Gee I am shocked ,An old lady shocked by old white guys posting their opinions on a poll.

@godlessguy what you call "opinions" I, and many, many others recognonize as racism, hatred, and xenophobia based on Nothing, any more than the historical demonization & hatred of Italians, Irish, and Chinese immigrants (to name just a few) was detrimental to our country.

@AnneWimsey That’s your opinion and nothing more .

@godlessguy history is Fact, and history teaches us(or should teach you) that "different" is NOT terrible.

@AnneWimsey Your equating hatred towards individuals due to their ethnicity and disparaging remarks aimed at Islam which is a religion is not a valid comparison .

@tiredofthis1 Besides being invalid it is downright stupid

@tiredofthis1 you are confused. I hate generalizations about any group . And to say STUPID generalizations would be redundant,

Trying to protect this country and the people in it is hate??

You may have racism and religion confused. Race is skin color, facial features, etc. Religion is a thought process. Some ideas are good and some are bad. Islam is not really a religion, it is an ideology that does not include separation of church and state. One of the main ideas of Islam is killing apostates.

The poll question is being asked everyday in this country by thousands of people, so I guess we can assume that asking the question on this site is not a major deal.

@Grecio I didn't use the word racism here. I used the word prejudiced. There are other dangerous ideologies, like White Supremacy, which should similarly be kept out as well, but I don't see them mentioned in the question. In the US, White Supremacists have killed more Americans than radical Muslims have…

@Krish55, Of course, you are right about the white supremest. Let's try to keep them out also. I think the census should ask the question " Do you believe in the separation of church and state"? However, I guess we don't have to believe in the constitution. So the Constitution is a living document that can be changed anytime. Just saying..

It is not a racist post .

@godlessguy Says the guy who just called Islamic people a "disease that needs to be eradicated" have you any idea how filthy that sounds?

@LenHazell53 I see your point.

@LenHazell53 He is correct ,Islam is not a race so tell me how it is racist .

@granny I never said it it was racist, it is however bigoted and prejudice against a social grouping in a way that is comparable with racism.
But of course you knew this and you were just being pedantic at best or a troll at worst.

@LenHazell53 Again with the troll bullshit .Everyone you people disagree with are trolls .Well in that case you are a troll because I disagree with you

@godlessguy Yes I have noticed the reoccurring pitiful habit of labeling people trolls that members disagree with.

@godlessguy Of course not I agree

@LenHazell53 It's not racist to not want people in this country that do not believe in the separation of church and state and also believe in killing apostates, doing circumcision of women, and that women are the property of men.

@godlessguy @Grecio So you've asked everyone of them have you?
Just for your information my best friend growing up was a muslim from a family of muslims, they were as british as I was, two of the three brothers married english women and the daughter an English man, I attended my friends wedding in a church one day and in a mosque the following day, their children are my god children and they have been given the choice as to what faith if any they follow.
You are an uninformed bigot and propaganda sponge who has fuck all idea what he is talking about.
If I judged you as a an atheist by Joseph Stalin and the communist marxist regime you would say the same about me.
IDIOT

yup... I made a satirical comment to nationalist Muricans after Trump was elected.... we need to build a wall, paid for by the American govt, to keep Americans out of Canada. They tried to come in in droves after that oompa loompa degenerate was voted in. XD

@demifeministgal Are you talking about the Prime Minister of Canada. I think he is regretting being so Muslim friendly now. The Muslims come to the West and can't get a job because they can't speak English or French. The live on Welfare for years and years. look at Europe, the Muslim immigration has almost ruined Europe. However, Europe is waking up and deporting.

@Grecio Nope I am obviously talking about Trump, or Drumpf as he should be called. XD
And you have no idea how our immigration system or our welfare system works so I'd thank you not to comment on something you are so woefully ignorant about.

@demifeministgal Muslim women will no longer be able to cover their faces as they take Canadian citizenship after the country's immigration minister announced a ban on anyone wearing the niqab – the face veil – or burqa – full body and face covering – while taking the oath of citizenship.

He said that he had received complaints from citizenship judges who had claimed that it was difficult to ensure that individuals whose faces were covered were actually reciting the oath.(from "The Guardian.com)

@JohnnyQB no just don't care for 90% of honkies.. bunch of whiney ass snowflakes..that followed Drump and his Kool aid..

@JohnnyQB btw Islam is the religion.. not Muslim.

@Grahame hahahahaha funny

Then why are they not throwing out Mormons? The LDS openly preachs the eventual establishment of a theocracy in the USA ruled over by Christ and the president of the church?

And yet the religious right still exists and votes, dominating the Republican primaries and giving us shit for brain politicians that are perfectly happy supporting the shitstorm currently unfolding before our eyes, all while trying without bothering to lie about it to establish an xtian theocracy right here.

So maybe if we can clean up our own cultures serious fuckups we can withstand the minority that are immigrants with the fucked up bits of culture they might have with them. If we can't then we need to shut the fuck up about how screwed up everyone else is.

