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I'm curious about what people on this site feel about the simulation hypothesis. In all honesty, I find the argument somewhat valid. As far as belief systems go, it is the most logical and by far more believable then any religious/spiritual postulacion yet contrived. Again, I would love to hear any feedback whatsoever even if you're adamantly dismissive of the concept, provided you do so with respect and decency. Thank you

contravalid 4 May 26

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Never heard of it. could you explain what it's all about ?

Yep. A link to a short, succinct brief would be nice.

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@Austin-Cambridge No

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i have never heard of the simulation hypothesis so i cannot comment on it, itself, but i can certainly wonder why one needs a belief system. having a belief system seems iffy in and of itself, regardless of what that system is.

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So, explain the entire history of the Solar System, since several bajillions of years ago....?
Such ego-centricity!

Sorry but I don't understand what it is you are asking, and I genuinely want to intellectually "tighten up," so to speak. I very much value your retort, and I would love to respond to your question. Please, could you provide me more to work with.

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It does explain the lost socks in the dryer phenomena.

I found a sock UNDER the washing machine the other day lol

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I file it under 'True or not, it changes nothing'

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A mind all logic is like a knife all blade, it makes the hand bleed that uses it.

There is no evidence that we are in a simulation. So until then...

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What makes u find the argument valid ? What makes u find it " logical " and believable ?

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There seems to be an assumption in comments below that "being in a simulation" means that we humans are in fact real in some sense outside the simulation (a real brain in a real vat in a real universe?).

What if we're simulated too?

I find it fascinating that we find it so hard to put ourselves completely within any cosmological model. We always tend to see ourselves as separate from it in some way (and sometimes in every way). The same way some once thought the earth has to be at the center of the universe because man lives on the earth, and man is the top of the great chain of being, and that's how god would have made it if he made it. The same way evolution can't be true because humanity is special and not literally related to every other living thing. The same way climate change can't be real because god made the earth for us, and the science of polution can't trump the power of god!

We always start with the assumption that we are special.

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Well a glitch in the Matrix might explain why my car keys and TV remotes are never where I thought I left them.

If I throw 100 random items in a drawer and leave it for 3 months, I'll come back and they'll be in exactly the same arrangement as when I left them there. I simply don't believe anyone creating a simulation would have gone to this level of detail. They'd have just programmed us not to notice the flaws. We're looking at a system that can remember the location of every particle in our universe, and processing power that can handle every interaction between each of those particles.

Though perhaps my consciousness is at the centre of this simulation, and it only needs to replicate and maintain my known universe. That's another possibility. It would be a lot easier to implement, since only my universe would need to be created and stored.

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I'm afraid that I think that it is stupid. The science is much more believable.

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I think it really is a simulation in a certain sense. We create our own reality through imagination. Behind the scenes lies ultimate reality which we can not understand in terms of our space/time/matter model.

To say that we are nothing but simulated characters is not the whole story. The physical world, including our bodies is a sort of simulation but we seem to have a higher existence, as evidenced by free will and conscious awareness. We are the programmer.

The simulation hypothesis as usually presented opens up more questions than it answers. I like Donald Hoffman’s ideas.

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Maybe it's true, but how can you know?
And how does it make a difference if you can never know for sure?
After all, you have to live the life you have, there is no way to escape from it (except suicide).

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The idea that the universe and all it's content including our world, all the history accumulated in our rocks and our painful evolution scientifically is all a simulation, computer generated or otherwise, is as probable an explanation as Genesis is! I would rather worship a creator than a programmer and where did our great programmer in the heavens come from, and so on, atheism for me is the disbelief in theories as well as deities.

What theories do you think Atheists disagree with?
I find the idea of gods to be ridiculous as mankind has created over 50,000 gods in the history of this earth. Not a single one of those gods has any evidence or proof to support their existence. There is however, hundreds of scientific theories that are proven, rational and logical supported by mountains of data and research. Gods are based on superstitions, and beliefs, none of which has ever been researched or evidence presented.

@Dicaron Any that involve deities and lead to organized religion or in the case of the proposition made in the post, totally outrageous given our knowledge of the evolution of our world.

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It kinda explains why there's so much crazy shit in the world. When the game gets boring, it's time to throw in a new earthquake or asteroid strike or maybe a crazy-ass president.

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Je pense, donc je suis.
Descartes

That's actually a very deep thought from a guy that was extremely religious

@IamNobody
Very much agree

@darthfaja you were supposed to say oui !!! 😊😊😊

since no one translated "i think, therefore i am".

i prefer another iteration:
i think i think.
therefore i think i am.
i think.

can't remember who that was from.

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Not up with this but simulation suggests it was created. By a creator. A deity or deity race.
Sorry, atheist.

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I won't accept it unless some valid evidence for it is shown.

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I see it in a similar light as I see the 'free will' question.

How do we tell if it's true or not? What is the differentiator? If 'A', then it's all a simulation. Else 'not A', it's all real (whatever that is).

If you can't figure out how to tell one way or the other, play it however you want to. Nobody else will be able to see the difference either.

It leaves things in the agnostic realm; unknown and probably unknowable. That being the case, it's just as logical to assume we are not in a simulation. If you can't tell the difference, why assume (believe) it's a simulation? To do so would seem to me to be substituting religion with simulation belief.

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If there is an alien civilization or entity powerful enough to simulate reality down to the quantum level, then how is that any different from theological concepts of divine pantheons or the Prime Mover creating heaven and earth? The evidence for either is the same.

gearl Level 7 May 27, 2019
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I have no use for such theories.
I think they're nonsense, with nothing to support them.
I am most definitely adamantly dismissive of that nonsense.

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I don't really think this is all a simulation. It could be. I'm just inclined to think it's not. But I like to play The Devil's Advocate.

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Poe wrote a poem with similar type thoughts. "Dream within a dream." I think if we are sims and the entire universe is a sim, why would there be death?

Why wouldn't there? Out with the old in with the new!

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I think it’s great in that it shows the ability of the human mind. I really don’t buy it. So if it is true what’s the point. The theory models that of god. So if true are controllers god? so god does exist? I believe that if this is a simulation what’s the point? W

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I can't get my head around that. My husband used to say that this is an experiment in a sixth grade science class. Kinda like an ant farm.

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Feelimgs and beliefs instead of reason and facts ,I'll pass.

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Either way, I'll keep doing my thing. If it is a simulation, I'm not Neo so I won't find my way out. I will keep on keepin' on.

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