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I've recently given up my faith because of a few comments people gave made to me here...Thanks! Now that I know for Sure there isn't a God, how do I decide what is right morally. Should I just base it on evolution?

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You're a busy little fella aren't you? Losing God, looking for a mistress to replace the wife you are separated from and all. All in one Sunday afternoon.

And he is a gay straight man living in Washington, D.C. which is apparently very dangerous for openly gay men.

Lol, "There is fuckery afoot". That´s a cool cat.

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Are you saying you don't know Right from Wrong because you no longer believe in Divine Punishment and Reward? Bullshit. You either know Right from Wrong, or you are a psychopath. In either case, do unto others as you would have done to you is one of the only things religion got right. Base your decisions on that, if you can't figure it out for yourself.

Kafirah Level 8 Apr 14, 2019

Not like that....no...my question is about absolute morality...

@Todoeltiempo That's more of a human rights issue, and it still conforms to the Golden Rule. Basically, everyone (absolutely EVERYONE) deserves the same human rights. No exceptions.Treat everyone as you would wish to be treated. It's really that simple. Use empathy and compassion and kindness liberally. Throw in as much respect as possible in the process. Pretty simple stuff.

@Todoeltiempo There are laws. Instead of going to he'll, you go to jail. There are life choices that you decide. How were you raised. What are the norms of your community. And as so many have said, do unto others as you would have done unto you. I don't see what is so difficult.

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"recently given up my faith because of a few comments people gave made to me here" <-- Which one of the 5 posts you have commented on helped you become sure there isn't a god?

If you don't know the difference between right and wrong without god, maybe you should go back to religion.

icolan Level 7 Apr 14, 2019

Good observation. I have never met a religious person who has been persuaded to give up their beliefs.

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I've been an atheist for decades, and I strive to live my life in accordance with the Golden Rule, as espoused by Confucius - if you don't want it done to you, don't do it to others.

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As Gene Wilder said, the only moral needed is empathy. If you wouldn't want it done to you, don't do it to others. Talking all life here, not just human. But be realistic as well as perfection is beyond all of us thank fuck. That would be boring.

powder Level 8 Apr 14, 2019
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Golden rule.. do unto others... treat people how you want to be treated.

Dreugan Level 4 Apr 14, 2019
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My troll detector is twitching but it could be mistaken as religion does strange things to people

Moravian Level 7 Apr 15, 2019

And all it took was 10 minutes worth of debate on an obscure agnostic dating/community site to make the conversion. Simply amazing! The Lord does work in mysteries ways.....

@Shouldbefishing ------------ his wonders to perform

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Troll post.

I'm not a troller

@Todoeltiempo

Fair enough. I'm not sure what you are expecting with your questions. It's as if you have this idea that atheists/agnostics do not have morals and would be open to being involved in a "cheating relationship" scenario. Cheating is abhorrent. You are openly choosing to be deceptive and dismissive of your wife's feelings and seeking to involve someone else in this duplicity.

Maybe that is what you were taught during your religious upbringing but it is the farthest thing from the truth. You should really do some serious research before coming onto a site with these incorrect suppositions and ridiculous questions. (How the hell is morality supposed to be related to the theory of evolution?)

The reason that you come off as a troll is because religious people like to set up these types of situations as a "gotcha" moment. Offering the "heathens" an opportunity to prove their immorality then holding their religious selves up as paragons of virtue. Agnostics/Atheists are more moral than any religious sect throughout history.

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Morality is common sense. We kno what is right and wrong. Don't need in imaginary man in the sky to tell us.

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"how do I decide what is right morally" - Have you ever tried common sense?

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You don't need religious bs to define your morality. The book of fairy tales did that part right. Just be more open minded tords people who are different from you.

freedom41 Level 8 Apr 14, 2019

Ok!

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You don't know what is right or what is wrong? I am sure you do.
I never believe in god and I always knew the difference between both.

margarida Level 5 Apr 15, 2019
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One does not need religion to have a conscience.

JanGarber Level 7 Apr 15, 2019
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Do you seriously need help deciding how to be a good person?

