Yes, I think you're right: Orange Foolius is finally going down. Thank gawd!

My motivations for posting this were as follow:

Originally the core of it was a reply to a tag to a comment in another post. After I composed it (which took time and effort) I thought it would make a good post in itself. It's a lot of information that we don't see all together in one place every day. And this is not even a comprehensive list. I would like to see what others may add to it. And I would be delighted if they would in turn use it in arguments with Trump supporters among their own family and friends. (Trump and many of his supporters - including my interlocutor in the other post - are making threats ranging from rioting to civil war if Trump is prosecuted. I would much rather put in the time and effort to reason with them than to shoot them.) Finally, I wanted the person who accused me of being a moron for supporting Biden to see how that would boomerang; how his wild accusation would result in the wider circulation of a devastating argument against Trump and for Biden.

Nice additions to the list. What Biden accomplishments did I leave out?

Ditto. I voted for Biden and would do it again if he was running against Trump

@Unity Without hesitation!!

I'll take merely mediocre

As far as getting the job done is concerned, I think Biden is better than mediocre. He has a lot of notches on his belt.

@Flyingsaucesir That's fair enough. Everyone has their own assessment - and that's fine. The problem comes with those deluded enough to worship the inexcusable, and thankfully neither of us are heading down that rabbit hole.

Well, if you still support Trump after everything that has happened then it sounds like in your case the shoe fits.

And it appears that you have swallowed the right wing MAGA media bullshit lies hook, line and sinker.

When it comes to blind adherence to the narrative, the prize has to go to followers of the "orange Jesus" (a term coined by Republicans). I have never heard so much "la la la I'm not listening" than from you guys. Even on a secular site such as this, Trumpians will not push back against attempts to make America a theocracy. If Trump shouts "Lock her up" because Hillary's emails were insecure, you all chant with him. Yet thousands of classified documents stored in a golf resort basement are fine. You all cheer when he says something like "Only mob bosses and guilty people plead the 5th". Yet Trump does it over 400 times and that's suddenly different.
Every time he or his endorsed candidate loses an election "It was rigged". Every time witnesses swear on oath about his wrongdoing, judges rule against him or officials refused to do his unlawful bidding "they were bought". Every investigation is "The worst witch-hunt ever" (well since the last one and before the next). And you guys swallow it, balls and all.
Now before you reply with some whataboutism line like "The Dems are the same. No sorry but you are wrong. Biden has not had a free ride and neither have leading Dems. Look how quickly Cuomo fell from grace and compare that with Matt Gates.
I can understand how you might have liked Trumps' style and/or policies but should not give the man cart blanch to shoot someone in Times Square.
If I am wrong? Tell me one thing Trump has in your opinion done wrong, just one, I double dare you.

Ps. If you are tempted with a whataboutism reply, please refrain. Imagine if you are arguing with a Catholic online and you bring up priests involved with child abuse and the church's cover-up? Then the Catholic posts a link to an atheist gym teacher who also was a paedo. It won't make the priest or the church less guilty. In fact, it just weakens their case further.

45 has always been a serial con man.
He's also a pathological liar.
Anyone who refuses to see that is 100% deliberately ignorant.
Sorry. Not sorry.

@Trajan61 I didn't call you anything. Go back and read our conversation. After you said there would be civil war if Trump is prosecuted, I said "anyone who would stick their neck out for Trump is a fucking moron." Now I don't know that you are stupid enough to take up arms on behalf of the Done Cheato, but if the shoe fits,...

@273kelvin Well said!

IT is a lost cause to have any meaningful dialogue with the plethora of TDS Inflicted MORONS on this site .Good luck

@richiegtt You definitely got that right!

@richiegtt Hey I do not hear you even attempting to make a cogent argument. All you have offered is ad hominem attack. What are you, 5 years old?

@Flyingsaucesir He’s one of the few on the main forum of this website who make any sense!

@Trajan61 You are also invited to bring an actual argument, if you have one.

@Flyingsaucesir I refuse to have any dialogue about political issues with individuals on the main site or any group other than my political group of choice that I am a member of.To me this would be tantamount to talking to a religious person about my Ideas on agnosticism .A waste of my time and yours . I will offer my opinion on all most any other subject..I only reply to comments made by members of my aforementioned group as I did in this situation.

@richiegtt Okay, your surrender is accepted

@Flyingsaucesir I decline to debate with someone who doesn’t seem to have any sense.

@Trajan61 Define "sense"? Is it;
a, A reasoned argument, responding to questions and criticisms with answers and counters using verified facts (links provided)?
Or
b, Only accepting information within the Trump narrative, ie. All unfavourable news is fake. All investigations of him are "witch hunts". Any testimony against him is false, regardless of whom or under oath. And any argument can be countered with Hunter Biden?

@273kelvin Seeing as your British why are you so concerned about American politics? You have enough problems of your own to take care of. Hell you liberals don’t even believe the facts presented like open borders, skyrocketing inflation and the completely idiotic attempt to shut down oil and gas production which if successful would virtually destroy the economy.

