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Should prostitution be illegal?

I feel that our society's disdain of prostitution is derived from irrational religious morality so I'm curious to learn what you heavens think about this topic.

Here's what I think-
The exchange of sexual services for money between consenting adults is not immoral and should not be illegal. Porn actors are paid to have sex and that is legal but if a sex worker is paid to have sex he/she has committed a crime. How does that make sense?

Legal prostitution is safer/healthier because it can be regulated and is not pushed into back alleys and seedy places. Currently, prostitutes work under the thumb of often brutal and manipulative pimps who take advantage of them. They can not go to the police for help so they must rely on a pimp for protection. If it were legal, they would work in regulated brothels and would be protected by the law rather than persecuted by it. They would also be tested regularly for std's which would help control the spread of disease.

Regardless of how you feel about prostitution personally, the freedom of others to make their own life decisions should not be infringed upon if those choices do not cause harm to others.

Prostitution is as old as civilization itself. People always have and always will exchange things for sexually services and attempting to end it is folly. The prohibition of it causes much more harm than prostitution itself.

Prostitution prohibition is a result of a paranoid society sexually repressed by irrational religious beliefs. I see no detriment to allowing prostitution to operate freely and in fact I think it can be beneficial for people to have the choice of gaining sexual release without a need for commitment to a relationship. There have been lots of societies throughout history that allowed and even encouraged it without issue.

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It sure worked out great for Melania Trump. She bagged a rich guy, and now she is "First Lady" of the United States.. not bad for a "working girl"

Funeralgirl Level 6 Dec 30, 2017
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I think she is actually quite unhappy. I'm guessing she got much more baggage than she anticipated. I feel sorry for her actually.

It worked for all of trump's wives.

@marmot84 I'm sorry but I have no sympathy for women of this 'type'. She could always leave. But the money makes the world of difference.

exfuckingsactly i have all the respect for actual prostitutes who sell sex directly for money but I just need them to actually fancy me sincerely. if you film prostitution its all fucking legal.

@marmot84 Right. I think the consensus is that she is unhappy. I think it's obvious. I also think she's not very deep to like a guy like him.

@SACatWalker Do you really think she likes him?

She also wasn't a prostitute....there's a difference between a nude model and someone who does penetration for money. As much as I hate Drumpf, I kind of feel sorry for Melania...you can sense she really hates even being around him.

@Clauddvon thank you for your comment.

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Some people argue that prostitution is different from other forms of work because it involves the exchange of money for access to the intimate self (or something like that). I disagree, as I think that's a decision each person can make for themselves; what's too intimate for one person is routine for another. Prostitution will always exist, but it's dangerous when it's illegal. When women feel trapped and cannot go to the police for protection, that's a recipe for real exploitation and abuse.

resserts Level 8 Dec 30, 2017
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I started to read some articles because of this debate. on first scan legalization does not solve the problems people hope it would

@btroje I think you are right that legalization will not solve all the problems concerning this complex issue. But it will be a step in the right direction. We also need to further the cause of feminism and teach men to treat women with respect and dignity. These problems that you are concerned about will not end until chauvinism is dead.

the only difference is you get to sell your product, take it back and sell it again. footballers wives are just prostitutes pretending to be something else. I know at best im average looking in my younger years and for my age not bad. I like real people even if its a quick bit of lusty fucking once or the rest of my life. im realistically probably going to stay single really and im good with that.I want to fuck someone I fancy and make love to somebody I fancy and love their very life force, personality, their honesty, their mistakes and their faults. I want them to be the same. my biggest sex organ is either my skin or and my brain. in the meantime, I can watch Pornhub and imagine anything I want and be a bit lonely. I don't need women but I would just like one. if she's a lady treat her like a lady, if not fuck her. I know given the opportunity I would have been a right slag and potentially am. id be happier with someone I treat like a lady in public ish and like a complete passionate no holds bars erotic tart in our own time. it's the same both ways. I don't care what you used to be within reason ie kiddy fiddler or cruel fucker etc. I probably wouldn't care if you used to be a prostitute or porn star or even still are as long as your straight with me in the first place so i have the choice.

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In my country New Zealand prostitution has been legal since 2003, Here you get anything for your street workers to high paid women in great jobs doing it on the side. Alot of women do it and a lot of women also pay tax, so treat it as a normal job, This legal prostitution is called the New Zealand model, there is also the Nordic model, which is completely different.
Women can work on the street in some cities/towns, in brothels, for agencies, or privately in their own apartment. It is illegal to have unsafe sex, which i hope most people abide by.
Though as prostitution is legal here, it has attracted many women from China/HongKong and Brazil who choose to work here without the valid visa. (Although I have seen no complaints from men about that smile009.gif ) Also it must be why New Zealand is so peaceful... everyone is getting laid smile002.gif LOL

Sacha Level 7 Dec 30, 2017
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LOL!!!