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I go with the coin toss method of choosing morality. If i am faced with a moral conundrum or just a everyday hum drum conundrum, and I can't seem to find a moral choice in my heart I flip a coin.
This morning I had a meeting at the bank. I was feeling really excited and nervous about the meeting. I was hoping after this meeting all my debts could be paid, and I might have some extra funds to spend on my bucket list. I was so excited and nervous I couldn't decide on what color ski mask to wear with my outfit. I tossed a coin, and it decided basic black, as I have heard it goes with almost anything. I wanted to look good cause i knew my meeting would be televised!

Stevil Level 8 Apr 15, 2019
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i don't understand what evolution has to do with morality. evolution is not a moral code. have you picked up a science book in your life? meanwhile, do you NOT know what is wrong or right? are you wondering whether to start robbing banks and raping infants? i think most folks know the difference between wrong and right without relying on a big ol' book with a gazillion conflicting translations. you can decide for yourself whether to eat fish on friday but i think you know not to trip the little old lady trying to cross the street.

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p.s. did you ever figure out that lying is kind of a bad thing? how the hell can you be an atheist, an agnostic, a secularist and religious all at once? i gave you the benefit of an honest answer before looking at your profile because, well, i DO that. now all i am doing is thinking what a creep you must be.

genessa Level 8 Apr 14, 2019
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Morality is largely based on the availability of resources and the stability of a given culture. When the chips are down as it were during times of chaos, anarchy, war, natural disaster morality is a much harder concept. For you I would ask why do you find value in morality as a real world choice? God or no the same reasons apply as to why people choose to be moral; threat of punishment, wanting to be treated well, social acceptance, cultural norms. Really all you need to do is decide for yourself what constitutes moral action and follow that. Evolution has no room or care for morality accept as a abstract supporting action that maximizes survival and success which general means ensuring your genes continue into the next generation.

Quarm Level 6 Apr 14, 2019

@Womanatheist I agree. That said society needs a binding force to keep cohesion and for most of recorded History religion bad or good provided a big part of that cohesion. Also all people to one extent or another have a conscious save the rare mentally ill person. One thing to remember though is it is far easier to have a conscious in a functioning society. The choices one faces in places like Syria, Iraq, parts of Africa, Central America....are alien to most Americans. Me I know I am a person who tries to be good and I feel I succeed but I know it is dangerous to have certainty in a such a thing. That is my biggest problem with religion is it often undermines a thinking conscious in favor of dogma, fear and bigotry.

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I don't believe there is a god...but how do you know for sure there isn't one? Also, how did you decide what was right or wrong before you stopped believing in a god? Are you saying all of your moral decisions were somehow based on what some holy text said?

Exactly what I was thinking

@Leeshi Great minds...

I don't get it

Hey welcome back! 💙

@RavenCT Good to be back

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You are rushing this, the 40 days of reflection alone in the wilderness are essential. Please do not come back until completed.

Allamanda Level 8 Apr 14, 2019

@Antifred this would make a poem!

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First thing to remember: never capitalize "god."

Jacar Level 8 Apr 15, 2019
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You know how the salmon in the ocean return to the sweet water rivers where they were spawned and how the swallows return to their nests ever year? Built in compass.
You have one . too. Learn to lsten to it. Meditate every day to learn to be still.

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It makes you wonder how cultures and communities survived b4 exposure to christian/islam/judiasm I mean, how did they know how to nurture their young, care for their elderly or cooperate with each other communally? Weird, its almost like we evolved naturally to favor behaviors that are condusive to our individual and collective survival. :tldr yes. base it on evolution.

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I recently watched "After life" by Ricky Gervias on Netflix and this very question was answered.

"So if theres no god, whats to stop you murdering, raping and stealing as much as you want?"
"I do"
"What do you mean?"
"I do. I murder, rape and steal as much as I want to"
"But you dont"
"Yes I do"
"You don't murder and rape people"
"Thats because I don't want to. Not because some book tells me not to and I was the type of person that wanted to murder and rape? I doubt if some book would stop me anyway"

273kelvin Level 8 Apr 15, 2019
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Base it on pragmatism. Don't do anything to someone else you would not like done to you.

dahermit Level 7 Apr 15, 2019
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You really need to figure these things out for yourself.

jerry99 Level 8 Apr 14, 2019
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