@Trajan61 Yeah I'm a Brit but I'm on this site (which is mostly American) and I do have a lot of American friends. Secondly, America sneezes and the rest of the world gets a cold. My parent's generation lived through the great depression which was caused by the 1929 Wall St crash. The world is much more connected now and the USA's debt is incredibly higher. Now I look at America spiralling into some form of civil war, I should keep my mouth shut?
The issues you brought up are political policies. These are things that should be debated and then you should ALL get a chance to have your say at election time.
The investigations into Trump are not about policy, they are about unlawful and treasonable conduct. So let us not talk about policies but just one instance of real facts;
Trump is recorded as asking Brad Raffensperger to "Just find me 11780 votes" FACT, indisputable.
That is against the law. FACT. You cannot do this at your bank switching (votes for dollars) and not be charged with attempted theft.

Okay, before we get into a political debate here. I may disagree with your political views but I also know it is your country and many other Americans agree with you. All I do ask is to think twice before you support the part of the Republican party that supports/condones criminality, treason and violent insurrection.

@273kelvin The democrat party is the one who is a threat to our democracy with their bogus investigations weaponizing of the FBI and dept of Justice and using government funds to try to enlist more democrat voters. Also the main stream media has covered up for the democrats and publishes lies in their favor. They even oppose showing a photo ID to vote which is a damn good indication to me they intend to allow non citzens to vote. The Hunter Biden laptop coverup before the 2020 election is a good example of media corruption.

@Trajan61 Okay if you are talking about weaponising the FBI & DOJ, (I prefer the term "politicisation) then it's a case of whoever smelt it dealt it. Trump had Bill Barr whitewash the Muller report. Brought forth a completely bogus prosecution of Clinton campaign lawyer Michael Sussman, just to even out the score*. Even had the DOJ fight Trumps' deformation of character case in NY (for alleged rape). An unprecedented decision that is still ongoing. I know that Barr is now looked on by the MAGA crowd as a turncoat because he had one last vestige of honour but before that he was Trumps' bitch.
From what I can see, Biden has taken a back seat regarding the investigations. (As the POTUS should). He even left the decision of whether or not the Mar-a-Lago docs were executive privilege to someone else.

So tell me what investigations are bogus and why?
Jan 6th?
Was the capital stormed Y/N? Was the purpose of the crowd to disrupt or interfere with the peaceful transition of power? Y/N? Were there other attempts to disrupt or interfere with the peaceful transition of power? Y/N? Should this be investigated? Y/N?
NY civil case into Trump Org?
Is/was the Trump Org guilty of fraudulent accounting Y/N? Has there already been at least one successful prosecution? Y/N? Were other people involved? Y/N? Should this be investigated? Y/N?
Georgia?
Did Trump put pressure on Brad Raffensperger to find him 11780 votes? Y/N? Were other people involved? Y/N? Should this be investigated? Y/N?
Mar-a-lago documents?
Did Trump have them? Y/N? Do government documents belong to the government? Y/N? Were some of those documents classified? Y/N? Is it a crime to hold or store classified documents in an insecure manner? Y/N? Should such crimes be investigated? Y/N?

I do agree that US media is biased, either for corporate Dems ie. MSNBC, CNN (although that might be switching) or corporate Rep ie. Fox, Newsmax. The emphasis on both sides is "corporate". May I suggest looking for a less biased US view from other countries? Someone who does not have a dog in the fight such as the UK or even India?
But please take another look at the policy of voter ID. One side says it is to reduce voter fraud. The other says it is to restrict voting among the poor and minorities.
How much actual voter fraud has there been? Does voter ID restrict voting? In the case of the former, I suggest you do your own research and google how many actual prosecutions there have been in the last 20 years and how many were successful. The latter, I can point out that not everyone has a photo ID. I myself didn't have one for many years. If you are poor, live in the city, commute by public transport and work long hours. Then it's a big ask to take time off work and fill in all the forms just so you can stand in line (often for hours) just to fulfil your civic duty.
Let us apply some common sense here. Assume for one moment you are an illegal immigrant. Just how ready would you be to draw attention to yourself by applying to vote? I don't know about you but on the odd occasions in the past when my car was not strictly legal, I drove like a nun. The very last thing you would do (as an illegal) is to go down to an office and put your head in a noose. Yet you think this is widespread?
Oh, Hunter Biden again. We have already discussed this and seeing as I live on the other side of the pond and still know about it you cannot say it has been successfully covered up.
So just how much airtime has Fox/Newsmax given to Jarrads $500,000,000 from the Saudis? Since I pointed it out to you several weeks ago, how much have you yourself looked into it?

*Recently confessed to by Durham himself.
[verdict.justia.com]

The real prick during the Anita Hill hearing was Arlen Spector. He was the epitome of political opportunists. He almost became mayor of Philadelphia. He lost to Jim Tate. That election WAS probably stolen from him.

@barjoe Wasn’t Arlen primaried by Pat Toomey during the Tea Party movement?

@Organist1 So he barely beat Pat Toomey the first time 2004, then with Tea Party he saw the wing on the wall and switched to Democrat because he thought he'd lose to Pat Toomey. 2010 he got primaried by Joe Sestak and he lost. Toomey barely beat Sestak, that was a heartbreaker.

@barjoe Oh, yes...I remember Joe Sestak. Such a good guy! Do you remember Harris Wofford?

@Organist1 Yep he beat Dick Thornburgh in special election when John Heinz died. Sadly he lost to Rick Santorum. Joe Sestak was a Navy Admiral.

@barjoe Some Pennsylvanians, like many of the rest of Americans, lack even the tiniest amount of common sense.