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Should public nudity be legal?

The AANR (American Association for Nude Recreation) has the view that public nudity should be legal as long as the person is not doing anything with the intent of sexually arousing either themselves or anyone else.

The most stated reason by members is to get over "body shame", because doing so helps boost self esteem and confidence. There have been studies showing that children raised in nudist family have higher self esteem and confidence and are just generally more comfortable with who they are as a person.

On the other side there are those persons who seek out nude beaches and nudist events who have seual agendas. AANR nudist clubs don't tolerate such persons, and forcibly remove them shoudl they show up. I refer to such persons as "swingers" because they seem to fit the swinger lifestyle more than they do the nudist lifestyule

However, as a point of freedom. A freedom of expression, which does tno do harm to anyone, shoudl public nudity be legal? As atheists are nto burdened with religious mores , I was just wondering what the people here think?

I am a natuirst (nudist) and I have ridden the Portland (OR) World Naked Bike Ride, which has over 10,000 participants each year, and I have gone on nude hikes, visited clothing optional beaches

So, what are your thoughts?

snytiger6 9 Oct 18
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Short answer: Yes.
Long answer: I believe so but in a kind of regulated manner. It may sound odd but as mentioned in some of the comments/replies the within the nudist/naturalist culture people carry around towels for when they sit down. However, if one legalizes nudity across the board not everyone who is now going to go around naked sometimes will abide by that standard. Also, it would bring into question many laws about decency and even sexual assault. Yes, there is nothing inherently indecent about the naked form but if nudity is legal across the board then people who get arrested for things like flashing may be able to make more of a case - "My coat just blew open, they took it wrong." "Nothing illegal about being naked, chicks shouldn't have looked" - or if people didn't like a person being naked they could claim they were behaving inappropriately; again the nudist culture around sexual nakedness would likely not transmit to the rest of society. Let's also not forget how it is legal for vendors to kick someone out for not wearing shoes or a shirt and the same would happen for nudists - so that may have to be dealt with as well. To help combat these issues there would have to some sort of regulation or additional caveats legal nudity (until there is a cultural shift large enough where these issues wouldn't be a problem) these regulations may be from anywhere to requiring someone to use a towel is nude to only being nude on public land.

I've read all the replies and yours is one that seems to be more thought out than the knee jerk responses a few person put out there. Our society could not handle an "overnight" change, but it would have to be adopted gradually with clear regulations for purposes of public safety (and hygiene) so that people could adjust and adapt in a gradual and sensible way.

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I have no moral or ethical objection to it; I just don't really want to see other men's pubes. There's also the hygiene issue that others have commented on.

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I think it's a complicated issue, but I definitely see the argument about free the nipple.

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Only in designated area.I think anyone that would walk around nude in a public area with clothed people would be an exhibitionist.What I really don't approve of are family nudists ,where the mother,father and young children walk around in a nudist colony. It’s not right to expose children to this lifestyle when they have no say in the matter .Personally I do not even like the feeling of being nude even in the privacy of my own home .

Studies have shown that kids raised in nudist families, have higher self esteem, more confidence and fewer prejudices, and score "healthier" in terms of mental health tests.

The reasons beign that not beign taught to be ashamed of your body and the way you look has muc more positive influences on children.

As for people walking around naked surrounded by clothed persons... they are not "exhibitionists" unless they derive some kind of sexual excitement or satisfaction by doing so. Not feeling shaem about your body is not the same thing as exhibitionism. Exhibitionist make it a point to be seen and nake a point to draw attention to themselves, which is quite different for a nudist who simply would not care if they were seen naked because they are not ashamed of their bodies and don't care one way or the other if they are seen.

That beign said, most nudists do make a point not to be seen, not because they fear beign seen, but because they generally try to avoid doing things that might offend others. Also, they would try to avoid situations that provoke persons with sexual agendas.

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I don't know dude but topless is definitely allowable in my book at least ;D

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I'm all for it, given the right circumstances. As suggested above, as long as it not sexualized and regulated. There is always one or two bad eggs in any group that will join for nefarious reasons. I think climate may be more of a hurdle in my country, we have a deminished ozone and a very high rate of skin cancer.

I recommend Nutrogena sunc screen. The creme, not the spray. In Palm Springs with high temps above 110F, I only needed to apply it once, even though I went in and out of a pool. I've never burned while wearing it, but I have still tanned. Until I used it, I thought the idea of blocking burning rays while letting tanning rays through was just hype (It is just hype for most sun screens, but not this one). It is expensive though.

Anyway, tha twoudl be how to avoid burning and/or skin cancers.

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Only if you look good in it.

