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How did you, or do you react to these 2 photos, and the stories behind them?

MLK's daughter makes this observation:

"If you're unbothered or mildly bothered by the 1st knee, but outraged by the 2nd, then, in my father's words, you're 'more devoted to order than to justice.' And more passionate about an anthem that supposedly symbolizes freedom than you are about a Black man's freedom to live."

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josephr 7 May 27

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Totally agree. My hope is all 4 of them go to jail. For murder.

We can all help make that happen by calling the Hennepin County District Attorney’s office, DA Mike Freeman. Keep calling if you get a busy signal. If you get voicemail leave your message. I called and got a live person after 15 dials and a busy signal. I demanded that the DA charge the four officers with murder.

@Bobbyzen will do that today. Enough is enough.

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The first knee is the reason for the second knee.

barjoe Level 7 May 27, 2020

Well said!

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I couldn't even get through that story. It's just sickening.

People who treat other humans like rabid animals should be abolished from the planet.
Those who agree that taking a knee during the national anthem to protest the wrongs of their country, is shameful, need to feel ashamed only of themselves.

Athena Level 8 May 27, 2020

Sure, like the asshole that occupies the white house. That POS trump wanted the football players fired. Disgraceful.

@Stilltrying1964
... just to break away from this.
...but also the injustices that they can lock a black man up for 37 yrs for a crime he did not commit.
...and then we have these cops who don't care who's looking in broad daylight and don't give a
§#! * about it.

@TimeOutForMe

Thank you for posting this.

This man had made references to prayer and God as he told his story. I've been thinking lately, as so many people are struggling right now, that as much as I hate the destruction religion has caused, the delusion of a god is life saving for those who have lost so much. This man survived the injustice and all the rage that came with it, either in part or all because of his belief in God.
Now, it's possible that there was prejudice at play, that may have stemmed from religion, which got him convicted in the first place. Racists can see certain groups as disposable after all. That would mean that hating religion is the right thing. However, if there's anything positive that came from this man's belief, it's that it saved his life by giving him the strength to carry on.

@Athena
Thank you for your response much appreciated!
Yes, he had to have something to hold onto to remain sane while his precious life was taken from him. How many abused kids have imaginary friends to keep them going to remain sane. The prisons allow all the chaplains in. The prisoners see someone from the outside whom they believe cares about them. Religion festers!
I saw a documentary years ago about how many people in USA prisons who were set free mostly only after 2-3-4 decades through re-opening cases. They were all black people in that documentary. At the end of that documentary they showed how many more black people were waiting for help, for legal counsel to assist them. Their faces and the crimes they were accused of rolled up at the end.
An ex South African defence force soldier (from the apartheid years) told me that they were instructed to shoot anything black that moved on the borders.
...but they did it inside of the borders too. Young SADF soldiers would get pi***d and go into the townships and burn all the shacks and drive out. There's just so many dreadful and gross injustices, and the same people were in charge of the laws that governed us. How do these people live with themselves? The bible condones slavery and hate and division, to flog people etc
....what these savages have done to Floyd out in the open, shows how deep rooted this pattern is. ...and that it's still ok. They showed no remorse. ...how many of these sickening acts have they committed outside of the public eye and took pleasure in doing so??? We'll never know. USA is going backwards with hateful racism openly!!!

@TimeOutForMe

It's all just beyond my imagination and too painful to think about. It makes me feel sick, literally.

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Watching a police officer, from this side of Atlantic, in full view of 10s of others, murder a human being, sends a sickening message to the rest of the world.

Some years back, UK assessed its reactions to hatred and hate crimes against blacks, Asians and other BME, it arrived at a conclusion that there was institutional racism. There have been tremendous progress, in race relations, since the murder of Stephen Lawrence, in hate crime in April 1993.

US, after Trump, needs soul searching, reevaluation of its moral conscience. Good people of the nation cannot sit idle and watch., less evil will continue.

Exactly. Those who sit idly by are in fact enabling the evil.

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I was a Peace Officer for the State of Colorado for 15 years. About 70% of my fellow were pieces of shit with very low integrity. They failed to even hold themselves to moral standards and were worse than the convicts simply because they were cops for the power and control. 30% were people I was proud to work with. In the end, I have very little respect for cops at all until they prove that they are worth respect. Badges tend to attract the type of person that should not EVER be wearing them. I am actually ashamed of my service as a Peace Officer not for anything I did but just being associated with them.

