Hey y'all, we seem to be militants.
Most all Religions teach to 'spread the good word'.. That's nothing new. Forcing via threat of death is a whole other thing, folks.. Yeah, Atheists also practice the art of Epistemology from time to time. The only Religious group I hear of that still kills people for being Heretical are the Shia Muslims.
Oh no. The christians still do it, too.
You just don't hear about it as often.
Those stories tend to get "buried" in the US.
@Trajan61 Okay.
The guy who walked into a church in Texas and gunned down 26 people in 2017.
Another guy who walked into another Texas church in December and killed 2, before he was killed by security.
Those were christians killing christians.
Then there was the the christian who killed 16 in a Sikh temple, thinking they were muslims.
The prisons are full of christians who have killed others because they weren't christians.
Some guy beheaded his girlfriend because he didn't think she was "christian enough".
@KKGator Oh for Pete sake, KK.. Those Christians didn't do what they did because their religion dictated they do it. That guy beheaded her for refusing to marry him, and that was after he stabbed himself in the stomach.. He was a psycho. Why can't you ever be intellectually honest about this stuff.. You're comparing apples and oranges and you know it..
@Captain_Feelgood Religious faith is a mental illness.
ALL those people are mentally ill.
It's not "apples and oranges". Not even a little bit.
@KKGator Uuuhh... Yeah, it is apples and oranges.. You're comparing people that kill and torture people because THEIR religion (Islam) dictates that they do it, with psychos that kill and torture people,, that just happen to be Christian.. Are you actually saying you don't see the difference?
@Trajan61
The genocide perpetrated by the Christian Serbs against Bosnian Muslims in the 1990s.
How quicky they forget!
@Captain_Feelgood White supremacists are christians, and they kill more people in this country than any muslim ever has. They do it in the name of their "god".
@KKGator, @Flyingsaucesir History lesson... The war in Bosnia was a civil war. When the Nazis dismembered Yugoslavia in 1941, they created a fascist puppet state of Croatia, which incorporated most of Bosnia. This state slaughtered hundreds of thousands of Serbs and Jews. From 1941-1945 more than a million Yugoslavs died, more than half at the hands of each other. In Bosnia, three nationalities lived before the conflict in inextricably mixed communities: the Muslims with 44 per cent of the population, the Serbs with 32 per cent and the Croats with 17 per cent. The communities lived in relative harmony. After the European Community demanded a referendum on independence in Bosnia, the vote split on ethnic lines. Muslims and Croats supported independence but the Serbs boycotted the vote and, again with the army's support, began a fight for territory. Religion had nothing to do with starting the war, and played no part in why they fought each other. One side being mostly Christian while the other mostly (not all) Muslim was coincidental.
@KKGator I'd love you to come up with anything that proves they (white supremacists) kill in the name of god, and not because they feel superior due to their skin color. Being Christian is just a (convenient for you in this discussion) coincidence. Again, apples and oranges. Feel free to read up a little. [en.wikipedia.org]
@Captain_Feelgood
Tell that to the thousands of Muslim men and boys who were herded into warehouses and shot by Christians, or lined up in the woods and shot by Christians. Just a coincidence? Ha! Not a chance.
@Trajan61, @Flyingsaucesir OK, but where did this happen? Serbia? Just asking.. I dunno..
@Grecio
The former Yugoslavia.
@Grecio writes,
"There is nothing good in Islam..."
That statement throws the baby out with the bathwater. There is both good and bad in all religions. That's what makes it so difficult to get rid of them. If they were all bad, like the polio virus, we would long ago developed a vaccine and eradicated religion from the face of the Earth. But people are attracted to the good bits and may not realize they are walking into intellectual and moral quicksand. Christianity is certainly no better than Islam. Both have at times been the rationale for unspeakable cruelty, violence, oppression, and genocide. A pox on all their houses!
@Flyingsaucesir Well said I must agree. However, I think we need the separation of church and state throughout the entire world. I am not against Christians and Muslims that are peaceful and believe in SOCAS. However, I think the philosophy of the entire world should be to help the poor peaceful Muslims stay in their country while the world helps them.
I think this has become the philosophy of several European nations like Austria where Muslim immigration has ruined their country.
@Grecio
I agree the vast majority should stay where they are. But the reality is that large parts of the world, starting with the Middle East and sub-Saharan Africa, are becoming uninhabitable due to global warming and war. (Americans are responsible for a a lot of that. Throughout the 20th century we produced 25% of the greenhouse gases, with only 5% of the world population!) Those people will migrate. I think we can absorb a few. Not a flood, but a few.
@Flyingsaucesir The USA needs to reduce carbon emissions but if only the USA does that, we won't gain much.
@Grecio
If we help lead the way on this, the transition will happen pretty quickly. It will be self-reinforcing, because green energy technologies are fundamentally cheaper, more efficient, and easier on the environment. Hell, just stop subsidizing the fossil fuel industry and it will collapse.