The whole point (of nudism/naturism) is to be completely comfortable in your skin no matter how you look to others.

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Imagine D. tRump in the nude!!! (please don't)

Seeing him nude would be no big deal to me, but I'd be really upset by he'd he behave if he were nude. He has no sense of propriety (doing what is proper and acceptable). Trump has the mentality of a sexual predator.

At AANR nudist clubs, they are on the bigilent lookout for sexual predators and promptly remove them.

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lol, hell no! Its always dudes that look like Trump that want you to join the Oldmansac Society. Its great to be free, but things would degenerate quickly if everyone's flippty flopitys were hanging out in public with no real context, I mean, cmon, this is America! not some lightweight perv country like Italy or Greece!

Ironically, your examples of Italy and Greece have had not probloems with things gettign out of hand, as you suggest they night if nudity were no big deal here.

Neither has there been problems in France or Germany, where nudity is generally mroe accepted, or any other country where nudity is less of a big deal than it is here.

Wait, what are you talking about? Naked women can't freely just hang out and walk down the street in public in any of those countries. Women everywhere are freaking out about being just catcalled. Explain how everyone getting naked is the answer there.

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I'm not sure where to start.
On one hand the idea that men can have their shirt off and women can't basically pisses me off. I hate that duble standert.
I'm sort of ticked off at how the US is rather prudish about nudity as well societal norms about body image that really hurts a lot of people that try to fit body stereotypes, or people who shame others who otherwise have fine normal bodies.

However from another side of this nudity usually makes me uncomfortable but I'm also wondering if that is also my own internalized shame taught by society. I have extreme low self-esteem and for the most part wish I could feel comfortable naked but most of the time I'm covered in layers.
I think part of it is the view on nudity and being nude equated with sex in mass media.
Also from a sexual trauma background there are some who have made nudity or mostly flashing as a weapon.

Basically I can see no reason why nudity should not be legal, however it is not legality that needs to change first, but societies views on nudity.

Tess Level 3 Dec 14, 2017

I agree in that society's viewsof nudity needs to be changed to be more positive.

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In the interest of keeping the peace. I'd say that it should be illegal. Save for designated areas, events, etc.. Imagine you're sitting on a bus and it starts to get crowded. Then some nudist dude gets on and has to stand because there aren't any seats left, and now you got some random person's junk all in your face. That shit ain't cool

The public transit scenario seems to come up a lot.

Generally, nudists/naturist tend to try to behave in such a way as not to offend others. That is just a part of the culture and etiquette.

As an example, most people who ride in the World naked Bike Ride in Portland Oregon, will ride naked to the starting point of he ride (Starts at a different place each year). Those who take public transit to get to the starting point of the ride, won't get naked until they get off of the last public transit vehicle. Legally, a person who is on the way to a protest in Oregon, can be naked all the way there, including on public transit, but people simply do nto choose to do so out of courtesy for others. (The World Naked Bike Ride(s) are protest(s) against the world's continuing dependence on fossil fuels.)

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Yes it should...im sry to all you overly sensitive ppl, but im not sry. Decency/censorship/prudeness are some of the things holding the human race back from real self discovery. I do not now or have i ever had a problem with naked ppl. That all they are so yea.

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Why not? Why hide parts that everyone knows are there?

Humans are unique in that when we face each other we can see our reproductive organs. Among animals showing each other reproductive organs is used for dominance displays and reproduction.

Nudity taboo is nearly universal as a result. You do not want to be triggering old animal instincts in other people casually.

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We need to be retrain and reprogram and convert those in the clothing industry train to be coal miners.

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To paraphrase George Carlin self esteem is not the be all and end of all of children raising. Sociopaths have great levels of self esteem.

Honestly I am a bit of a prude. I have zero problems with nude beaches existing but I won't be going to them.

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No No NO Have you seen some of those in clothes in Walmart. They would really scare me unclothed! Same goes for some of the beach clothes > Many are just better with clothes on myself included!!!

It is sad tht we live in a society where less than 10% of ht eopulation can fit into wha tis generally seen as "attractive", and we also tend to feel shamed if we dont' meet the unrealistic expectations advertisers have promoted as the ideal.

You will find in naturalist/nudist literature that there is a lot said about overcoming "body shame" and "body shaming". This is because a part of nudist/naturist philosophy is to learn to accept ourselves for who we are and also to accept others for who they are, rather than putting so much focus on where we all fall short of societal expectations..