I have a cousin who is now retired from our local Sheriff's department. When he first started he mentioned it being a "good ol' boys" club. It was all about who you knew. I don't know if he eventually became a part of that club, or not.

I never demonize any group for the despicable acts of a few. I've worked as a civilian consultant with several departments, and i've worked with the types of officers who should never have carried guns. I never lost respect for their badges even if the people behind them needed training, control, or dismissal.

I understand and do respect authority. I have no respect for those who demand it without integrity.

@Joanne It very much becomes an "Us vs, Them" mentality. Often as a result what is right and wrong gets clouded and it morphs into a group think herd mentality. I to an extent was very much guilty of this myself. When I realized this I was ashamed and no longer wanted to serve.

@josephr Years ago I had a neighbor who was a state police officer. I knew him to be a very good man and and a good cop. His only brother was also a policeman and was killed in the line of duty. The problem is that the system makes it hard for good cops to call out the bad ones.

@Joanne That is so true, and sad for those who are neither racist nor crooked. Did you ever see Al Pacino in Serpico?

@Joanne You abosolutely can call out bad cops! You just have to be willing to look for new work. The blue line does very much exist. In my case my bosses tried to set me up to be killed. Hence only 15 years and no retirement.

@DavidLaDeau : Yes, that's the problem. One has to be willing to be shunned, lose their job, maybe worse. And, it shouldn't be that way.

@josephr I watched that years ago. I cannot remember a lot about it. Perhaps I should watch it again. I will have to be in the right mindset, though.

@Joanne Yes, being in the right mood would be my choice too. Right now, with all that's going on in our world i don't really need a dark movie. LOL I remember it was a heavy movie and certainly made me emote, anger and fear combined i guess.

@josephr Exactly! I have enough of those emotions atm, I don't need more 😖.

Good choice @Joanne. It's one i often make too. Like never watching the news at night. LOL

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I'm devoted to an orderly justice system. I don't know who trained these yabos but it wasn't the same people who trained me. I would be on stop order from my department if I came close to putting a knee anywhere near anyone's neck.

First, of course, the tragedy of someone losing their life; then the fact that it was lost to reckless stupidity and apparently untrained police officers who don't know what any 6-month Academy graduate should know.

If you take someone to the ground to put them in restraints (number one, you need a good reason to do so, like being physically resisted), the only acceptable way to apply leverage is a knee on the shoulder or the back. Then you stand said individual up. You do NOT, repeat do not leave them pinned to the ground or floor. There are multiple officers in these pictures. They have police vehicles. You stand the person up and put him in the back seat. PERIOD. That's it. Even if you don't have a car, you stand them up and wait. You're the police. You're automatically in charge of the situation. You don't assert that with a knee in the neck, for fuck sake.

I saw this last night and was beyond words. I'm still into "tranquil fury" over it. They don't deserve their uniforms. The fact of this incident tells me they've been conducting themselves like this for a long time now and it just chose this week to go south on them. These guys give a black eye to actual law enforcement professionals everywhere, including me. I and my partners will be second-guessed and Monday-morning-quarterbacked even more than we are now, in the very rare event of having to use force. This is the last thing we need in a prison where 1/4 of the population is positive for COVID. We have enough problems, and now this news.

Training schmaining! Those motherfuckers are just racist fucks in uniforms. Sadly, there are way to many of them in uniform. Maybe a bit more vetting during the selection process at "the academy" would help.

@Stilltrying1964 You're making a conclusion without any evidence, unless you personally know anything about the individuals beyond what's in the news. That's all I have to say.

@Paul4747 I'm a licensed practicing professional engineer, I don't make conclusions without evidence. The video of the cop with his knee on the mans neck is evidence. The other cop wrote above that what they did was wrong. More evidence. The guy died. More evidence. Do you need more evidence? The people rioting in the streets don't. Leave it to a white cop to say such bullshit. You gotta defend your other assholes in uniform that commit racist atrocities and try to say there's just not enough evidence. Black men that have to have "the talk" with their sons so they don't die at the hands of racist cops. More evidence. Did your dad have to have "the talk" with you? Mine either, coz I am white. Open your eyes to what is right on front of you.

@Paul4747 OH BROTHER! This is American Law Enforcement 101. Stop the apologetics. This is standard issue American cop and you being an insider KNOW it!🤬

@SeaGreenEyez @Stilltrying1964 I am not defending their actions, as you have read above. They're as wrong as wrong can be. But you're reading their minds and calling them "racist", and that's unjustified unless you know them personally or know something about them beyond this incident.

