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lately I'm beginning to think they should change an IQ test from measuring how intelligent someone is to measuring how stupid someone isn't.

hankster 9 Dec 29
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As a dyslexic I adore taking IQ tests. 😉

1of5 Level 8 Dec 29, 2019

Dont you mean... QI tests? Hehehehhehehehehe hahahahhaha

@MarkiusMahamius sigh day drinking at your aunts again, eh?

@1of5 nah dog, I'm home alone

@MarkiusMahamius so no one is helping you drink the half gallon of vodka?

@1of5 ff7

@MarkiusMahamius ahh, uhm, I see.

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We already have the stupidity one
The Darwin awards.

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High IQ tests , are knowledge tests , not common sense tests . Basically , the one and only thing most Mensa / Intel people have in common , is that we are voracious readers , so can answer lots of questions . Common sense , is not a part of the program , although , due to a lot of reading , we are likely to score better in those areas as well . We are much less likely to be into team sports , charismatic extroverts . drug addicts , or alcoholics , because we'd rather be at home alone reading a great book , or more likely a whold stack of them , then trying to deal with drama queens , fighting for time in the spot light .

Its true, all the high stakes, normed tests are based on reading. Children with college educated parents are more likely to do better on these tests due to influence and resources found in the home.

Marginalized communities and low income households rarely have reading matter in the home. Eating and paying rent takes precedence over providing reading material. And yes there are always exceptions to the rule

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I fully agree. My religious friend is still trying to view world events through his knowledge of the book of Revelation. Sorry. America and Britian are not in there. Neither is Russia.

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I think what we really need is a test for common sense. My sister and brother-in-law, both of whom were eminent consultant physicians, when they were young parents...not once but twice, forgot to have a child added to their passports and were unable to catch overseas flights!

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I know plenty of University professors who don't know how to boil water or tie their own shoelaces. An IQ test doesn't mean much look who is the president in the US, prime minister in Australia or prime minister in UK. All buffoons. Good at lying, cheating and being generally very bad people.

thats why we need the LOQ test.

Boris is actually more to our taste. Despite all the crap, he is NOT trump. He is way more center than reported.

Boris is moral, reasonable, principled. Trump is amoral, a 10 year old narcissist, that cares only for himself.

Not sure about the PM in AU.

@Jacar I do have to disagree with you there about Boris being moral. How many children does he have out of wedlock for instance, and are you aware that he was sacked from his vice-chairman position, which he refused to resign from after publicly lying, and that is not the first time it happened. A moral, reasonable, principled person he is not.

@Jolanta I was with you for most of your argument, except the bit about children out of wedlock. I don't consider that in itself to be particularly immoral. Is he's caring for the children appropriately? That's a better and wholly different question. I don't know the answer personally as I don't have any interest in Boris or his family, I'm simply making the point that "wedlock" is not necessarily how I judge a person's parental fitness.

@Shawno1972 I agree with you about children out of wedlock, however there would be people religious or not that would find it amoral. I don't have that view.

@Jolanta That is a sad response. Lying about what?
His buses had the total figure of funds demanded by the EU. "Oh they give back 1/3," was the response.
Whether brexit is correct or not (i have my criticisms), it is democracy.

@Jolanta Ahhh, your judeo-christian morals are showing. Does he support the children? that is more of a moral issue for me.

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IQ tests don't even do a good job of telling how smart you are. It's like asking a master electrician a question about plumbing. Yes, I know some know both. Here is a real life example.

I don't know what her IQ is, but here we go... My former room mate's girlfriend was asked to make a frozen pizza while we were moving stuff around. A few minutes later she asked how to make it. He said to read the back of the box! Then a few minutes later she asked how to turn on the oven! Maybe half an hour later we smelled something burning. She said "I didn't know you needed to check it". Last time I talked to her was on video chat on FB. Somehow we were talking about laws. She would name off the top of her head statutes and the law itself! I almost shit in my pants!

She is not domestically inclined , and not trained in home ecnomics . Males eat , but most are just a bad when it comes to life skills 101 .

@Cast1es Yeah. She was once asked to start a car so it could warm up. She didn't know how to start a car. She said she is worth millions, so maybe she was pampered. But the last time I talked to her, she asked me if she could borrow $200. The answer was obviously no. My friend was sitting right by me, grabbed the phone (it was his - couldn't get video chat to work on mine) and he started screaming at her! He was special ops... so last time I heard from her. lol

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Agree.

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The reality of these so-called intelligence tests is they are culturally and economically based!!!

Asian, Africans, Latin Americans, or Europeans all have different cultural, religious, economic, and educational experiences!!!!