Personally, I think it is a better way to live, to be comfortable in your own skin, instead of having constant worry and shame about how you don't live up to an unrealistic ideal promoted by advertisers, who use models with eating disorders and Photoshop all the imperfections out their ads

Average people usually have a least a few extra pounds on them. That is what normal people actually look like. Not the eating disordered Photo shopped models. The sooner people who are just average realize that they are "normal", the sooner average peopel will feel good about themselves.

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Nudity should be allowed and accepted in some places, but not all. Love the Naked Bike Ride.

Yeah, I do htink that places of business shoudl be allowed to mandate dress codes for people who enter their business.

Are you doing the ride this year? I have done the Portland WNBR every year since 2008. Wouldn't miss it for the world. It's like being a kid again. Would love to have someone to share the ride with. Last year people went into the fountain in the riverside park down town at the end of the ride. It's like being a little kid again. Look for a video of it on youtube

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I say, not in winter. It gets a little nippy, nippley out. Wouldn't want anyone getting frost bite. LOL

Yes, the two main purposes of clothing is warmth and protection. Clothes do serve a purpose, but when those purposes aren't really relevant, then clothes are not really needed.

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Yes, we are born nude but society dictates that we cover our bodies and make being nude in public or exposing certain parts to be a crime, Not meaning sexual but in general terms. There is no shame in the human body, we all have the same basic parts . I think we should all go natural buck ass naked , especially in the summer

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Because America was founded on Puritanism, I believe acclimating to an eventual nudist society will take a lot of time. If you consider that during the Victorian age of the 19th century, long table cloths were standard in ladies parlor's because men were sexually aroused by "Queen Anne" table legs. Our society has changed a lot in 130 years. Who knows what it will be like in another 50-100 years. Just like alcohol, marijuana, and other taboos, there will always be people who are excited by things they can't have. Europe has allowed teenagers to drink for decades and their teenage drinking issues are almost nihl. I hope one day that we learn how to accept everyone as a whole, without the stigma of sexuality defining us. Only time will tell.

I find the idea of gettign sexually excited by table legs to be pretty funny. Studies have shown that persons who have no outlets for sexual desire pretty develop neurotic and irrational behaviors.

I have often thought that a lot of religious persons are adamantly against sex just to get the that extra excitement and thrill out of doing the forbidden.

In ancient Greece or Rome, I doubt anyone ever got turned on sexually by a table leg.

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How much nudity? Primitive societies were practical and pragmatic. Cant suggest total nudity in a Siberian winter, Would be workable in Tahiti. But I admire the well maintained, fit human body any time. Nothing to do with religion.

lecoq Level 4 Dec 19, 2017

I think we as a society need to move away from idealizing models with eatign disorders who have had all their imperfections Photoshoped out of the photos we see, andjust become more comfortable with how average people really look and not be disgusted by even the slightest imperfections.

I find it interesting that nudity laws were enacted over concerns about sex and sexual attraction, but almost all the negative comments here are in regards to not wanting to see naked fat people.

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It would be good to have clothing optional beaches. I wear modest clothing but each to their own.

SKH78 Level 8 Dec 19, 2017

I used tojus twer modest clothing, but I don't like having tan lines Tan lines just dont' llook natural to me, and if nude, they draw attention to the non-tanned areas as if highlighting them.

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I was just thinking about March 1974 when the "streaking" fad swept American college campuses. It was funny!! At one college, 1200 students removed their clothes and pranced around campus buck nekked. The police could not do anything. No room in the jail for 1200 illegal nekked bodies. There was a lot of mooning going on, too. Lots of people just laughed their buns off. Religious people were horrified and angry. Man, was that funny!

SKH78 Level 8 Dec 19, 2017
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I grew up in France and there are plenty of places where you can be nude. Any beach women can be topless. It never bothered me and people do as they please.

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I think there is a time and place for this. In Canada in winter - not so much.
I think you should be able to be naked on beaches, on your own property, and at the homes of likeminded people.

I do not believe you should be driving a motorcycle nude - or shopping nude etc... so NO.

WHY? Because there are many people (myself included) that other people just don't want to see naked! I cannot imagine going to the store and seeing all those wal mart shoppers naked. EWWWW.

In Oregon, even though there are some local ordinances against nudity, a State Supreme court ruling said that nudity was a right, and the local ordinances are not really enforceable.

However, as to your concern, the right to be nude only applies to the commons, such as public sidewalks, streets, parks, etc... You cant' legally be nude on privat property or at a place of business which does not allow it, as that would fiolate the law under "creatign a public nuisance", and even if a business if open to the public, they are still privately owned.

Anyway, despite nude friendly laws in Oregon, few person actually take advantage. This is mostly because naturists/nudists try to not deliberately offend others, unless as a part of a protest (such as the World Naked Bike Ride(s)).

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