I am on the inside and I know that this is an accusation that is thrown out anytime a white officer interacts with a person of another race.

When I ticket a black prisoner, he says it's because he's black. When I ticket a white guy, he says he wouldn't be getting a ticket if he was black. Everyone plays the race card. Whereas what I see is someone commtting a violation and then arguing with me, and making my day a little more of a pain in the ass. I don't see color.

Yes, there are racists in uniform. But law enforcement is not uniformly racist.

@Paul4747 You're one of them! You're viewing this and ALL murder by cop as an insider and it's UGLY! This, like ALL the others, isn't white men murdering white men. This IS murder by cop YET AGAIN and if you need "info" to address the issue, there's something fundamentally wrong within YOU.

You people forget who you work for! You see everyone as suspect and especially so if the color isn't white. Below, you tell a different story. Almost like a reasonable person who's watched this 10 minute video of white cops watching a black man being murdered by another white cop. Then here, you wanna play all "not all cops are racist" card. Systemic racism. And you're thick in it. Just be honest with yourself.

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Talked to a friend of mine who's a former Army MP and he flat said that this wouldn't have even flown in a combat zone. There would have been Article 15s and court martials raining like (his words not mine) "dollar bills at an off post strip joint the day after tax returns"

@SeaGreenEyez Shame on you. You think you know me. You don't.

What someone does for a living is their job, not who they are.

Please don't ever, ever, ever try to read my mind.

Thank you for your insight, I wish all law enforcement officers shared your perspective.

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This is why Colin Kaepernick took a knee.

Indeed. We have VERY few living heros. He's one.

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both seriously pissed me off. There was zero need for it and it cost a man his life. That cop should be brought up on murder charges and the others should be facing accessory charges

You're goddamn right! That man's family should get to do the same to the cop, I mean the murderer!

@Stilltrying1964 two murders don't bring back a life. But that cop should face murder charges and if that state has the death penalty then so be it

No indictment necessary. He should be arrested immediately. Now. Not later.

@SeaGreenEyez If it were up to me, the video evidence is there, call up the firing squad. Luckily for alot of murderers, rapists and child molesters its not up to me lol.

As absolutely fucked (pardon the word but its the best word to describe) our legal system in this country is we have to wait for it to slowly and inaccurately do its job. Its the way of things.

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I was born and raised during the Apartheid Era here in Cape Town South Africa and I can say with definite certainty that this behavior by these cops would be met with extreme punishment and imprisonment , that shit will never happen here in my country, those cops would have been made an example of, that's for sure.

Cops here have virtually no oversite. They almost never have to answer for their actions, and when they do it is usually explained away, swept under a rug, or declared legal for some stupid reason or other. My favorite is they feared for their lives. If you are that big a chicken shit, maybe you shouldn't be a police officer. I'm of the opinion that officers should have a degree in social work or psychology. Would be far better to deal with those with psychological issues, or mental differences. There would be a lot more emphasis on deescalation. Right now it's just a bunch of racists assholes living out some ridiculous wild west fantasy or live action nazi nostalgia. I have zero respect for cops and treat every traffic stop as potentially lethal. And I'm a white woman.

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It was on our news, & a lot of the arrogant US law enforcement totally disgusts me.

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I don't understand the first photo. Are they changing a flat tire?

I'm totally with Colin Kaepernick, so the second photo lifts my spirits. He is protesting a serious issue, and I would kneel with him any time.

They were kneeling on the neck of a black man who was suffocating.

A cop has his knee jammed into the fellow's throat until he died!

@Athena; @Lilac-Jade. In that case, I despise the cops in the first photo. It is not their job to murder others. They should capture suspects alive, and the courts should decide whether they are guilty or not, and what the punishment should be if they are guilty.

@Lilac-Jade
Fucking savages.

@BestWithoutGods Correct. Their job is to protect and apprehend. The job is not punitive. Sadistic bastards. They tortured him because they hate blacks and the poor man died.

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I have been sickened, an dumbfuzzeled that the public has gotten so fearful of the brand of police that would comitt such an act, and even the other cops that would stand by and allow such a cold blooded murder to happen. Somebody should have blown that mother off the man, or at least tried to knock him off. The second taking of the knee...I applaud.....their action and their cause.

