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Should public nudity be legal?

The AANR (American Association for Nude Recreation) has the view that public nudity should be legal as long as the person is not doing anything with the intent of sexually arousing either themselves or anyone else.

The most stated reason by members is to get over "body shame", because doing so helps boost self esteem and confidence. There have been studies showing that children raised in nudist family have higher self esteem and confidence and are just generally more comfortable with who they are as a person.

On the other side there are those persons who seek out nude beaches and nudist events who have seual agendas. AANR nudist clubs don't tolerate such persons, and forcibly remove them shoudl they show up. I refer to such persons as "swingers" because they seem to fit the swinger lifestyle more than they do the nudist lifestyule

However, as a point of freedom. A freedom of expression, which does tno do harm to anyone, shoudl public nudity be legal? As atheists are nto burdened with religious mores , I was just wondering what the people here think?

I am a natuirst (nudist) and I have ridden the Portland (OR) World Naked Bike Ride, which has over 10,000 participants each year, and I have gone on nude hikes, visited clothing optional beaches

So, what are your thoughts?

snytiger6 9 Oct 18
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If only we all appeared like a Greek sculpture, what beauty we might behold when nude! But we're not, for the most part, Apollo and Venus, and the thought of all of us naked makes me shudder. And yet, upon further reflection, how many of us are blessed with flawless bodies? Perhaps it would do us some good to humble ourselves in this way? I doubt we will see that day, and yet I have periodically fantasized about being invited to a Betazed wedding!

Not all Greek sculptures we of models of ideal beauty, but those are the only ones we ever see or are (widely) photographed.

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Me: not going nude. Other people, don't really care one way or the other.

Honestly, I don't even care if people are having sex in public. LOL.

Neither one is going to be me however! Pretty sure that an audience would really kill my mood.

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No as the majority of people who want to be naked in public should not be !!

Definitions of "beauty" are arbitrary and have varied from one culture to another. It is only recently, with easy world communication that that has been any general agreement. Too bad it currently centers on models with eating disorders and Photoshopped pictures that create a totally unrealistic standard of what beauty is. Nobody can maintain the current standards of beauty forever.

Naturists/Nudists in general are not so judgemental as society in general. No matter wha tyou look like, you are generally accepted. Judgements are reserved for how you act and behave and not in how you look.

@snytiger6 yeah heard that excuse countless times but I still stand by what I said

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Public nudity is already legal. At least I have been to nude beaches...

Ungod Level 6 Feb 25, 2018
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I think it is already here in Oregon. LOL. Don't really care much, most humans look a lot better in clothes!

Bunch of giant naked no hair primates. Gross. hehe

Yeah, in Oregon the state supreme court ruled that nudity is a right under the state constitution's freedom fo expression. However, the language of the ruling was pretty abiguous, so it is only clear that it is legal when you are protesting. The rest of the ruling was kind of vague or gray. So, local ordinances against nudity are still on the books, but so far, everyone who challenged such laws got the cse thrown out based on that court ruling.

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Nudity is legal in USA since 1932....I mean, nudity in places designated to its practice. Now, public nudity in general needs a highly educated population no tolead to all kinds of problems.

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Google "Cap d'Adge" Is a nudist village. I would love to go.

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When I was young I thought 'why not'. But in reality I don't want naked people sitting where I sit, or anywhere near me when I eat. It is unsanitary.
If people want to go nude at the beach, on the beach, I would not care. But I do not want to see old people naked, I am 71 yrs old. I am in decent shape, but I don't think anyone would want to see me nude if they could help it.
Young healthy good looking people are not so hard to look at nude. But I don't know anyone my age that I would care to see nude in public. Just seeing someone my age in a bathing suit can be bad enough.
I agree that if womem want to go topless like men that is only right. There is no sanitary issues with that. But bottomless in most circumstances is not good on several levels. On the beach is one thing elsewhere is a totally different issue.

