Lets see where the agnostic/atheist community stands.
Right up until the invasion, many republicans and Fox News said we should be siding with Russia, not Ukraine.
It is disturbing to me that republicans first thought Pence should overturn the 2020 election, and then supported the brutal dictator (Putin) over a democratic government (Ukriane). The direction of the republican party lately is undemocratic and not what was once considered to be the American way. Republicans have been moving in an unAmerican direction while insisting that they are the true "patriots".
In other words. You support the fascist side of Ukraine and their genocide program being waged on the people in the east. If you don't understand this statement, it's you that has been brainwashed. And possibly ignorant to the history of Ukraine going back to 1920. Even more sad, since 2014. Where the US government played a primary role in putting a fascist structure into place in Ukraine with our tax dollars. Illegally overthrowing a democratically elected president. A reoccurring event that has been played out for several decades around the globe. Failure to recognize this simply provides more evidence of brainwashing, or support for crimes against humanity, within a profound hypocritical means.
If rolling over in a grave was a reality, those who fought in WW!! would be spinning out of their graves for what their westernized nations are supporting today. And people like you are especially turning what those soldiers died for during WW!! into a vanity. It's profoundly sickening. It's sickening you allow this as a justified means to help the world elite use this to falsely demonize Russia as a whole and Putin who is attempting to stop the murder of primarily innocent civilians, who are viewed by Ukrainians, especially the fascist elements, as outcast who need to be exterminated and removed from what has been their homelands for centuries. The brainwash is clearly in your delusional reality.
Please realize that we are just continuing the usual, thoughts and prayers. We are not standing with or for the Ukrainians because we are here across the ocean and cannot do anything. We have influence with our elected officials, so get your thoughts together and write to your representatives. And if a reputable , international organization asks for donations for the people, please give what you can.
Now as it happens, I voted in support of Ukraine - but I confess, even though I voted that way, I think I MAY have just detected a hint of bias in the wording of this poll...
edited to add Oh - and whenever I hear the name 'Putin', I cannot help but think the term 'Chamber Pot' is more elegant.
I think the US is over militarized and should stop trying to govern the rest of the world. If the Ukraine had joined NATO, I might see things differently as we would have a mutual defense agreement. But as it is, the US should literally and figuratively have no skin in this conflict.
I stand with the Ukrainians and all free people of our world. That does not mean American should go to war over this. Right now a few Russians are demonstrating and being reminded that it is treason to do so. The former Russian president lets it be known that he stands with Putin. The West is lying. Media there is very silent on this issue.
Inside the Ukraine we are told that Putin's forces are advancing on the capital. The Ukrainian president is telling everyone he stands with his people. 100,000 or more have left for Poland and other areas. Video shows that the streets themselves either has lots of confused people or in some areas very little people. Video shows apartments and other building partially destroyed but Putin claims he is not targeting civilians. Putin claims his actions are against a traitorist faction in the Donbass area only. They seem to be so much up to no good that the Army had to be called in. He said a similar thing in 2014 but was not believed. My opinion is that Putin wants to take back all of the old Russian empire and stop Democracy from spreading. Most of the world shares that idea.
At present between 198 and 250 locals have been killed in the capital. Video shows that 200 miles away nothing is much happening. I have the privilege of watching news and video from all over the world. Not everyone has that. Sean Penn has announced that he is going to the Ukraine to make a documentary. His choice. I would stay away. He may not come back as this escalates.
All sorts of sanctions are being applied to Putin and the Russian oligarchs. None of this looks good because we might soon find ourselves unable to get into our bank accounts. Russia will fight back in many cyber attacks. This can lead to food shortages along with higher gas and oil prices. Unless this ends quickly we are all in for a horrible ride. The Lincoln Project posted a very good video on it in the Russian language. It is called "OLd Man" and it asks outright what the Russian people will think when their young men return in body bags all to please Putin the older man. I would paste it here now but my copy and paste is not working. If you have access to You Tube look for the Lincoln Project videos there.
Putin is many things, but not even a little bit stupid. And you don''t start wars just for shits and giggles or you had a bad day. Ask yourself, why is he doing this? It is a logical and predictable outcome of NATO/west encroachment on Russian territory, and the long history of lies and broken promises about how far NATO would expand. Putin is shrewd, calculating, and plays the long game. Why now? Not sure, but I think a lot of it has to do with the coming wave of green energy: wind, solar, storage, costs are all declining fast. Oil drives the Russian economy, and in 10-15 years it will be much less of a factor. Outside of oil, Russia is economically weak. So, he is acting while he can and has leverage.
The question should be do we care enough to risk a nuclear war over it. I am already down to vote yes. The reason is that if we don't put Putin in his place he will continue his quest for empire and will be a threat to the US eventually anyways, possibly on our doorstep and with him being more of a threat.
To simply say we support Ukraine is like when all those christians say a prayer, it is what you do when you don't want to do anything.
I hope Russia gets the hell out of Ukraine. But, at the same time, there are probably going to have to be some concessions given to Russia. Would it be a big deal if Ukraine commits to stay out of NATO in exchange for Russia to acknowledge Ukraine's sovereignty?
I am very concerned about Putin's state of mind and his apparent escalation of the situation by placing "Strategic Forces" on high alert. At least the USSR had rational leaders in the later years. Putin, I don't feel is a rational leader.
If there is a way for peace by giving some concessions, why not?