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Are You Lonely?

Being single can make me feel lonely, especially during holidays weekends. On July 4 and Memorial Day, I smell tantalizing barbecue grilling in neighbors' backyards. But I feel embarrassed to invite myself over to a friend’s family event.

All of my women friends are married. I have great female hiking partners (all married). We hike together one or two days per week. On weekends they are busy with their husbands.

The gym used to be a social place. But now everyone except me wears headphones. Headphones are a giant “Buzz Off- Leave Me Alone” sign. No more fun conversations with other athletes.

Meet Up disbanded in Wenatchee due to lack of participation. I didn’t go because their activities were too sedentary: playing Bingo and Bunco, pizza with wine/beer, and watching local (boring) baseball and hockey games. The Wenatchee Hiking Meetup doesn’t allow anyone above the age of 35. I could hike circles around those young whippersnappers!

As a Democrat, it helps to join marches and demonstrations. It’s wonderful to be surrounded by like-minded people. But that’s just one day. Volunteering as a college mentor helps me connect with people. The students I mentor win scholarships and go to college. That’s the point.

It’s lonely being a Democrat and atheist in a rural, Republican-dominated, largely married, church-going town. I grew up in Michigan in a family of highly intelligent musicians and artists. At age 21, I moved to Washington State to climb mountains, and stayed.

With a 146 IQ, I have felt different from other people, like I don’t fit in. Sometime I think I don’t belong on this planet.

"My intensity is too much for some people," my daughter Claire, 28, said. Ditto. But we both enjoy our intensity, heightened senses, high energy, intelligence, searching minds, sensuality and humor. This makes us who we are, and immeasurably enriches our lives.

As an extrovert, I love conversation and connecting with people. But I need alone time for reading, meditation, running and weightlifting. Although I enjoy being alone, I miss having a loving relationship.

I miss physical intimacy with a man. I don't mean just sex. I miss cuddling, foreplay, tender touch, romance, laughter and conversations. Without that, casual sex makes me feel sad.

According to psychologists, there are six types of loneliness:

  1. Interpersonal loneliness: This is the result of lacking or losing a significant, or intimate, relationship.

  2. Social loneliness: This is where a person is on the fringes of a group, excluded from a group, or is actively rejected.

  3. Cultural loneliness: This is where a person belongs to a different culture and feels that they don’t fit, or belong, in the new culture.

  4. Intellectual loneliness: This is where a person feels intellectually, or educationally, out of synch with their peers, their family or their social group.

  5. Psychological loneliness: This is where a person has experienced a trauma that separates them out from others around them. That is, it’s something other people can’t fully understand.

  6. Existential or cosmic loneliness: This is an isolating loneliness experienced by a person who is facing death.

For me, 1, 2 and 4 would apply, especially #4.

LiterateHiker 9 Mar 22
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If anything possibly 5. I deal with allergies and asthma but have been called a faker. It takes a special person not to notice rashes, watery eyes, stuffiness, wheezy breathing. It isn't to a dangerous, life threatening level but damn if it doesn't cause me serious discomfort and limitations.

AmyLF Level 7 Mar 23, 2018

Huh?? Who the hell would call somebody an "allergy faker?"

@BlueWave Inconsiderate, ignorant louses... that's who. It doesn't matter. They don't live with me so it isn't important anyway.

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I’m not sure if I’m lonely or I just enjoy being alone. I’m an introvert and being around people is exhausting for me. But I have major depression and worry I take it too far and am actually isolating.

Besides my parents I don’t have a lot of people in my life. I quit drinking and as a result, I’ve lost friends. It’s a fine line that I’m traveling on and probably needs further looking into.

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My parents died when I was a teen. This affected me psychologically and I had great feelings of not being a part of something even though I come from a large family. I struck out on my own and tried to find where I belong. It was very difficult but I believe I have come into my own person which is probably why this group is attractive. Then I found after I got therapy that I grew up with ADHD and depression and such. That couldn't have helped either.

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I didn't think I was lonely, until I read your preamble. I think I'm so used to 1. It's not a big deal, I've chosen it over being unhappy in a relationship. Time will tell if that will change.
3. I do get homesick for Australia, but when I'm there I miss friends in England; so can never, 'have it all'.
4. I miss my more intelligent and in synch friends, but this site is good. There are many people and comments that I can relate to and I'm learning, which I love.
5. Yes, I've suffered trauma, but I don't necesarily feel alone in that and am somewhat reconciled with it. But it does confuse people when they realise that I don't have a lucrative income as I'm not great with stress.
6. I know I'll die, I need to update my will again. Have a nice cardboard casket picked out with a floral print and a plot in some woodlands, so that's pretty much sorted. I miss my dead friends. A bizarre existance, but a beautiful one much of the time.
I hope you find some volunteer work or a better place to be where you won't feel as lonely Literate Hiker.

girlwithsmiles, Thank you for your thoughtful reply. Love how you wrote:

"I do get homesick for Australia, but when I'm there I miss friends in England; so can never, 'have it all'.