There is NO way I could've been there witnessing this and NOT done something. I'm just not wired to stand down. (I got arrested in Indianapolis when the cops were strip searching a man in my front yard. I worked for a very prominent civil rights attorney at the time and I was giving the man our card as he was being violated by law enforcement. All charges for him and me were dropped but they weren't at all kind with me.)

@SeaGreenEyez @HankSherman my dad & I were talking about this exact thing last night. I said "dad you would be bailing my ass outta jail if I were to ever be a witness to such a heinous act. I would'a tackled that MF'er and smashed his head in the asphalt".

@Heidi68 🤗

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I agree with this fully. The shame is in the fact that no one even tried to understand why Kap took a knee in the first place and they thought Bone Spurs was patriotic when he told everyone what you must do at a game.

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i called it murder

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Call the DA and demand he charge the four with murder. I already called. Phone number in the photo.

Ironic the DA's name is Freeman!

Brilliant! I'm calling. Thank you for the number.

@SeaGreenEyez Glad to see you're ready for action! Hope the virus has run its course...

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In the UK the use of any neck-hold is prohibited except under exceptional circumstances and not to repress a suspect in that manor. Even using an officer to lay over a person can cause injury or even death.
Now, the taking of the knee to us Europeans demonstrates respect AND protest together. Intelligent people would ask why are they taking knee?
These men have social power, so what are they saying that they feel they must exercise that power to influence a maximum number of people.
This of course ties back to the socio-institutional racial divides, which are reinforcing themselves in American society.
A major influence to this act of violence by the police goes back to the founding of modern America and the ownership of land, property, people, goods and ideas. In other words America's love affair with capitalism to the extreme, which supports a far lower standard of freedom and social conditions when compared to similar countries for the majority. Link this to the incompetence of your Federal and State governments response to COVID19.
In the end there shouldn't be a Black Lives Matter movement, all lives matter, but the system keeps black and Hispanic people downtrodden. Indeed this insidious evil has made the oppressed self-oppressing, self destructive and insular.

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I see no connection between the two pictures. I have yet to encounter anyone in any venue that has not expressed disgust and outrage over the George Floyd murder. If there is anyone out there that is unbothered or mildly bothered by this, that person is as depraved as the perpetrator.

I agree with you on this 100%. The second is is disrespectful, but not illegal.

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Outraged and confused by the first (I saw the whole video), indifferent to the second (first time I see it). I care a lot less about symbols than I do actual physical pain.

Really, what was that officer thinking? Did he not at least realize how bad this would be for HIM, even if he didn't care about his victim? He was getting filmed doing something horrendous, and saw normal people feedback while doing it. WTF! How did he not realize there would be major consequences?!

The outrage is obvious, and I can't wait to see justice be done, which I'm sure it will. These guys are not getting off the hook, neither legally nor socially.

Radu Level 6 May 27, 2020

With the world watching, i can only hope you're right.

You have more faith in the system than I do. I imagine once the immediate media coverage wears off they'll figure out some reduced charges give him something like 6 months/parole and make sure it gets a footnote if any media coverage.

@CommonHuman I expect him to be found guilty of manslaughter with a 5-10 year sentence. When the whole society is riled up justice usually follows suit. Public opinion has a big impact on verdicts and sentencing from what I've seen.

Prison for ex cops is a lot worse than for regular criminals. I also expect him to lose a civil suit meaning a lot of debt with little possibility of paying it back. And the social consequences... Basically his life is over and I don't understand how he didn't see it coming.

But we'll see, I'd be stunned if your prediction turns out true. This is probably the worst case of police brutality against black people I've seen.

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Those cops should go to jail and the other inmates shouldn't be kept away from them. I believe in a bit of vengeance. Kaep has been held back by the tea party beliefs and it pisses me off.

In a decade, law enforcement in American has killed 10,000+ citizens. Only 114 have been charged with any crime and only 55 have been convicted of a crime. Only 4 have been convicted of a felony more serious that Abuse of Power. We live in a Police State.

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Now the police and the DA are reviewing the evidence that there was a crime committed by the police!!!

I say fuck that policeman, he committed first degree murder!!!

He should be shot in public for willfully murdering a handcuff unarmed man by torturing him to death by suffocation!!!

The evidence clearly shows that policeman willfully suffocating this man!!!

If you or I had committed this crime of willful first degree murder we would be in jail without any excuse!!!

