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Tell me, what's your best argument against a Christian?

godlessinal 7 Aug 2
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I have "believers" who are friends. We usually don't talk religion but when we do it's very civil. We respect each others beliefs or non-belief. One question I bring up is: If all the major religions (not even including the 100+ spinoffs) claim that their "god" is the one true god (or gods) and believers in all of these religions will honestly claim that their god has helped them with life altering problems (healing them, getting them the job, etc), who's god IS the one true one??? Every believer is just as devout, what makes YOUR god the one true one and not theirs? They can never answer me...

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funny, when i was a teenager & used to go to taverns & i remember getting into religious discussions. i doubt if i've been in one for the last 50 yrs. i remember one point they had trouble with. so god created everything--but what created god?

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Depends on the person. I enjoy coming across the YECs (young earthers) though. They usually start it off with something about evolution and some variant of "why do we have monkeys" line. Then I ask if their religion is true, why do we have new religions popping up. The look on their face is worth it, even if the argument worth less than a chocolate fireplace.

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"Your shoes are on the wrong feet." "Stop talking to me."

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Common sense...

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God can’t be omnipresent because that means he is the devil. And if he isn’t the devil, there are places that God isn’t, therefore God is not omnipresent.

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If you don't get to heaven because no one told you about Christ and all its teaching whose fault will that be?. Do you think you could have reached heaven by your own discoveries and without being told what to do? If not, what would you do to rectify it without asking people who have not proved what they have been told?

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I stop the conversation in it's tracks by saying I giveth not one shit about the topic. Verse 2: push off before I shovest thou. Verse 3-5: Dost thou haveth a lighter I can borrow? It came to pass that mine went dead. Now leaveth me in peace.

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Depends on what nonsense they introduce.

One Christian preacher claimed religion was beneficial to society. After a long (about half an hours) chat, I demonstrated this was the opposite of reality as faith (the foundation of religion) is a dishonest recognition as truth based on assumed facts (things that can be demonstrated) wreck the way people make discussions. He teared up when he relied he was part of an illness and not a benefit to society. Felt sorry for him and told him about the Clergy Project when he responded - - You're right but what can I do?

Another whimpered like a beaten dog when I demonstrated his his "There can be only one truth and Jesus is the truth because there can only be one truth. . . " Felt kind of sorry for him.

Dozens of different responses depends on their assertion. The most important stance is to press their burden to demonstrate their god not my burden to demonstrate their god does not exist.

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Depends on the topic!

is that a pun !?!

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The best argument and one that won me over is to look at the history. There is only one historical piece of evidence that mentions Jesus. The person who wrote it was born 5 years after his death. The book of the gospels were found 50 to 100 years after his death and we don’t even know who wrote them. Christianity was just one of many religions at the time. It didn’t become popular until Constantine. Constantine did not convert to Christianity. You can look at the statues and see he still believe in other gods and only used Christianity to control.

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When Christians knock at my door and ask me if they can come in and I say YES. So I let them to start talking about their beliefs. Then I show them Genesis 3:16 and I ask Why the Bible God punished women with pain in childbirth? Then the Christians said because of Eve's sins. Then I said to them, I'm against of Christianity and other religions for the following reasons :
The cruelty of religious indoctrination against humanity, the discrimination of women's rights, the role of women's submission, and the elevation of men status over women. Then to stop the discussion I handle to them a pamphlet about Good without God and I walk them to the door.

Never let them in. It’s said that most break ins are by those having been inside your house 🙂

@Varn , thanks for the advice .

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I don't waste my time.

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It's not logical to believe a vindictive God would punish people for trillions and trillions and trillions of years.

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If you go for logic, you will fail every time. You have to use emotional reasoning and a little manipulation.

You would need to really understand what they want and then demonstrate how life without god provides that. Many people turn to religion because it makes them feel secure about their life and eventual death. Showing how you can live life to the fullest without crossing moral boundaries may give them pause about how they chose to live.

That all being said, do not just ask them what their reason is, because they will rationalize something that may or may not be true.

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In my world the bible book as we know it today was put together long after the Jesus that we are taught about. Like 300 years later. Believers think that after Pentecost the "good news" traveled like wild fire and was something that just could not be stopped. Wrong! It all came into being for a reason and had nothing to do with you as an individual or that thing you call your "soul." Before this time many books that are now discredited were used by churches. They slowly died out once the "infallible bibble" had been formulated and declared. Today the ones that survive are called false doctrine.

This is the anti-Christian argument. For others you have to go into their individual holy books. It is possible to get believers to a point of seeing what you are talking about but they still insist that "surely there must be a god." Mankind has always wanted there to be one so badly that they have created him.

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I've become wise enough to learn there is none. You can't bring arguments to a conversation where they do not apply.

Edu_0 Level 4 Aug 3, 2019
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You're stupid and you look funny?

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Natural theology cannot logically affirm a creator god let alone a triune god, and special revelation is replete with contradictions and at least a couple of historical errors

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I don't really argue with them. I will, however, tell them that their god makes no sense.

Yes, I also never argue but I like to debate 🙂

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The time delay from what was said to happen and when it was actually written about. Also, that what we have of those writings are even older than when written and also many of them show the changes that were made in them.

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