COOL!

Hahahaha

Everyone who can afford it!

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If it's legal, then ideally it can be taxed, prostitutes will get health benefits, prostitute Unions could form, etcetera. Crime will be decreased as well, and police can focus on crimes that are truly important.

ErichZannIII Level 7 Dec 30, 2017
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Enslaving children and adults for the worst arm of the industry is a part that needs to be made not necessary.

And with the legalization of prostitution, a different approach could be taken to limit such atrocities. If a woman wants to or needs to sell herself and she hasn't been coerced into doing so, there's no reason that she shouldn't be allowed to.

There will always be those who use the most vulnerable amongst us, namely children for their own purposes, whether that's child slave labor, sex trafficking or other things, it's always horrible to think that it happens. But I believe that if prostitution is legalized, it could be controlled better, since the government would then be allowed to take an official look at tax records, names, income, etcetera for prostitutes, pimps, etcetera.

Prostitution and slavery don't need to be one and the same. They happen to often be synonymous at the moment because prostitutes have no legal recourse if their pimp abuses them, takes all their money or whatnot because right now, what they're doing is illegal.

If it were legal, they would have a much stronger position against an abusive pimp.

So Prostitution is legal in New Zealand, and all prostitutes are considered as self employed , and therefore must pay tax. Alot do, as to keep themselves in the system, back it easier when they want to buy a house etc etc. Though of course there are many including the illegals from various countries who don't pay tax.

There are always going to be those who break the law and don't pay taxes or attempt, as in the case of the prostitutes you mentioned, try to escape notice. But that shouldn't mean that prostitution should be illegal on its face.

There are criminals in any profession in every country. To ban the profession because of the few who are criminals is ridiculous.

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It falls under regulating & controlling a woman's body. It wasn't illegal until the advent of Christanity.

Onesixty8 Level 3 Dec 30, 2017
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As long as men control it, there will be abuse.

@GoldenMean I agree. I was just scanning a wikipedia article about legalized prostitution in Europe looking for something else. Germany has had major liberalized laws for some time. THere has been increased human traffiking there since sex tourism has become such a big business.Legal or not I think of the effect on the individual exposed to abuse and trauma and the ripple effect through society in present time and through generations. The current situation is horrible along those lines and I think legalization would not necessarily adress those issues

"It wasn't illegal until the advent of Christanity."

I call bullshit on that. smile002.gif

[en.wikipedia.org]

Hi, as one who has a Doctorate in Theology ( also is a Life-Long Atheist btw) I can tell you that the Catholic Church, the root source of ALL modern Xtian Sects, did attempt to make Prostitution Illegal in the 8th and 9th Centuries C.E. however it was only done because the 'so-called' common Whores and Bordellos were operating in opposition to those Owned, Operated and frequented by the Church Hierarchy right up the line to including the Popes and were eroding the Profits the Catholic Church was gaining from its 'little' SLY Enterprises.
Even to this day there are still Bordellos Owned and operated by Catholic Cardinals, etc, and frequented by ALL members of the Catholic Hierarchy especially in Rome and Italy.
As a point of note here, The R.C.C. still holds to the ideology that NO Prostitute can receive Absolution, the Sacrament nor be buried in 'Holy' Ground even if she/he is employed in a Bordello/Brothel owned by the Church.
Another PRIME example of Religious Hypocrisy indeed.

@Triphid Wow. Thanks for that.

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Charlie Sheen was once asked by a reporter what he paid for sex, he said he didn't pay for sex, he paid for them to leave. Face it, some guys just don't do well in relationships, why should they have to have a relationship just for sex? $100, in, out, satisfied. Is that hard to understand?

clarkatticus Level 6 Dec 30, 2017
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Yeah, for some people this is what works best for them. Sheen is something of a poor example as he knew he had an STD, did not inform partner(s) or use condom. ewwww that's pretty low life. I get the impression most of the people posting or commenting to this post act in a responsible manner regarding their sexual activity. It HAS been an interesting discussion.

Paid for them to leave! That's the first time I heard that. Very good.

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We recently had a post on this. I do believe in the legalization promoting safe sex and welfare
of the sex workers.It seems to work in Nevada except Clark County.

sassygirl3869 Level 9 Dec 30, 2017
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What's different in Clark county Compared to the rest of Nevada?

its not legal-Las Vegas is in Clark county.