@LenHazell53 because the Mormons don't cut people's heads off and use suicide bombers.

@Grahame

@Grecio They used to, they were called the Danite Band AKA the Angels of death

@Grahame What exactly id evil?? Does the devil cause it?

@PBuck0145 Thanks for the video, I think this answers the poll question.

@PBuck0145, @LenHazell53 And the Catholics had the Inquisition.

@Grecio Really? Never heard of the Mountain Meadows Massacre?...

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@Grecio Exactly and they try to pretend it never happened too, religion thrives on lies and hypocrisy

@Grecio yet......

How do we perform a lobotomy on each of them to remove those ideas.

@noworry28 The same way we do it for everyone:

Propaganda

@Grahame Does anything equal evil?

@Grahame How do you know xenophobia and religious persecution are close to evil?

Could someone argue that those things are actually good?

@noworry28 A little brainwashing might do. Maybe they could go through some "adjustment classes". I dunno.

@noworry28, @Grahame yes, and they wrote: "right to bear arms".

@Grecio they actually did not write that all by itself. They included the words "well regulated militia." regulated! Interesting concept.

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@genessa What's interesting about that?

"Well regulated" means something like proficient, disciplined, or functional.

@Happy_Killbot No it doesn't. It means well regulated.

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@genessa The meaning of words drifts over time.

For example, "military regulations" doesn't mean we cut the military to a certain size, it means there are certain standards and practices everyone must follow in the military, including uniform standards, how long your hair can be, responsibilities of different positions, and policies.

In the context of the 2nd amendment, it has been interpreted to mean the same as what it means for the modern military.

@Happy_Killbot words can change. not all do. the context makes "well regulated" clear. it means well regulated.

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@genessa I'm 25 years old and there are words that have changed in my lifetime! Not to mention countless more that basically didn't exist or were seldom used until recently.

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Etymology is it's own branch of linguistics!

@Happy_Killbot i do not deny that some words and phrases have changed. i have no reason whatsoever to believe that "well regulated" has.

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I think the best way to help poor and abused Muslims is to help them remain in their own country. We can try to help reform and improve their country.

Is everybody that disagrees with you a racist??

@Grecio It was a general statement not a response to you.

@Krish55 I am sorry. My bad..(:<

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@K9Kohle789 WTF are you even talking about? Why did you take my comment so personally? It was not directed at you.... I mean it seems like we are tending to agree but you felt the need to be defensive for no reason against me.

@K9Kohle789 well I would argue that presented with evidence to the contrary, that christians are and have historically been, just as bad as muslims, I would say the OP fits the definition mighty well: obstinate devotion to one's own opinions and prejudices

@K9Kohle789 Muslims created a "30 year plan to destroy America from within, softly, quietly in our gov't and educational institutions" Do you have any data or evidence for this?

@K9Kohle789 If I believe in the separation of church and state, does that make me a bigot? I believe in agnosticism, does that make me a bigot? Am I a bigot because I am against ideas that feel are bad? By not agreeing with someone about something make me a bigot? I guess I can have an opinion without being a bigot.

@K9Kohle789 I have seen these videos and they really shed a lot of light.

@K9Kohle789, @demifeministgal Most all Muslims agree with direction from the Koran to spread Islam to the entire world. The take it seriously. There are moderate Muslims trying to modernize Islam but their success is a long time coming.

@K9Kohle789 This is proof why they should not be allowed in .These people that voted no are being led to slaughter

You mean like the Christian right do, when they interfere in legislature, lobby politician and donate to political campaigns? Of course that is before you get to murdering doctors, blowing up family planning clinics, synagogues and mosques?

@LenHazell53 There are radicals in all religions, agreed. But I think most all Islamists believe in slow and quiet jihad to convert the entire world to Islam. This jihad is written in the Koran, and they take it seriously.

@Grecio as the bible says that every nation and tongue should convert to Christianity you mean?

Philippians 2:10-11 that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those in heaven, and of those on earth, and of those under the earth, and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord

Romans 14:11 It is written: "'As surely as I live,' says the Lord, 'every knee will bow before me; every tongue will acknowledge God.'"

@LenHazell53 All these problems have to be dealt with, but let's not add to them by having to fight Sharia Law.

@LenHazell53 The Christians say it, but don't do it, maybe partly because the Bible also says for Christians to not associate themselves with sinners. I know it's crap., but that's what they believe. Modern Christians don't take their Holy Book all that seriously, but Muslims do. You have to give then credit for that.

@Grecio
Anti-abortion terrorists claiming divine motivation eg The Army of God (AOG)
Homophobic terrorists claiming biblical precedent eg the Church of Jesus Christ-Christian/AKA Aryan Nations (AN).
The state sponsored Ugandan vigilante homosexual killers
The KKK calling themselves a christian organisation as did, the United Klans of America, The Covenant, The Sword, and the Arm of the Lord, The Phineas Priesthood,
and these are just ones I can think of off hand.
If you don't think Christians given he opportunity or the right mind set do NOT commit atrocities you are living under a rock.