Speak up now before this bullshit gets out of hand:
"First they came for the Communists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Communist
Then they came for the Socialists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Socialist
Then they came for the trade unionists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a trade unionist
Then they came for the Jews
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Jew
Then they came for me
And there was no one left
To speak out for me."
Well said, my friend..
Bloody peasants!!
@Paul4747 wealthy peasants in the US apparently. [weforum.org]
Apparently Mr. Barr knows nothing of the 1st Amendment and it's purpose. He has it exactly backwards. Seems strange that someone with the title of "Attorney General" would be so wrong about one of the most basic facts about our country.
Or, perhaps he knows all too well and just wants to virtue signal to Trump and his (fan)base. It's not like he's not willing to lie when it serves a purpose.
Yes he knows all to well just like he knows he’s AG for the people of the USA and not just Trump’s personal AG
He's a Kkkristian facsist..fuck Billy Barbell and nail his scumbag ass to a cross..
Billy Barbell ! Lol
I'd like to debate that point with him. I think I'd win. It's a low BARR
A pathetic fear monger he is, and during an election year. How strategic.
I am a veteran who spent 11 years in combat arms specialties. Do you think the militant secularists can use a competent instructor?
@TheMiddleWay There isn't anything wrong with being militant.
@TheMiddleWay
I tend to agree. You catch more flies with honey than with vinegar. The problem though, is that the religious are largely impervious to reason. For them, belief trumps facts. It's sort of a Catch-22.
@TheMiddleWay
Pointing out that there is no evidence to support a belief is not a bullshit argument. It's actually pretty powerful when you think about it.
@TheMiddleWay
I never said the religious belief was wrong. It was enough to point out that it was not supported by evidence. And I did insist that the Earth really is 4.5 billion years old, and that humans share common ancestry with apes, and that the first humans evolved only about 200,000 years ago. These are facts, and that is how they should be taught. To do otherwise would be a disservice to the students. IMHO
@TheMiddleWay
Let's be clear: Christianity is not one belief, but a set of beliefs. The question of the existence of a deity cannot be settle empirically. But the age of the Earth and the origin of species can. And have been. And there is no "middle way" through that. It is what it is, to borrow biblical phraseology.
How freaking hypocritical, can’t stand these crooks, uphold religion at all costs, while we kill democracy! I hate all of his executive, I dream of ways of ways in which they die! I’ve never felt like this before, but I feel justified! They are really the scum in the bottom of bacterial goop!
This is bull! When I am at work and just had a customer try to hand me an Awake magazine after she finally got off the phone at the register . I never would impose my beliefs on someone else, especially if not welcomed in the first place. That is wat you call privilege religious zealots.
The corporate christians have been trying to provoke violence for decades. They will keep doing this until they get the result they're looking for.
All directed from our secret secular headquarters.
What is very scary is the fact that the rhetoric driving the violence is increasing daily...this POS in the WH is going to start a civil war if its the last thing he does...he doesn't seem to care who he destroys to get his way...jmho
That’s right. Sick psychopath and narcissist. Worst combo
What a strange thing to warn about. Christians in USA have been trying to get ride of other beliefs for years. Pot calling kettle black. With flat earthers and climate change deniers coming from the religious types then it seems like a fair response. X
So the Attorney General has an issue with the push back by the Sane People against the bullshit and lies peddled by the God Mob? Somebody give him a jelly baby - it might help him to feel better.
I'm not militant about driving out religion... but am militant about the teaching of critical thinking skills. Let people make up their own minds instead of blindly accepting what they have bene told.
The problem with the Attorney General is that critical thinking skills are anathema to him, just like all the other cognitive skills.
Americans should hope their attorney general would know something about the Constitution. But it's an administration full of grifters. And Barr is one of the worst of the worst. One of their main tricks is to say about others, that which is true of themselves. Saying they're not trying to establish a religion, it's the non-religious who are trying to interfere with their right to be religious.
Barr makes a mistake that is all too typical of religious folk: that people who do not subscribe to their way if thinking are automatically amoral. The notion that morality springs from belief in a "higher power" is simply preposterous. Moral compass is a product of our evolutionary history as social beings. It is part of the reason for our success as a species, and is completely independent of belief in gods, devils, angels, ghosts, and other such inventions of the human imagination.
Religions can (and have) incorporate immoral behavior in their moral codes (i.e. institutionalized mistreatment of women, acceptance of slavery, etc). The Divine Command Theory defines whatever God commands is moral even if the commandment is murder, rape, child abuse, etc. Someone who declines to follow through on what God commands from them would be considered to be immoral.
@RussRAB
I think that twisting of morality is what led Christopher Hitchens to write, "Religion poisons everything!"