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Why are Atheists and Agnostics still getting caught up in this Xmas BS? I don't have a childhood history with Xmas and Santa or any of that stuff but still there is a sense of urgency that seems to be a part of Xmas.

SnowyOwl 8 Dec 25
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It ended with me when Jesus did not bring me a pony. Wait. That could have been Santa Clause. My Xmas today was at my daughter's house where we talked and ate, had soda and other drinks, and I bought each of my daughter's a tank or gas.

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You can celebrate without acknowledging the religious aspect- after all, the traditions are mostly pagan.

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I've largely opted out. Too much stress.

As a minimalist since well before it became a thing, I don't give gifts because of special days - Xmas, birthdays, etc. So my Xmas stress due to shopping is nil. There is still some, but take the gifting nonsense away and it is OK.

@Mitch07102 - yes. Being thoughtful and generous whenever to mood strikes is preferable to any obligations based on the calendar.

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I do "celebrate" xmas. Not as a religious holiday, but as a chance to get together with family and eat and enjoy each other's company. My daughter moved overseas in September, and has made the trip back for Xmas so her children can renew their memories with the grandparents and extended family. Unfortunately, the flight yesterday was horrible, the children (ages 2 as of tomorrow, and 4.5 years) were not feeling great today. This is also a birthday of a 6 year old granddaughter. Yes, we have a Xmas and Boxing day birthday. We celebrate that we have the time off, that we are family and we love and care for each other, and we celebrate that the days are getting longer again.We're not celebrating Jesus' birthday, but we're celebrating family, and Sam's birthday. I don't care that the Xians co-opted the holiday, we're taking it back.The days aren't getting shorter any longer, that is something to celebrate.

I'm glad your daughter and grandkids could make the trip and I hope everyone feels better soon! Thanks for sharing.

@WilliamCharles Yes, Xmas at the airport sucked!! Yesterday was a bad day for flights all over, they were 4.5 hours late. Their flight to the US was late, and luckily their flight leaving for Omaha was also late. So they kept the same flights, but the timing. Kids were way beyond tired, considering their new home is 6 hours ahead of Omaha, they were up until almost 2 am.

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When my mother was alive and my nephews and nieces were young children, it was a time for the cousins and the family to come from different parts of the country and get together. Now everyone is grown up and having their own lives, and we just talk on the phone. No celebration. I never celebrated, I just enjoyed seeing my family.

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Because it’s not about religion, it’s about axial tilt, it’s about Winter Solstice and the long tradition of merriment before the Xtians usurped it. Our ancestors were trying to cheer themselves up in the darkest days of the year so they burned logs, decorated trees and made special foods. As someone who suffers from seasonal affective disorder, the lights and decorations get me through the short days until they start lengthening again.

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the antireligious are too often just victims of the pride, arrogance, and hatred they spew themselves.

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Must depend on the individual. I just look at it as a paid day off, pretty lights in the park, and an excuse to give people stuff I probably would have been giving anyway.

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I find xmas intrusive and oppressive. The music's bad. Without family there is nothing to recommend xmas celebrations.

I hear you. Please allow me to contribute the following. My closest relative is a felon, a drug addict and horribly abusive. I am working on ending that relationship. As for the rest of my family, they could not as much as trouble themselves to pick up the phone today.

Today I celebrate the absence of family. I also have a roof over my head and a working furnace, all of my needs are met, I make all of my own decisions, I get to have a nap this afternoon, the only hate I harbor is toward hatemongers and no one who knows me dares make a religious Christmas reference to me.

Life is not what I had planned but I am warm, fed and alive. I won't be featured on anyone's Christmas card this year, but I am still one of my favorite people and I can usually find a way to reframe any situation in my favor. Thanks for hearing me out. Chin up, gf.

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A sense of urgency to be a part of this Christmas bullshit? This rabid atheist has no such sense of urgency, despite a childhood where Christmas was an event acknowledged by atheist parents.

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20 years ago my duplex renters in Anchorage Alaska were Hispanic and always paid their rent before it was due... I said thanks with a Christmas fruit basket and they showed up at my door with a huge plate of traditional home cooked Christmas foods... roast chicken, tamales, refried beens, and tortillas... that is what it's all about - nothing more.