@JohnnyQB Iraq wasn't that way until we invaded and give power back to the religious.

@JohnnyQB Iran wasn't that way until we over threw the secular socialist government in 1953 which led to an Islamic reaction that took effect in 1979.

@JohnnyQB Saudi Arabia is the way it is because we support those Islamic fanatics in order to have control of the oil.

@JohnnyQB Syria's igovernment under Assad is a secular government where women have rights. We are supporting the Islamic fanatics trying to overthrow it.

@JohnnyQB The general point is this . Yes Islamic fanaticism is a problem. But it became a major problem because the West uses it in order to maintain imperialist control in Muslim countries. So if, like me, you don't like Islamic fanaticism, you have to oppose the Western imperialism that causes it to grow

@JohnnyQB You haven't refuted anything I said with historical facts. Instead you're ignoring Western abuses in order to condemn those of another culture. You're proving yourself to be a racist by being culturally prejudiced by asserting some sort of Western moral superiority.

@JohnnyQB If you were to try reading what I actually said. I also condemn Islamic fanaticism. However , it is racist to do that while ignoring the Western abuses that promotes Islamic fanaticism in order to exploit people in Muslim countries. Your denial of Western imperialism is what proves you to be a racist.

@JohnnyQB Sorry but the only difference is by degrees.

@Krish55 history is hard for xenophobic nationalists like him.... he laughs off the facts of Iraq and Iran historically not being such oppressive Islamic nations, because it gets in the way of his alt-right agenda and thinking is hard... we should pity him and try to ignore his ilk.

@JohnnyQB So discussing the history of a nation, before it was engrossed by religious nutfuckery, is akin to defending a religious ideology? Well then, we can never discuss American history then! heh

@JohnnyQB reading comprehension your shitty public education did not teach you that.... so again So discussing the history of a nation, before it was engrossed by religious nutfuckery, is akin to defending a religious ideology?

@JohnnyQB you keep talking but you look like this to anyone that follows this thread...

@JohnnyQB Please just stop, this is an atheist and agnostic site, no one is defending religion, they are defending historical facts.
You are making yourself look a right tit, I'm sure you do not actually want to do that, unless of course you are a right tit and think it makes you king of the tits?

Are you serious? They haven't contributed anything worthwhile in at least 1500 years.

Then you should hold the same standard for anyone orthodox such as when an evangelical extremist kills someone or when white supremacists open fire in a black church etc. One person should not be the consequence of hundreds by dropping number, that only further fuels fundamental and most importantly denies atheists and those who don't believe, like Palestine, the largest open air prison on Earth currently polls in at 40% atheist and I'm not surprised, so to drop numbers and then to continue to bomb these places of "terrorists" don't destroy them they tend to multiply like cockroaches. Your comment on separating good from bad, how would you suggest that? Looking at a person doesn't represent their mind, I wore burkhas and still cursed freely at religious extremists and thought I was a feminist. I would possibly suggest those taking in refugees have a much stronger mental health initiatives for both its citizens and immigrants especially those from war torn/ religious countries...and throw in some psychedelics assisted therapy for those who really need it.

@drkhannabis I don't think we will ever have a vetting process that can separate good people from bad people. However, we need to take a long look at what has been happening in Europe. For 3-4 years European countries have been taking in 2-3 million Arabs by using open borders. Now Europe has wised up and is beginning to deport. Most of these immigrants don't speak the4 native language, have few skills, and end up being on welfare rolls. This is not to mention the increased violence, rapes, and child sexual criminals. If you see a dog trying to bite you, you don't say dogaphobia and try to pet the dog. You try to keep the dog away.

@Grecio right, you keep one dog you don't condemn an entire breed, like the pitbull. So again based on not being able to separate between good and bad how would you create a process that works? Violence, rape and child sexual criminals happens in mosques, churches and synagogues as well or just by "regular" people on a daily basis, this isn't religion or culture centric its mindset based and a much deeper issue because just as many religious people don't go around committing crimes. I understand what you're saying but its a complex issue so a process needs to be created for vetting instead of allowing an in pour until an issue evolves.

@drkhannabis Maybe anyone who arrives in the USA from a predominantly Islamic country should have to swear that they believe in the separation of church and state, as well as being against terrorism: and do not believe in killing apostates. That might at least a start.

There is Plenty in the Constitution that says church & state should remain separate, try reading it!

Not a bad thought, but we hate to break up families. However, when we see pictures of refugees we see many, many, young men. Why don't they stay in their own country and try to fix it??

Well put my friend.

Sorry @blahblah. Rambling and incoherent. Hard to follow your thought and claims.

@t1nick ok

Killer idea.