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IS MONSANTO SATAN? THE PLEASURE AND PROBLEM OF CONSPIRACY THEORY
A long but interesting article written by a religious writer about the inherent problems of communicating about popular fallacies.
[religiondispatches.org]

CrazyQuilter 7 July 19
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The big problem with conspiracy theory is that it ever changes and is often based on some old writings like Revelation in the bible. This makes it usable by any person who wants to manipulate the people for any reason whatsoever.

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Not Satan... Satan was a dissident good guy. Those in CONTROL of most large corporations are EVIL : Psychopaths/sociopaths/narcissists. No concern for other than themselves. No politics. No morals. No guilt.

JacarC Level 8 July 20, 2019
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Side note: [businessinsider.com]

"The German drugmaker and chemical company Bayer has finalized a $66 billion blockbuster deal to gobble up the agricultural behemoth Monsanto.
On Monday, Bayer said it would drop Monsanto's 117-year-old title.
The name drop appears to be part of a strategic move geared at distancing the colossal new company from negative publicity surrounding Monsanto and genetically modified organisms."

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I think these people (Monsanto) actually feel they are doing the world a good thing. The Green revolution is failing and more and more people are starving so some scientists feel they need to find a way to feed the Billions of people that inhabit and will inhabit even more in the future.

An amateur orchard group (Western Cascade Fruit Society - [wcfs.org] was visiting Northern Italy and some 30 of us went. We visited an AG college and several professors spoke to us. They were really upset that the community did not support their research into chemical products that helped stem the tide of pests ad diseases. Didn't they know how hard they were working to help humankind feed itself? The really funny thing was that these people didn't realize they were speaking to a group that strongly advocated organic means of fruit production. We all just looked at each other and shook our heads.

I totally agree that people at Monsanto (including some of the higher-ups) believe what they are doing is good. But as people we are also very inclined to view the world to justify our own beliefs, and selectively (and subconsciously) distort what we see (or don't see) in the world. The question really is what is objectively "good" for the world. It isn't subjective intent, but a rigorous understanding of the world around us. That's not me talking. That's Albert Camus. I am just paraphrasing his words...

I don't know why @CrazyQuilter believe that you were suggesting this, but it is an undeniable fact that people (most if not all people) alter the facts (that is, our perception of facts) to fit our belief system on daily basis.

It isn't the question (it never was and never should be) whether Monsanto is evil (who cares really), but what impacts do they have on the rest of the world, what gains and powers that it enjoys at the expense of what and whom. It isn't whether an individual in a mob is really mostly good or evil, but what the mob does. People organized in power structures, as a collective entity, do things that are indistinguishable from evil. Zimbardo's Stanford Prison experiment is but a single indication of that tendency.
[en.wikipedia.org]

Collective behaviors of a corporation, if attributed to a person, would be characterized as psychopathic, in its relentless pursuit of profit. There is no one person at the top dictating evil. But that doesn't make what a particular corporation does morally (or otherwise) acceptable. It isn't a single corporation either. The power structure is largely determined by our shared beliefs about the world (capitalism being one). An evil as an intent is largely irrelevant.

@CrazyQuilter Facts are often subjective. I simply stated what we heard in Italy and which is the same I have heard from the pharmaceutical researchers. These companies are too big to have all it's employees doing evil things.

Again, these people feel they are increasing the food supply to keep up with a growing population. All the problems GMO's create are simply the nature of the beast. We have had many presentations and talk here on Lopez and became one of the first GMO free counties in the nation. Stating facts and knowledge does not mean support.

@AtheistReader It never ceases to amaze me how simply stating an observation puts one on the chopping block.

I remember when 'W' was rattling the saber for war with Iraq. Our Senator (who still is) Patty Murray went to Iraq on a fact finding mission. She was branded a traitor. Look where that assumption got us. People really need to open up and use their sense of reason. Thanks for the comment.

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“This is why believing in Satan is so dangerous—and so tempting: If he really exists, we can protect our most deeply held beliefs by blaming any opposition on the work of a great deceiver. There is no need for dialogue. In fact, dialogue is inadvisable, because the deceiver is so powerful that any contact risks corruption. Best to avoid it entirely, lest you end up like Bill Nye, the Science Guy, who changed his mind on GMOs after visiting Monsanto.”

Is Trump satan in some circles?

@OwlInASack why use an obsolete term?

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Boring false analogies incompetent writer Alan is a religionist in the linked article

@CrazyQuilter telling the truth about this writer is not an attack....he claimed corporations like Apple and Monsanto pursue their claims in courts equally....that and many other messages by this messenger do not support his conclusions....true he details extreme behavior by opponents of Monsanto wearing gas masks opposing GMOs is well taken but the bulk of his discussion is religious and setting up the canard "conspiracy theorists" which attacks factual critics and extremists equally with one broad swipe and he complains people claim h was bribed by Monsanto to interview and tour their facilities....his kind of drivel is boring

@CrazyQuilter without reading the 2nd article all the farm workers dead or dying of non-hodgkin's lymphoma are beneficiaries of bad lawyers twisting courts into billion dollar settlement schemes ? There is no trace of glycophosphates in the cadavers or biopsies ????

@CrazyQuilter why are you echoing religious nuts and side issues of huge legal fees when the only science matter is causality and harm ?

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