefined vows based upon outdated social "norms" and "morality?" He had essentially broken his vows to her. Is she still obligated?

I think this is a very complicated issue. Cheating is rarely just about sex. It is about how a person thinks about themselves, their human needs, and how the circumstances of their lives are changing.

But, what do I know. I am merely a man.

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Jeez.
Checking back when I find the post count has hit 100. And, it seems I'm the only one recommending a swift, and conclusive solution to this. Although @Kkgator comes pretty close. What the heck is wrong with you people? Be nice? Be "gentle"??? Someone should take this clod out to the parking lot and beat the tar out of him.

What you don't understand being male, is that there will always be for us women that 'fear factor of what if?'. What goes through our minds is this "He is bigger than me. He could hurt me. He could rape me" "i do not want to get him offside or angry".

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I would just be open n truthful and tell this person in no uncertain terms your beliefs preclude u from any relationship with a married person

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