I call for those who are now being Harassed by the police while demonstrating have the right for the citizen arrest of any and all police who are causing harm and are using any form of deadly force or the threat of it be jailed for crimes against humanity!!!

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I agree! This is first degree murder. The world witnessed this horrific deed against a defenceless man.

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I am outraged beyond words at the murder at the hands of the police. I am outraged that none of the other officers did their jobs. None of them appeared, from what I've seen, to make any attempt to intervene.

I applaud Colin Kaepernick for his non-violent protest and putting his job on the line. I am tired of people saying he should do it on his own time. Really? Nothing he did cost anyone anything, either in time or money.

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I'm just sick about the murder of George Floyd at the hands of those who are suppose to protect and serve. Words fail me in expressing my anger, fear, and the shame I feel toward these police officers. I've always tried to respect authority, but this...no.

I respect Colin Kaepernick for trying to bring attention to police brutality and racial profiling. I did not respect how he went about it. Mainly because he used his job, while on the job, as the vehicle for protest. If I took a knee to protest, or for that matter staged any kind of protest while I was working, I'd be fired in a heart beat. I think most of us would. I just remember thinking that it would backfire and detract from the issue itself, and of course, it did.

That Kaepernick was prepared to put his job, and even his career, on the line in order to use his public profile to draw attention to blatant injustices only deepens my admiration for him.

There is no patriotism, honour, or respect if the act is mandatory. It would be as worthless as a forced salute from a conscripted soldier or a "Yes Massa" from a slave.
As for "at work", one of the few good things that the celebrity culture can give us is a platform to bring issues to light. I recall Mohamed Ali refusing to fight in Nam and many other instances where celebs have used their job as a platform. As for you being fired, would that happen if any of your colleagues wore a crucifix? Maybe if you wore your agnostic.com t-shirt (when you get it)?
Perhaps you might respect the protest a little more if you walked a little Kaepernicks shoes. Just to help that somewhat, may I paste part of the third verse to that anthem was he required to stand for.

No refuge could save the hireling and slave
From the terror of flight, or the gloom of the grave:
And the star-spangled banner in triumph doth wave
O’er the land of the free and the home of the brave!

I certainly respect Colin taking a knee on national TV on a billion dollar organization's dime. Well done, Colin. Do it more.

@Gareth @273kelvin @Freespirit64 So during this time period quite a few athletes took knees during the National Anthem. Did any regular working people do the same? Did you take a knee while you were at work during 2016? Why didn't we see nurses, doctors, teachers, waiters, bankers, coffee baristas, chefs, and other workers taking knees while on the job? They couldn't, they would lose their jobs.

Compare and contrast these 2 pictures to the effect they had on racism and inequality in the US. The Civil Rights Movement led by Dr. King brought about needed change, backed by law...real change. What did Kaepernick's protest do, in terms of real change? It got more money for Kaepernick, through a settlement with the NFL. But as far as real change? Not so much.

However, let's give Kaepernick's method of protest another chance. I urge all to take a knee while at work over the next few days, take a selfie, and post it to social media with a message to end police brutality. If everyone did this all across the country, maybe that would help.

@linxminx "The Civil Rights Movement led by Dr. King brought about needed change, backed by law...real change. "

Then why did Kaepernick have to take a knee years after MLK died? Nothing really changed, the dynamics of racism simply changed.

@linxminx I cannot think of any profession other than the police or armed forces that would require anybody to stand for the national anthem.
However, there is one case in the UK I can recall that is similar. About ten years back Manchester council required the fire service to attend and march in their gay pride event. The fire brigades union protested at this "requirement" not because it had anything per se against the LGBT community but they believed that any participant should be voluntary and not compulsory

@redbai The Civil Rights Movement didn't fix everything, and certainly didn't eradicate racism and discrimination in this county by a long shot. Police brutality toward persons of color is a serious problem. It deserves more than a 60-second attention grabbing moment at the beginning of a football game that played out in the mainstream media, and on social media but then died back down. Did any needed change come about due to Kaepernick's bended knee protest? Aren't we still where we were in 2016? I respect Kaepernick's attempt to bring attention to a serious issue in the US. His choice of method of protest sealed its fate. He is an influential athlete that could have gotten a bill sponsored, testified before congress, affected change in law and policy in this country. Why isn't that happening?

@linxminx What did the Civil Rights Movement fix? Outside of making the racism of America something that couldn't be ignored, it changed nothing of significance. Innocent, unarmed Black men, women and children are still being needlessly killed.