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$10 handjobs would bring peace to the middle east...

buck1977 Level 7 Dec 30, 2017
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LOL - now that you mention it, yeah!! The only thing Prohibition brought the U.S. was organized crime, it did not stop people from drinking.

"Damn! I sure could go for a Starbucks."

"I don't think we have time for a hand job right now, Joe."

  • Idiocracy

@webbew1 lol you could have saved the world

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If a tax can be generated from the pathetic men that utilize this type of meaningless and degrading sexual gratification I am all for it .The only type of prostitution I was always against is when a female is controlled against her will by a pimp etc . Hopefully this practice will be eliminated

HarrySlick Level 6 Dec 30, 2017
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Wow! Pathetic men sounds way too harsh but if that's your opinion, so be it.

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Personally I have yet to hear of a woman (I can't speak for men) who has "chosen" prostitution as a lifestyle option . Most have to resort to drug use to be able to "do" it with multiple men per day. I don't think "the freedom of others to make their own life decisions" comes into it for most prostitutes.

GoldenDoll Level 7 Dec 30, 2017
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I think you have it backwards. The cases I've known were led to it to obtain money for their particular problem.

And, by the way, I do know people who have chosen it as a lifestyle and profession. I will admit that they are not street prostitutes, but on call for a select clientele. They make a great living and don't have sex with multiple people in a day.

Personally I have yet to hear of a person who has "chosen" ditch-digging as a lifestyle option . Most ditch-diggers have to resort to menial tasks to feed their families.
I don't think "the freedom of others to make their own life decisions" comes into it for most ditch-diggers.

People find ways to survive. Some sell the use of their back, others comodify other body parts. As long as there is a buyer there will be a seller.

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In countries where it is legal there are many women who choose it through free choice, at the same time there is still some trafficking but legalising it does seem to reduce the forceful element of it

if it was legal then women couldn’t be coerced into doing it. If they didn’t want to, then it would fail. Judicious monitoring by the state with serious legal ramifications for coercion should ensure a free selection.

I don't particularly enjoy my job. I go to work out of necessity. Yeah I'd say most of them don't choose to get into it as a lifestyle option but more out of a need to make a living. Perhaps if the industry was regulated and safer fewer who do get into it would have to resort to drugs to deal with it.

@Gatovicolo - Why would it change if it was legal? Pimps will still use vulnerable women/girls//boys to do the work. It's a dirty business, and legalising it won't make it any cleaner. I'd increase the penalties for using prostitutes, not being one.

I think there are some high end call girls and college women who do choose but choose carefully who they go with. But that is not the norm.

@GoldenDoll we are in agreement. Most of the people on this thread voice their opinion only.. I didnt have to dig too far into legitamate research to learn that legalization increases trafficking and increases crimeIn Amsterdam prostitutes were still harmed even with 3 panic buttons in the room..There has been more success reducing prostitution by punishing the johns..

It's not a lifestyle, it's a job. I've known both male and female sex workers who have enjoyed the job, and those who didn't. It's not easy work, but it works for some. It should be a legal job for those that opt for it.

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I beleive prostitution should be legalized, regulated and taxed. The reason why is important - legalizing removes the eleiment of crime. DON"T laugh a seemly simple statement. The perfect example is Prohibition, it did not stop people from drinking and actually gave the United States organized crime. The skin trade will continue whether it is legal or not, but under a legitamate business model the workers have legal protection and there will be less abuse. The down side of prostitution can never be made completely safe for the workers but there will be a higher level of protection than when it is illegal. Just my opinion.

silverotter11 Level 8 Dec 30, 2017
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Very well spoken.

In Germany and other European countries (Holland) is is legal and the workers work for the state and get benefits including health and retirement.

@JackPedigo Just like every other worker. Here in American, we don't even have that.

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@Spinliesel I know, those damned socialized countries?! Funny first it was communism and now it's socialism. We are our own worst enemies.

@Spinliesel Yeah for one of the richest countries in the world it sure seems to lack in areas that matter most. Sad state of affairs. Some countries plainly take care of their people better.

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Legalizing prostitution makes it safer for consumers and workers. You can get accredited brothels which must adhere to hygiene and security standards. Prostitutes can unionize. You get rid of the trafficking of women/ vulnerable women who do not wish to be sex workers. Legal brothels could have on premises security, counselor and even shops! It’s the most stupid thing to make it illegal. The illegality of sex work is misogynistic, and is another way in which women are denied safety and agency.

Livia Level 6 June 11, 2018
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Well Said

It's oldest proffesion,for centuries.better legalise then only we can bring dignity to human life and choice.i agree with you.