All of which can change how, when, and where these so-called intelligence test actually test learning, religious, and cultural differences!!!

yep!!!

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I thought America already had such a test, 'The Trump Test.' LOL.

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Not really sure if testing either helps to avoid people like this

some just defy the spectrum.

Wow

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How do you gauge stupidity? That would seem like a subjective assessment.

I think there are ways of being intelligent that are not addressed by IQ tests. We are smart in different ways.

of course you're correct, but....look around, as a group we ain't so sharp enough of the time to call it out.

shouldn't dismiss the subjective. very very little is otherwise in our lives.
edit. well maybe not very very little. we do have refrigerators and stuff.

@Leontion ah...but subjective experience didn't invent the refrigerator, or provide the power that it runs on. lots of logic in there. the need for that light come on when you open the door could be subjective, but the process by which it does is not.

@Leontion likewise no purely subjective experience could have ever developed a refrigerator without those abstractions. reading data from a tool maybe a subjective experience but if taken at face value with no interpretation or say measurement of the measurement, one could argue that's a rather objective piece of information. logic and objectivity do have their place in our consciousness.

@Leontion I agree that subjectivity cannot be removed from experience, but that unlikely creation of the refrigerator I will consider impossible without the logic. perhaps not the Popsicles that go in the freezer but the machine.

@Leontion 😁

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Well, everyone is very intelligent for a few things and hopeless at others so the results might be interesting...

true. there's all kinds of smart and all kinds of stupid... there does seem to be this thing about consistency though.

@hankster, I'm including myself in the whole lot, by the way. I confess I'd love to see my score on this...

@Paddypereira yeah I'd say we're all in the group somehow. lol.

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So how exactly would that work? Instead of a bunch of questions that have one right answer, you ask questions with multiple correct answers and one wrong one, and see how many people fall for the incorrect answers?

I suppose that's one approach. I was just thinking about really simple simple questions. "who was the first president of the United States?" "how long can you hold your breath?" "do you like pie?" stuff like that.

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I think I.Q can be a relatively bias thing in some way. Before I wrote this comment, I spent a moment searching for something I had come across long time Back, but couldn't find it. What I had read before explained that sports players, professional especially, would be a type of genius based on their physical abilities. People obviously have to do some thinking to use their body in physical ways like Michael Jordon flying thru the air to dunk a basketball as compared to short fat man.

A polymath is a person who knows a lot about a lot of subjects. If your friend is not only a brilliant physics student but has also published a poetry collection and won prizes at political debates, you can describe her as a polymath. [vocabulary.com]

Most I.Q. test that I am aware of are just written intellectual test but do not so much cover physical capabilities.

There is a genius to thr American education system. It gives a foundational basis for all subjects including physical education class.

Can a person be smart or capable in 1 or a few areas but be very bad in other areas, yes. Savant or often called idiot savant is a person who has a mental or learning disability but is extremely gifted in a particular way, such as the performing of feats of memory or calculation. (Oxfort)

So, to sort of follow with your question, to test, or really make a documentary analysis of ALL a person's capabilities in every possible area could be a means to show by documentation how stupid a person isnt in various different areas.

Word Level 8 Dec 29, 2019

Look up Gardners' Intelligences (https://www.verywellmind.com/gardners-theory-of-multiple-intelligences-2795161).

We incorrectly limit ourselves by equating intelligence with writing, math, and reading. But their are many more intelligences beyond these three.

@t1nick link not good

@t1nick searched Gardner's, yes, that is about what I am talking about.

Let us look at defination of intelligence - the ability to acquire and apply knowledge and skills.

Intelligence is about applying knowledge AND skills.

Dunking a basketball is a skill. IQ text that Test for knowledge only is leaving half of the intellegence defination out of the test, that is skills testing should be apart of a full intellectual capabilities test.

@Word sorry

@Word

The problem is that the tests do not test the way that content is taught. Conversely, content is not taught the way questions are structured on the normative tests. It a problem for teachers. There is not enough support from the home in most school districts to teach the way questions on the test are structured.

It is considered an educational sin to teach to the test. Many schools have been chastised and fined for teaching to the test. This means getting copies of test questions in advance, then prepping students accordingly. That doesnt mean one cannot use practice questions that are similar and drilling in those. However, doing this you sacrifice content coverage and are chastised by District / School Administration for not covering your Stadards. It's a catch 22 regardless.

@t1nick I remember the only high school class debate I was in had to do with the requirement for tests, like those required for graduation. S.A.T.? What ever they are now, and some places have differences.