The idea that Kaepernick's sacrifice achieved nothing is ignorant. It increased the dialog about a problem plaguing black people and forced millions of Americans to acknowledge what they've been denying for generations and called to the attention of America that MLK and the Civil Rights Movement did not achieve the goals that many pretended they did.

@linxminx I don't want to create any bad feeling here, but since you name-checked me in your sub-post.....Are you saying that CK didn't lose his job? Are you also implying that his protest was a way of increasing his earnings? That's how your subpost reads to me. As for 'real change', apart from raising public awareness, let me cite his Wikipedia entry:-

"Kaepernick pledged to donate $1 million to "organizations working in oppressed communities."....donated $25,000 to the Mothers Against Police Brutality... announced that he would make the final $100,000 donation of his "Million Dollar Pledge" in the form of $10,000 donations to charities that would be matched by celebrities....founded the "Know Your Rights Camp"... which held free seminars to disadvantaged youths to teach them about self-empowerment, American history, and legal rights [and] launched a relief fund for individuals impacted by the COVID-19 pandemic. Kaepernick donated $100,000 to the fund"

As for 'taking the knee' myself - I don't live in a country where I have to choose between that and standing like a puppet covering one nipple to pay lip service to a bit of cloth and a tune. Where I live we dispensed with that sort of nationalism about half a century ago. When I was young I remember the national anthem still being played at the end of cinema showings, and I never stood as one was supposed to. Since then I've not had much opportunity to show my contempt for all that theatre but I hope I could still (not) rise to the challenge if I had to.

@linxminx Well said! Tears and heartfelt condolences are never enough. When injustices are perpetrated by or ignored by our governments, we need to 'take a knee', to protest every injustice peacefully if we want to bring about change; otherwise we're enabling the abusers, always.

But be prepared to be patient. Changes to society take generations not decades. I've been working as a change agent for over 60 years, on both sides of the US border. I've seen changes, never enough, but a journey takes a whole lots of steps. Unfortunately most people are too afraid, too lazy, or too uncaring to stand out against the crowd.

It's why police continue to kill innocents and children get locked up in concentration camps.

@redbai I disagree about increasing the dialogue. The issue got lost in the ensuing debate over disrespecting the flag, and the news media kept fanning those flames. Our news media, of which the major news services are owned and operated by wealthy white men, fed the outrage related to the flag, kept us at odds with each other, and the real issue got lost.

I keep thinking what might be different if Kaepernick still used the football game but in a different way. Shoot a public service announcement to be played multiple times during the game, calling for change and asking for support to organizations like Black Lives Matter. Had the method of protest been different which did not result in people being offended with respect to the flag, would the movement to eradicate police brutality toward black men be further along today?

@linxminx IOW, you wonder what would have happened if Kaepernick had done something that didn't interfere in the lives of those who just wanted to watch a football game. Something they could have ignored.

Where I live, it changed the dialog and informed people of the disgusting nature of some of the lyrics of our "national anthem". It made people address why he was doing it and argue as to whether or not it was worth it. It pointed out the obvious lies that racist would come up with to hide the racism they wish to keep utilizing in support of their causes. It focused a light, yet again, on the brutality of the police in this country. It gave young men and women a real life example of someone with the courage stand up and take a chance at losing his job for a cause he believed it. It was reminiscent of Mohammad Ali doing the same thing almost 70 years ago to call attention to the same injustice in America in decades past.

The idea that he did nothing is dismissed by the fact that we are still talking about it today.

I don't want to go too deeply into the CK discussion, but would like to point out that he chose a non-violent form of protest. As far as doing it on work time,or someone else's time, his taking a knee cost no one any time at all. People could chose to ignore him, choose to join him, during it. I applauded his courage and integrity. The NFL were money motivated wimps to not stand behind him.

@Gareth What I've read is that he chose to be let out of his contract at the end of that season, so technically he was not fired. The next year he filed a grievance against the NFL citing collusion to keep him from playing. The case was headed to court, but they reached a "confidential settlement." Yes, I agree he has done a lot for activism.

@itsmedammit According to the NFL, they lost 8% of their viewership during that season. When surveyed 30%, of NFL fans reported the number one reason they stopped watching or attending was due to player protests.

While states do differ with regards to protests in the workplace or employees engaging in protests during work hours, most businesses in most states allow employees the right to peaceful protest without penalty. However, businesses have the right to discipline or fire employees who engage in protests that have a negative affect on the business.