For years while visiting family in Michigan, I was constantly scanning the horizon for my beloved mountains. Felt like I didn't have a home.

In 2015, I spent a wonderful week with a childhood friend in Traverse City, Michigan. In early May, deciduous trees were filled with exquisite, tiny, light green, new leaves. Running up white sand dunes on Lake Michigan, walking through glorious Michigan woods: I felt deeply at home.

Returning to Washington State, I realized I have two homes: Michigan and Washington State. That brought me inner peace.

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I can honestly say, none of the above.
There are friends I miss seeing regularly, but that's only because we don't live near one another.
I don't feel lonely, and being alone is not a problem.

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@LiterateHiker -- Well, my friend, I can tell you right now that IQ has little or nothing to do with your dilemma. I have been alone a great deal. I have been lonely on extremely rare occasions and for very short periods.

I suggest you take your mind off of how intelligent you are and begin to focus on what psychological factors figure into your personal problem, then set about doing what can be done to eliminate or ameliorate them.

Your list of 1 through 6 could be reduced to the condition we call loneliness resulting from any one or combination of situations to which the individual is subjected. The end result is the same, but the problem is internal.

By the way, you can't stand in a rainbow.

Evidentialist, There is no reason to be mean.

Most of the women in Wenatchee are less educated than me. I hope I don't sound like a snob, but they lack depth in their conversation. I have zero interest in shows like The Bachelor, Pinterest and other things they talk about. I love witty banter and deep conversations about social issues, politics, news and personal growth.

In Wenatchee, I made friends with people who, like me, moved here from another state.

"By the way, you can't stand in a rainbow," you wrote.

I have met two other hikers who stood in a rainbow high in the mountains during a rainstorm. People don't believe them, either. Men lecture me on refracted light and insist it is impossible. Here's what happened:

At age 23 I was backpacking on Mt. Shuksan near Mt. Baker. We camped above the tree line at around 7,000' elevation. That evening we saw the sunset behind Vancouver Island, British Columbia.

The next day a massive storm blew in. Hail piled up like snowdrifts, washing ptarmigan birds downhill. ("PEEP! Peep... peep... pe...." ) Lightning struck around us. ("Here, you hold my ice axe." ) Pouring rain soaked us to the skin. The sun shone in a nearby valley.

And we stood in a rainbow. We could see the rainbow colors on each other's faces. I stuck out my arms and marveled at the colors on my arms. It only lasted a minute or two. We were not high. My hiking partner was a medical doctor.

Afterwards the sun steamed our backs as we slogged our way to the car.

This was a PEAK EXPERIENCE of my life.

I have to agree with @LiterateHiker on this one. I have been lonely in relationships with quite intelligent women. But it is so hard when your partner cannot hold your interest on many subjects. Best relationship I ever had was with a lady who had an IQ of 138 much below that and it just doesn't do it for me. Also the ladies do not feel secure when there is a big gap, even this lady was uncomfortable despite being the smartest woman I knew at the time.I would love to be with a woman who could hold her own on most topics.

@Rugglesby, Thank you for your kind reply. I find men with a college degree are better read and more interesting, with a broader understanding of literature, arts, cultures and the world. Kindness and respect are important, too.

@LiterateHiker -- First, I fail to see where I have been mean. If I have been, it was certainly unintentional. Sometimes, making observations can seem a bit rough, but an observation is all it is. I suspect you are referring to the comment in which I said you should forget about how intelligent you think you are. There was no other intent in that you should forget it.

About rainbows:

@Rugglesby I can relate to this. I was in a couple of relationships with people who were plenty intelligent in some ways, but lacking book/world smarts and emotional intelligence. It is hard to not be able to have those kinds of conversations.

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Lith-Ike, Can't help you with 1 or 2.

But, I know this website is great for 4.

I've made quite a few friends in less than three months. I wish I knew what the average IQ was here, because everyone here is so thoughtful and and a terrific communicator.

I read recently, on here I think, that intelligence is more intimidating to men than anything else. I don't have that problem and I don't think anyone else here does.