My side was that test should not be required. If a person does all of the required curicullum and passes according to the high school diploma requirements then the state and government test should not be required to get diploma.

@Word

In New Mexico, we are in flux this year as to diploma and graduation requirements. As it stands by the end of their senior year, a student make their "cut scote" on one of the various normative that they are required to tsk6e; NWEA, SBA, ACT, or the PARCC. Believe or not, they take all these tests yearly. It is required. Teachers generally agree that the students are over tested.

So seniors must make their cut scores in four areas: reading, language and grammer, math and science. Failure to attain cut scores means that they get a diploma, but the diploma is not designated as not having achieved academic success, but have completed all the credits necessary to graduate. Getting all cut scores earns them a certified, and academically successful designation. The distinction can be significant depending on the coarse after graduation a student wants to pursue.

This is the last year we will be offering the PARCC to seniors. We've done away with the NWEA this year. All teachers must research and find an " End of Course" [EOC] assessment for each individual academic subject. If seniors haven't achieved cut scores on the above the standard normative test (PARCC, SBA, or ACT), they have one last chance on the individual EOC.

Next year the state is thinking of inserting the SAT as are normative test for graduation. You might say it's kind of a cluster fuck.

@t1nick There is often chapter test, maybe an end of grading period test, semester final. With technology and a strong teaching to teachers and school testing administers on integrity, I think that the government questions could be incorporated and in a way "hidden " so that students don't know but take regular test as teachers may issue for periods or chapter ending but the selected questions that appease government standards can be collected and evaluated. That's my thought. No extra extensive testing days required.

@Word

These are state and BIE requirements. Not federal government requirements.

The EOC is a comprehensive Semester test. Or a comprehensive year test covering both semesters. I spent the entire Christmas break designing an EOC for physics using questions taken from Glencoe EOC.

Traditionally I would give a unit or chapter test as the final. No longer allowed to.

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Trial by fire should be one of the events...

blzjz Level 7 Dec 29, 2019

barefoot yard dart chicken maybe.

@hankster

no I think that more closely falls in line with the Darwin Awards. Lol

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I believe it would just be an effort in futility.
What is common sense to one person is not necessarily common sense to a person from a different culture not everybody is good at everything.
That being said there are those who choose to excel at being stupid no matter your point of view. 😋

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There should be a test to measure one's ability to put all that into practical use.

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Same thing.
The smarter you are, the stupider you are not.
Most dangerous: people like me: stupid, but equipped with a college-level vocabulary, which creates the illusion of intelligence.

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I think stupid people are happier.

depends on thier brand of stupid.

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It appears the comments answer this conundrum...

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It appears to me to be the same. It seems to be worded that way. With that wording even the scale could be the same. Odd statement.
Edit. Oh i see we in the silly area...lol

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Intelligence is over rated. Common sense will get you through more things

Yes, BUT 'common sense' is NOT as common as we think.

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Intelligence is much more complex than most tests measure. Most tests concentrate on such areas as vocabulary, reading comprehension, math, spatial reasoning, and conceptual problem solving. Those who grew up in homes & went to schools where that had a chance to learn these abilities & practice these skills have a natural advantage over others.(See Herrenstein, The Bell Shaped Curve). There are some efforts to develop non verbal intelligence tests.

As Gardner & many other researchers have pointed out, many other abilities may count as "intelligence". These include such things as mechanical or athletic ability, musical proficiency., & many others. A person might be a genius on standard intelligence tests & a complete klutz on the athletic field. Intelligence is area specific.

Many include emotional intelligence, the ability to sense the preceptions & feelings of others & respond accordingly. Research has shown emotional intelligence is more important to success in life than the skills measured on intelligence tests.

The concept of measuring how stupid someone isn't seems problematic. We have a cultural taboo, especially among more educated people, to comparing the relative intellectual candle power of individuals. It seems snotty & elitist.

But more than that, nature abhors a vacuum. How do you measure the absence of intelligence without measuring intelligence. This concept seems a violation of Occam's razor & a unnecessary double negative.

Members of Mensa & the other organizations for people of even higher intelligence spend a great deal of their time reading, doing math & puzzles. These activities build up the skills they need to perform well on intelligence tests. Actually it is fairly easy to get into Mensa, which accepts people in the top 2% of the population in intelligence. This means you only have to do better on intelligence tests than 49 other people, which is not too hard if you have some basic ability, given the general stupidity & ignorance of the population

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A full neuro payche evaluation is super interesting. It's a really I depth "IQ test" that's used to help evaluate the status of people with cognitive disorders, be it dementia or a brain injury or something inborn. Maybe I'll go to school for a zillion years so I can do those

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