I applaud and respect his intent, his heart, his desire for justice. I think he chose the wrong way to protest. The message got lost.

Let'e be clear - 'taking the knee' in no way disrespects either the flag, the country or veterans. If those factors have confused the issue it is entirely because the yellow press and the repugnant right never tire of trying to gaslight the conscience-bearers of our society. I disagree with the OP that CK could have found another way to protest that would not have similarly been smeared, purposefully misread and 'whatabouted'.

@Gareth "Let's be clear - taking the knee in no way disrespects..." Agree.

"If those factors have confused the issue it is entirely because the yellow press and the repugnant right never tire of trying to gaslight the conscience-bearers of our society." Totally, completely, utterly agree!!

"I disagree with the OP that CK could have found another way..." Maybe you're right. He is currently calling for a revolution. What is the next step?

@linxminx Hi. I'm not saying I have the solutions, but not big on criticising those who are trying to do the best according to their own lights. I suppose I like criticism to be constructive - "What you've done is great, but how about....?". If a black guy is addressing racial injustice I figure he may just know a little bit more about it than I do.
And all I know about revolutions is that they usually end badly. 😟

@Gareth You're right, completely right. I'm still learning. I know this sounds...I don't know...weird, but my first thought when I heard about Kaepernick's protest was, "That's not fair! He gets to do that at work, but I can't. I would get fired!" I was mad because of that reason, and I built a wall of what I thought was reasonable justification and logic out of my anger. I'm a teacher, a professor, and have been for 30 years. I've seen enormous change in education and one of the biggest is the handcuffing of our academic freedom. I've sat in meetings where I've been told I cannot take a side, or give an opinion, so as not to tarnish the institution's reputation, or do something to make students feel ill at ease, pressured, or uncomfortable. Believe it or not, in an accreditation visit, I was given a script to use to answer any questions I might be asked. It's all wrong, and it keeps us silent when we should be speaking out. It's keeps us from changing, growing, and educating our students in the truth. I followed and supported Andrew Yang when he ran as a presidential candidate. I posted an interview he did to my Facebook page, and got reamed by my friends as a liberal academic whose "gone over the edge." I unfriended several, then got emails from a couple of them saying something was wrong with me because I have a habit of cutting people in my life loose.

While watching the news tonite there was a story about a march in a city I live near over the injustice of George Floyd's death. A white woman interviewed stated, "It's time white people get behind this injustice and seek change." I took it as a sign of hope in what I think is a long overdue revolution coming.

White people have to embrace and feel the shame of the pure evil we committed in the history of this nation. We need to feel the shame of the pure evil that still exists today. Maybe revolution is exactly what is needed.

The system has been stacked against this needed change by wealthy white males. It's been going on for decades and its getting worse. Do you think we could possibly see equality, true equality in America someday?

@linxminx Thank you for your generous reply. None of us ever manages to express themself exactly as they would wish first time but it's a great quality to be able to acknowledge another's viewpoint and accept it. As a "wealthy white male" myself, I could do with more of what you've got. I like your moxie. Keep on being you.

Any job that has the pledge of allegiance or the national anthem at the start of your shift probably had people taking a knee. I find anyone who would stand up for what is right, regardless of where they are, admirable. I find that I have too often curbed my tongue at work.

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I feel really bad about this situation where the African Americans being targeted by white cops in your country. Like I said this kind of behavior would be met with extreme punishment in my country, (South Africa) today. This rimnds me in so many ways of the Apartheid system where the policing system controlled by white cops also had the exact same kind of power where they would stop you at any time, anywhere, and could do with you what they want if you resisted. However saying this, ever since our peaceful transition by avoiding a civil war and officially ending Apartheid in 1994. We now have a system where you couldn't even make a racist or racial remark to someone without being arrested, that's the kind of zero tolerance we now have here in South Africa and this beign a direct result of many years of pain and suffering brought onto South Africans by white supremacist. However saying this our country is not perfect but we at least did away with this evil known as Apartheid.

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I am outraged by the first photo. I am inspired by the second photo. It takes immense courage to stand up for what you believe in especially when you’re a well-known figure. It is a very respectful way to protest and it is not an affront to the flag or country. It’s saying, I respect this country but we can do better.

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This just tears me up. 😪 When will it ever be enough? 😞

When enough people say no more, or never again.

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