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I will also admit sometimes I feel lonely as well. Funny thing is the only one item that applies is #1. Everything else I have plenty of but sometimes familarity breeds boredom. It would be nice to have more variety and an occasional someone else to spend time and commune with. I like to drive and wouldn't even mind an occasional road trip. Odd, I sometimes feel lonely but also need alone time to feel free! A real conundrum.

After I broke up with my second, long term partner I was glad to be alone and found a great social group. We were all single and did things from hiking, potlucks, movies and travel so I didn't feel lonely. Another person came along and she was nice but I could see the relationship becoming boring in the long run. The next one was totally unsuitable as an intimate friend but, after over 20 years (she is now married) we are still friends. She lives in another city but I commute to visit. My big problem is that my last long-term relationship was so great I have gotten spoiled and miss a certain intimacy I haven't gotten in my local, albeit active, community.

"Odd, I sometimes feel lonely, but also need alone time to feel free! A real conundrum." Thank you, Jack. I appreciate your insight and wisdom.

Maybe its time to expand your boundaries?

@sassygirl3869 My boundaries are expanded to a certain point that is reasonable (drive-able). Living on an island shouldn't mean living in a box. There are lots of great places even within a 300 mile radius.

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Kathleen, I think it's wonderful that you know yourself well and that you strive to understand yourself. What you write applies to many of us.
So much of our existence is the Yin & Yang of who we are, the pulling in opposite directions.
Controlled by our moods, men & women.

What loses me with people is when their personality dominates. To me that is something that is outwardly projected, not an insight into who they are.
Which at the point of their of dominating personality intersecting with my inner, honest self.... I can no longer care or submit to "who" they are. They've now become "what" they are.

All apply to me except #6 and a tad bit of #'s 1 & 5

twill Level 7 Oct 7, 2019
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I feel 1,3,4 and 5. I have never had the luxury of being around people I could consider peers, so while i have very rarely felt social rejection, I have felt social isolation. I went through 5 years of a Christian mennonite schooling system without being apart of there belief system while being brought up in a religiously neutral household ie no stated viewpoints. I just joined here because I unfortunately discovered that atheists are 1 in 10 and my likelyhood of finding like minded friends or potential mates in the normal fashion is abysmally low.

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My cats help. I accept resposibility for for my lonliness (sort of, at certain moments). There are, and were, choices being made. I also accept I'd rather hang with myself, than with people I'm, at best, neutral about. But it would be nice to have 2 or 3 close friends, and a circle of 5 or 6 more casual ones.

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I've read all of the comments here. Mostly what I'm curious about is where y'all are getting these routine IQ exams?

BlueWave, After his first suicide attempt, my 15-year-old brother was diagnosed as a genius with a photographic memory and bipolar disorder.

Since mental illness is hereditary, all four of us kids were evaluated by the psychologist. He gave us IQ tests, too. I was living with a bunch of geniuses. We all excelled in school. My little sister skipped three grades.

I was 19 and in college when my brother attempted suicide. The psychologist said my IQ was 146. Since then, I have had two IQ tests with the same result. Even a recent, online test said my IQ was 146.

In this photo, I was seven (on the left) at Lake Michigan with my siblings.

I had my IQ tested a few times in high school, because I wanted to skip the last year of HS and move on to college. I don't like posting my IQ but let's just say it was more than good enough to let the backwards-thinking school people in my home town allow me to skip my last year.

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1 2 3 and possibly 5.Everybody has 6.

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For me 1, 2, 3, and 4. Not that I don't like to be alone. There are times I need to be alone. I want to live a partnership and still be able to share each others need for space alone. I am one of many topics and favor, history and science and not necessary a religious topic which I think the word religion should be changed to believers and non-believers.

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I experience relief at getting to go home and be by myself. I don't know that I've ever been lonely. I have never needed anybody else to entertain me and that may make a difference in how I experience being alone.

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I am lonely a lot of the time. My "work" life (the music side, at least; writing is by nature solitary) is populated by mostly people younger than me, and I'm close to a few of them, but not many.

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Majorly lonely. 1 and 6, although I have no plans on kicking the bucket anytime soon.

I'm sorry you are feeling that, @Nebroxah, so many of us are here for you even if we're far away.

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I work long hours and mix with a variety of people thru that, I also have time with my daughter regularly every week, there are the odd occassions when it would be nice to share the days events but not enough to make me want to change and give up my solitude and down time. I guess if the right person just hove into view it would all fit with no sacrifice but I'm realistic enough to know that ain't gonna happen but I like my own company and always have.
And out of your list No5 is the only one that would come close 🙂

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For me, 1, 2, 4, and 5 would apply.

marga Level 7 Mar 23, 2018
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I suffer from one, two, four, and six.

Gohan Level 7 Mar 22, 2018
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