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What if there was never religion in the world?
I guess there would be no Atheist or Agnostics now. What do you think the world would be like today if there was never any religion? I think we might be more enlightened and further advanced if all of the different religions in the world never existed. Humans would have focused more on other things instead of worshiping false gods. Would it be a more peaceful place?
Was it all about power and control? There will probably always be wars fought over power and control.

Gemini-1947 7 Jan 9

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There would have been a lot less bloodshed

@Gwendolyn I did NOT say humans would not have fought and killed each other if there was no religion in the world did I .I used the word LESS.


Much the same. People are the problem not religion, politics, neoliberalism or Marxism!


I think if there were no religion, something else would take it's place.

Probably. I wonder what that would be.

@gemini1947 I don't know but humans seem to function on the same principles all over. Their religion is the "true" one. Their nation is the "great" one. Their club is the "extraordinary" one. And so forth. There are other traits like this that you can see universally. Humans will be humans, whatever they are doing.

@UpsideDownAgain It seems to be that way. Nationalism, like Gwen just said, above.


Well for one thing, 900 years of the 'Dark Ages' wouldn't have happened. to think of the progress that humans have made in the last 150+ years or so could have been exponentially advanced to the point that we could at this time have been roaming the Galaxy.

To farther that, let's take a time to ponder the so called 'Golden Age" of the Middle east.
For a few hundred years Places in the Middle east, most noteably Iraq. That was the trade center of the world. And not just cloth, herbs teas and such, but information. That time held some of the greatest Scientific advancements ever. And all of it came to a scheaching halt when religion in that area took over.
To this day they haven't broken free of that.


Yes, it was always about Power & Control.

(no, it really wasn't)


Humans are tribal and will probably always find things to fight over.


Religion ... pure and faultless is this: to help widows and orphans in need and avoiding worldly corruption.

I guess if there was no religion, widows would suffer, orphans would have little no hope of survival and worldly corruption would be most likely worse than it is now.

Word Level 8 Jan 9, 2020

Sounds good. Do I need to believe in jesus to get their help?

@gemini1947 not that I am aware of. I don't recomend belief in Jesus, aka Lucifer the devil.


We wouldn't be here talking about it because we would be extinct, like the Neanderthals. Don't destroy something if you don't understand what evolutionary purpose it serves.

skado Level 9 Jan 9, 2020

We would be extinct if no religion ever?

Very likely, I would say. The primary cause of extinction, if I understand correctly, is evolutionary mismatch - the environment (or some component of it) changing more rapidly than the organism can adapt to through natural selection. Homo sapiens evolved an advanced capacity for creating culture, which is like a human organ that can evolve much more rapidly than physiology can. So we modify ourselves culturally to counterbalance evolutionary mismatch. Religion is the heart of that mechanism. It enables us to cooperate with large groups of strangers to accomplish things we could not do with only our Pleistocene, tribal instincts. Take that away and we become feral humans or extinct ones.

What species doesn't, or rather didn't, have that?

All the other human species went extinct. Did we just have more innate drive to survive than they did?

I know that's a very popular perspective on this site, but it appears to me that the evidence suggests otherwise. No power-hungry robber would have gone to the trouble to invent something as complicated and nuanced as religion, just in order to achieve power. But they certainly would forever make every effort to inhabit any existing structure that commanded people's loyalty. Religion had its genesis in evolution. Humans made every effort to corrupt it like they do government, business, education, healthcare, law and every other center of power. Religion is not special in that regard.

There are at least several extant species on earth. To the best of our knowledge, only one of them has religion. It is not known if the Neanderthals had religion . I call BS.

What are those species?

It's not about lengths. It's not quantitative; it's qualitative. They would go to those lengths and greater if needed, but they would not build into the system anything that wasn't required to achieve their ends. And they certainly would not build into the system a means of thwarting the very thing they were trying to accomplish. It would not only be counterproductive and wasteful of their time and efforts, it just wouldn't occur to them to do that. There would be no motivation to build complex systems of psychological and political liberation into a system that was designed from scratch for the purpose of domination and control. What they WOULD do, is find such an existing system, infiltrate the power structure, and subvert it to their purposes. THAT is human nature.

@skado I meant to insert "million" or "tens of millions" or "hundreds of millions" but while I digressed into looking for the best scientific estimate, I forgot to insert it. My apologies. I'm sure you don't want me to list them.

I'm not saying they wouldn't build elaborate systems. I'm saying they wouldn't build elaborate systems with the particular qualities that most major world religions possess.