I want to ad that if at sometime everyone accepted nudity, with sanitary precautions in place, then if someone chose clothes in a place with all nudes they would be the ones sneered at.
If all were nude there would be a lot more for others to poke fun at and shame others. Humans will not reach an evolved state, as some here think they have, for many more generations, if ever. Besides, humans like to look their best and dress up sometimes. And only a 1/4 of the population at best will ever look good nude. The rest of us will want some sort of clothing depending on the weather and circumstances. Sports in the nude would be hazardous and unsanitary in many cases. if you like freedom for your genitals just wear a big light weight sack dress or toga. Then there is the problem of skin cancer which affects more people than ever before in history, especially along the West coast.
I like the example some mentioned of areas where you are caught in a crush of people, like subways and concerts, etc. Even with people dressed there have been women raped on crowded subways. Imagine how much easier for such an action if everyone was nude. An erection in public might get you arrested for assault in such a crowed place. And that is something many men can not control.
Many problems with total legalization of nudity. I am for limited legalization for certain areas or venues. But it would have to be looked at by a panel and all aspects reviewed for sanitary, health, and safety problems before permission granted. It is not a simple thing in a modern society, even once the morality issues are put aside.

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Some studies have shown that children raised in such an environment are psychologically better balanced, and some show that exposure to adult sexual organs contributes to a feeling of body shane and feelings of inadequacy in children. Maybe there should be more studies with better paradigms to get to the truth.

My general feeling about nudity is that it seems unsanitary to me. People can leave germs on places other people sit, and some areas that come in contact with those germs, some of which can sit there for awhile, are areas that are more likely to pick up disease.

Beyond that, my first husband pretty much insisted on only wearing a muscle shirt around the house, and I got really annoyed with having to constantly try to get brown streaks off my white couches and light tan dining room chairs.

Wow. It sounds like yo had good reason for your ex to become an ex.

Nudist culture pretty much has persons carrying dowels to sit on for sanitary reasons.

Between the studies for kids raised by nudists and non nudists, all show that if parents don't make children feel ashamed of their own bodies, then they have a more positive life outlook and higher self esteem. Body shaming is actually much more common among persons who insist that everyone wear clothing all the time.

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I don't want to see everyone naked somethings should be left to the imagination

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I say go for it. The human body is not disgusting and evryone has one. There is really no reason not to go nude. Rapes occur with and without clothiing on the victims.

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I think it is fine to be nude in public.....just be sure to use sunscreen.

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Aside from the health and safety concerns (skin cancer being high on the list) I wonder were nudists with a cancelled carry permit would put their gun. LOL

Kimba Level 7 Mar 9, 2018
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Once I went to a nude diner...in Manhattan.

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Don't "stone me", but I think no. These are my reasons. I grew up in a cult with major sexual abuse. Another example is the Catholic and Baptist churches with their sexual abuse stories hitting the fan. Plus intranet child porn being at a high. All of that to say it just provides too much more "easy access", in my opinion. There are simply too many deviants in our precious USA.

At nudist clubs I hear stories about the few deviants who show up are quickly spotted and removed with the clear message that if they ever come back they will held for the police. Teh Naturist/Nudist communities watch out for such persons and let them know they aren't welcome.

Of course that is at private clubs...

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Yes. Is the human body so disgusting we have to make laws to prevent it being seen? No wonder we have so many problems around sex in this world. That being said, it's too late for me. I'm not showing my naked ass in public.

A lot of nudists actually start later in life. It seems the attitude is after you get so old that they just say "what the hell". Pesonally I wish I had started much younger.

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In very hot weather it would be pleasant - or even if women could go around topless in the summer - I do envy men who can just take their t-shirts off on a hot day, why can't I? (Especially as some men have man-boobs probably bigger than mine!)
If everyone was used to seeing others naked, there wouldn't be an issue.
Just not in eateries though, please...!

I know in NY women can go topless. However in Arkansas rather than let women go topless they actually made it illegal for men to go without shirts (although for men it is usually not enforced).