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My neighbor actually told me, "You don't celebrate Christmas, do you."

I said, "Why wouldn't I?"

She said, "You're atheist."

I told her the tradition predates Christianity and I have no problem gathering with family and friends whatever the excuse.

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'Keep Christmas in your own way, and let me keep it in mine.' - A Christmas Carol.

Ryo1 Level 8 Dec 26, 2022
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My family is scattered and the grandkids are all married or paired off meaning they have more than one place to go. That means I don't often get them all at once anymore. This year I had my daughter only and I had a wonderful video chat with most of my grandkids.

I grew up with Christmas as a big thing but I've never had a big family. I'm an only child and never had a grandmother.

I haven't believed in God since I was 16 but I've always felt that it's a good thing to sit time aside to be with family and show them you care about them.

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Being an atheist doesn't necessarily mean being anti-religion, we have to live with others in peace, so why not! Let's enjoy and share celebrations. it's simply one of the cultural diversity aspects in every normal society.

Diaco Level 7 Dec 25, 2022

I agree with you, however, I’m sure that you have observed that many, if not most; people validate themselves or their beliefs by invalidating others. A sort form of substantiation by negation from which they derive their temporary sense of identity.

@ASTRALMAX True! Certainly, we can do far better than this.

@Diaco The scapegoat in a variety of forms has probably existed before recorded history.

@ASTRALMAX Apparently, the word 'scapegoat' was first coined in the 16th century to describe the ritual animals that the Jewish community placed their sins onto in preparation for Yom Kippur.

@Ryo1 "In 1542 Parliament passed the Witchcraft Act which defined witchcraft as a crime punishable by death. It was repealed five years later, but restored by a new Act in 1562.  

A further law was passed in 1604 during the reign of James I who took a keen interest in demonology and even published a book on it. The 1562 and 1604 Acts transferred the trial of witches from the Church to the ordinary courts. "

Alchemists the forerunners of today's chemists were branded as witches. Basically, anyone who was deemed by the Catholic Church to be a threat was declared a witch. Scapegoating belongs in the annals of history, however, today the language has changed and anyone who challenges those in authority is deemed "troublesome."

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I love Christmas. There. I said it.

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People enjoy their fantasies.

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Hype and media saturation.

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  1. it is the Greyest landscape, short, dark days...my indoor & outdoor lights help dispell those things...i leave them up awhile too.
  2. my favorite charities all run fabulous "sales" this time of year, my funds go much farther & help more people, for example i got 6 llamas for the price of 3 from Heifer International, and Smile Train doubled my contribution.
    Makes me happy!
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I celebrate Yule with my GF.

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I don’t do any of it!!🤗

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Mid winter is time to get together with their family and friends, for many people. None of my immediate
family are religious, but we tolerate the beliefs of those who have them quietly. And we don't go around shouting 'bullshit!' every time some one says 'bless you'. In this way we get along with each other and maintain a diverse circle of friends.

I took my dogs for a walk on Christmas morning and I saw many people out, probably on their way to visit their families. They all readily said 'Merry Christmas' to each other as they walked past. It was good to see many smiley faces.

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It is your call... My Children are Grown. And despite my only marriage was a December 25th I don't do any xmas... Of course I am Divorced... I will Return for My Grandchildren when born... Your Call!!

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Bah humbug.

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I am not caught up in anything. I make what I want out of this day and every other day. I enjoy watching others enjoy the season for whatever reason. I like making things for people, usually food, and I like giving things to people, especially people in need. Christmas has no religious connotation for me and never did.

Someone I barely know actually invited themselves over to my house this morning because she "didn't have anything else to do". We ate and talked and I sent her on her way with a couple of surprises. She started questioning the legitimacy of transgenderism and I used compassion to explain to her why it's necessary to respect individuality. She never mentioned religion and she texted me later and thanked me for "making her Christmas".

You can make Christmas into anything you want it to be and influence others in the process. They can't require us to make it about religion. I hope I hit some of the issues you had in mind. Thanks for raising this issue.

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I agree with you. I do give Christmas presents to certain people because it's obligatory but it's all bullshit.

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