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As odd as it may sound, I think having legal regulated prostitution would be very healthy for a society. We all know what can happen when sexuality is suppressed (Catholic and Orthodox priests), and not everyone has someone with whom he or she can get some. I talked to my friend from Italy, to them sex is as natural as eating and breathing. There are MANY individuals who would benefit from some fun in the sack =D

JenWinter Level 4 Dec 31, 2017
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That doesn't sound the least bit odd.

In fact it sounds pretty healthy and rational.

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The controversy with the religious ethical ban is that when prostitution started to be a profession and a legal one, it was encouraged by religion (ancient Syrian religions) the idea was it is holy to spread love, and it was an honor for the girl to work as a prostitute.
A girl of a reputable family was to work at least a year as a prostitute in the temple to accomplish status.

With the spread of the patriarchal society, and women were more subject, controlled and property of men, prostitution started to fade away as a legitimate business and was deemed unethical.

Naeem Level 6 Dec 30, 2017
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That is so surprising that these ancient Syrian religions died out. Do you know of any re-enactment societies for these ancient religions?

@Treasurehunter the same religious ideas were adopted by other cultures through time, specially Greek and Roman, in general, the idea of salvation and for the God to die for humanity spread out through these ancient religions!

there are many books detailing how these religions affected later religions and cultures, sadly all I read was in Arabic and I'm not sure if it's available in English.

a very important scholar to read is 'Firas Al-Sawah", his work on comparing religions is amazing!

Try to google this book "Ishtar puzzle" it is one of my favorites!

@GeekLeen Welcome!

When did disease begin and why? If we conquer that, sex work will be better.

@GoldenMean I think it's a very complicated and controversial issue, I don't think I have formed a firm opinion on the matter, but legalization and regulation is for sure better than leaving it underground!

Maybe they should revert to the ancient religions and spread holy love rather than holy wars. Let the matriarchs rule.

There appear to be many ideas that religions have borrowed from each other and then become the one true religion.

Thanks for the pointers to further reading.

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I think the safest thing to do is to legalize it and regulate it. Put in into houses, make sure the sex workers get regular checkups, have the right to call police in case of someone getting dangerous, etc. If someone freely chooses that occupation, it is their business. I don't understand it, I could never do it .... but if someone wants to do that, fine. Make it safer. It maybe would cut down on a lot of the trafficking - forcing children or vulnerable adults to do this. Get the pimps out of the equation.

SKH78 Level 7 Jan 1, 2018
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When you realize how much religion corrupted our view of sex it's just mindblowing. Many countries have already legalized it and gained notable income because of it, while providing a safer, healthier environment for sex workers.

SamL Level 7 Dec 31, 2017
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Yeah... except it wasn't religion that led to prostitution being illegal. smile009.gif

"By the end of the 15th century attitudes began to harden against prostitution. An outbreak of syphilis in Naples during 1494, which later swept across Europe, may have originated from the Colombian Exchange.[37] The prevalence of other sexually transmitted diseases during the earlier 16th century may have caused this change in attitude. By the early 16th century the association between prostitutes, plague and contagion emerged, causing brothels and prostitution to be outlawed by secular authority.[38] Furthermore, outlawing brothels and prostitution was used to “strengthen the criminal law” system of the sixteenth century secular rulers.

[...]

The Church’s stance on prostitution was three-fold. It included the “acceptance of prostitution as an inevitable social fact, condemnation of those profiting from this commerce, and encouragement for the prostitute to repent.”[42] The Church was forced to recognize its inability to remove prostitution from the worldly society, and in the fourteenth century “began to tolerate prostitution as a lesser evi"

[en.wikipedia.org]

@TheMiddleWay I disagree with Wiki. There are plenty of religious and secular accounts that say different. I'm not going to bother to cite them. They're just too numerous.

@SamL

Cite or it didn't happen. smile009.gif

@SamL

That article you posted has nothing to do with prostitution.
In fact, prostitution isn't even mentioned in the whole of the text.

However, there IS an article on prostitution on that website and here is what it says:

"So it was that the Church could embrace prostitution when it suited, as it did for financial reasons.
[...]
The Church seems to have taken some pride in its promotion of prostitution, as for example at Lyons. When Pope Innocent IV left an extended Church Council there in the mid-thirteenth century, Cardinal Hugo made a farewell speech.

'We have made great improvements since we have been here. When we arrived, we found three or four brothels. We are leaving only one behind us. We must add, however, that this one brothel stretches from the east to the west gate3'"

The website you linked seems to say very much the same as the wiki I did smile002.gif

[badnewsaboutchristianity.com]

@TheMiddleWay You win. You're right. I'm too lazy and busy with other things to argue with you.