Unfortunately, think of the sexual harassment in city centres, and probable accompanying violence. I feel society should ban nudity in crowded areas (imagine a crowd of strange men pressing up against you and pretending it's because of the crowd.). In certain areas nudity rules could be relaxed, to allow people to be topless legally. (Some of the men I've seen topless, or dressed in a vest, in your neck of the woods are gross, by the way. So if they can go topless, why not women?) Beaches should allow people to be topless, unless designated otherwise. ... and certain, well marked areas should allow full nudity, provided there are warning signs prominently displayed so those who wish to stay away may do so.
Maybe you should suggest it to Caroline Lucas! 🙂

@Petter do I detect you're local to me? Caroline Lucas is of course our local Green MP although I don't actually live in her constituency. Actually Brighton has its own designated nudist beach, I don't use it, but although it caused a stir locally when first opened, nobody takes any notice now...

@Astrantia I live in the extreme South-East of Spain, but visit England regularly. My son lives in Banstead and my daughter used to live in Ardingly, but recently moved to Godalming. I own a house in Hailsham, very near to Newhaven, but it is let.
There are designated nudist beaches here, which likewise receive little attention.

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It sounds like you have plenty of options for going naked. Good for you, and enjoy! I enjoy nude resorts and spas myself from time to time.

If you are advocating for the freedom to be naked at any time, in any public space, I would have to take exception to that. Just as "freedom of religion" should imply "freedom FROM religion", so should "free to enjoy nudity" should also imply "freedom to avoid nudity in public". Or something like that.

Excellent point. As per smoking, feel free to subject your own lungs to it, but don't force others to have to share it.

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All within reason. More clothing optional Beaches, Yes. Stop criminalizing a womens breasts as indecent. If it doesn't apply to fat hairy men with big breast then it shouldn't apply to women.

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Only with lot and lots of education. We'd have to educate adults more so than children... likely be a never ending education (especially me)... maybe in the next world, when we populate another warmer, liveable planet, with beaches, lots of beaches and sunscreen.
No, none, zero religion allowed... ever... under the threat of crucifixion.

Tomas Level 7 Mar 15, 2018
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The Scottish author Sir Compton Mackenzie campaigned for women to be allowed to be topless back in the 1920s. Mind you he lived in the Hebrides where its pretty cold for most of the year. While Th this would be acceptable in public open spaces I think restaurants, cinemas, theaters and public transport would not be suitable for nudity.

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Are we all carrying towels for hygiene, I FERVENTLY hope!?!

I'd hope to too. In naturist/nudist clubs that is the general etiquette.

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I'm not really sure if it something that we need to be seeing, nudists walking down a city street. If they wanted to go to places where nudity would be more acceptable, no problem. Would nudists be acceptable in the work place? Would there be limitations? Going nude on public transportation?

For purposes of hygiene there would of course have to be some limitations. However the idea of feeling shame about nudity or about ohne's own body is a learned behavior that I think society could do better without having.

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I work with a guy who is my height-5'7" and is way over 300 lbs and it's not muscle-so I really think that clothing optional is not an option here.
Although I think that the right clothing can make the after dinner date dessert way more interesting and fun.

I think ideals of beauty are nostly learned, as is feeling shame over how one looks.

The truth is that the guy you describe, would be seen as "disgusting" by most of society with or without clothes on. It is even worse for women. I dont' see any value to that learned behavior.

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I have no issue with it in principle IF it respects one of the most neglected of personal freedoms: freedom of association.

Maybe others don't want to see, much less learn to appreciate, my gnarly old bare ass. I should respect that.

Maybe some people don't want their gnarly old bare ass judged. That doesn't make them prudes or repressed or part of a clothes-ist conspiracy. Such people should not have to choose between being uncomfortably exposed or being thought of as holding back society. Some of us are more withheld then others, and that is okay.

Besides, it's not like all our problems would be solved and no new ones created if we all put Duluth Trading out of business because they can't sell any more Buck Naked Underwear (tm). I think modesty has upsides. For one thing it leaves a little bit of mystery, something for the imagination to engage with, rather than turning the human body into a clinical slab of meat. I submit that if nakeness were rendered basically asexual by widespread societal nudity, it would completely change the psychodynamics of sex, and probably not for the better, either. Foreplay, and, yes, un-dressing, is part of the fun.

Finally, as a pratical matter, clothing is not just to cover our sex organs, it has practical protective purposes. People aren't going to be frostbitten or scratched up by brambles just to prove a point.

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