I think religion was inevitable. All peoples had their myths, creation stories explaining the unexplainable in prescientific times. In was ingrained in us. Why am I here? Where did we come from? Where do we go? Etc. These stories are similar around the world. Before long outstanding individuals became leaders exploiting mans fundamental questions and religions developed.
If we weren’t so inclined we’d probably be more animal like or robot like. Maybe like a Vulcan. No evolutionary steps in between then and now..


I doubt if it would make any difference. There will always be people who are fearful and need something to rationalize their fear. There will always be people who want power over others, so will find a way to exploit the fear based people. There will always be fighting over resources. There will always be people who take charge, and some would be fair and benevolent and some would be dictators.


Like the Beatles song imagine

bobwjr Level 10 Jan 10, 2020

I describe it as one less thing to fight over. I don't think that automatically equates to more enlightened. Still lots of differences and tribalism to overcome.


We are what we are. Religion has been an integral part of humanity throughout its evolutionary history. There are some glaring examples where atheist leaders tried to eliminate religion, and they were all failures.

I think it would be more productive to develop more advanced religions than to wish for no religion.


It's nice to think we would have been able to navigate the human condition with fewer issues, but sadly I see no reason to believe that would actually be the case.


If there was no religion, then everyone by default would be agnostic or atheist. I have found that problem is not with the property of religion as such but within human need to find ways to dominate and control others. If not religion, maybe then region or skin colour, we would always find a way to discriminate.


We might be concentrating on science and not destroying the world today.

MrDMC Level 7 Jan 9, 2020

That would be great.


That very well had been the case if humanity have had started knowing what we know today.....well as we know, that's not how our history started. A smart and loving God would've started humanity wise. That's probably a good argument to prove there is no God.

It takes time to evolve but the world would be a lot different now without all of the religious mumbo jumbo that influences most of the world.

@gemini1947 I don't disagree with your would've been scenario. However IamSaying why it wasn't like that.


If wishes were horses, beggars would ride.

There's a big distance between where we are today mentality and having made all good decisions through time.
I personally believe that bypassing all supernatural choices throughout history would have benefited us. But I have little confidence in our society to be able to make such a move -- at any level from organized religion to superstitions on down.

I agree. It may be too late to change things now but some of us are trying. .. Even if only in our own little worlds.


There was no religion in the world for millennia. Then we invented it. The world with religion is a very new phenomena so clearly the world can manage quite well without silly human inventions.

...if we're willing to ditch civilization and go feral.


Wars simply would not be started BECAUSE of religion.


If that had been the case, we would probably have become Vulcan, instead of Human.


It would have never happened that way. Just look at our world today. Everything is about power and control. Religion is used in this game of power and control. It is nice to know that your god is on your side. You are the only one who has the right god.


If there were no religion, that would mean we're ALL agnostic.
Personally, I don't think about it all that much anyway, because I just have made peace ith the fact I have no idea, WILL never know, so what's the sense thinking/talking about it all the time?
As the Desiderata says, 'the universe is unfolding as it should,' so all you can do is make your way in life as best you can, be a good person, serve out your sentence, and die an honorable death.
It's fun to speculate about though, and since we've got to talk about SOMETHING, it's always a good topic of conversation.


People are the creatures known to have the greatest cognition capability, that is the thinking ability and ability to understand great or highly complex concepts. If you were to consider knowledge to think about and understand the Knowledge of good and evil is the greatest of knowledge, then you would notice "religious " text is what appears to have the copyright, so to say, on introducing the knowledge of good and evil to people kind.

Word Level 8 Jan 10, 2020

Although believers will disagree I think the European "dark ages" when the Roman catholic church was all powerful held civilisation back for years.

Did you know the error of the Roman catholic was that they had the text that taught cleanliness, quarantine and other hygiene practices but the people in control did not teach from the bible text these things. The Roman catholic used biblical text as a thing to control and enslave not as something to teach with.

@Word which text are you referring to? Just curious..

@TaylorWalston biblical text

@Word well of course Biblical text, was just curious which verses in particular you were referencing


The ideal of quarantine that could had been used during the black plague of dark ages. leviticus 13:46 As long as they have the disease they remain unclean. They must live alone; they must live outside the camp.

Numbers 19:11-12 "Whoever touches a human corpse will be unclean for seven days. They must purify themselves with the water on the third day and on the seventh day; ...

Theres others about teaching cleanliness and hygiene feel free to read for yourself.

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