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As we all know, it's the oldest profession known to human kind. This is something that will never be controlled. Pompeii was known for it's brothels, along with the Greeks. It's part of life.. this was just another means to control the masses and religion was a huge part of why this is such a big issue with main stream society. There would be a lot less women out there getting beat up by pimps if it became legal. Its all about the money.

mistymoon77 Level 8 Dec 30, 2017
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Legalize it, regulate it, tax it...just like they do alcohol

SheThatB Level 5 Mar 12, 2018
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Regulate it with what? You're not coming through clear, and I smell a thirty page bill of extremely strict regulations in the horizon.

@DZhukovin Regulate in the same way they do alcohol, tobacco, and drug use. How they do that would be up to the politicians and who is in their pockets.

@SheThatB

Okay, so your idea is to regulate in the same way that do alcohol, tobacco, and drug use. How they do that would be up to the politicians and who is in their pockets. I use your input to show that this idea was fully addressed.

How is that going to remotely accomplish anything? All of those regulations you mentioned are founded on the premise that everyone matures in the same rate, with the same maturation profile, and the laws surrounding alcohol, tobacco, and drugs are so extensive, that it only complicates the issue of what the proper size of government is.

That suggestion is actually very mistaken. I don't know what you were told about the real proficiency that any government has in doing its functions, but they are extremely minimal and you have been misinformed.

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@DZhukovin the question was not about the proper size of government, or maturation rates of the general population. It was a simple question about whether prostitution should be legalized. I answered the question with my opinion. My opinion has not changed.

@SheThatB

Okay, so your argument is that both of us are working under different premises. However, we are both working under the premise that prostitution should be legalized, regulated, and taxed, just like they do with alcohol.

I was asking you to go into that more, but you were speaking tangents, and not answering my original question. So I will just ask it again: regulate it with what?

@DZhukovin I have no argument. I made a simple opinion statement to a question asking for an opinion. I'm not here to argue so I'll leave it at that.

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I really avoid posting curse words but here it is rather significant and appropriate. George Carlin once said " Sellings legal. Fuckings legal. Why is selling fucking illegal?"

Sex is at the least necessary for our species to survive. Prohibitions ( barring what actually hurts another person ) are completely arbitrary based on religious influence.
The reason for this is by suppressing and or controlling sex religion could control people. This was done to make people more dependent on religion. The hijacking of humanity and our natural instincts is what is immoral. Not two consenting adults having sex.

DavidLaDeau Level 7 Dec 30, 2017
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Very well said.

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Outside of religious and some religion-related societal dictates, prostitution is just a service... If accompanied by simple protection, health screening of customers and agents... Less dangerous than driving on the roads. Plus: The "world's oldest profession" exists everywhere I've been where there are human populations of size.... Legitimize it, and the workers (women and men) and help to keep all disease and pregnancy free.

BobFenner Level 7 Dec 30, 2017
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Legalize it, regulate it, and tax it. I do think you said it well.

HippieChick58 Level 8 Dec 30, 2017
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Decriminalize, regualte and tax...

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It's about time society came to it's senses and pulled this profession out from under the rug. Like many other passtimes that we currently and formerly labeled as prohibative, illegal by law just means passing the buck (litterally) to underground forces. In no context are more lives put at risk by this antiquated oversight than in the prostitution industry.

In a sense, this should be on par with freedom of choice (in terms of abortion) when it comes to personal atonamy of woman.

Should it come up . . . No, the sex trade is not all women. None the less, a rising tide lifts all boats.

Mb_Man Level 5 Mar 12, 2018
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I have no problem with legalizing it, but there is still the problem with "Human trafficking". So there would still have to be laws protecting sex workers and children.

Axelsan Level 4 Dec 31, 2017
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That's where the regulating would come in. We already have child protection laws. Legalizing prostitution shouldn't affect those. New laws of course, to protect the workers.

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Many problems alleviated or avoided by legalising prostitution than by criminalising it..

Marriage has sometimes been described as legalised prostitution.

Treasurehunter Level 6 Dec 30, 2017
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There are FAR too many laws in this country. No one has the right to make a law curtailing my right to choose for myself, as long as I'm not clearly infringing someone else's rights. We have given away an incredible amount of our individual freedoms, because a loud, wealthy, active, and christian segment of our population deems particular freedoms to be unsavory and against the teachings of jesus. They're opinions and feelings should only play a part in dictating their choices. They cross the line by thinking they have a right to dictate mine.

Artisan1992 Level 4 June 2, 2018
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Well put and of course you are right

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