Not sure if the world will survive another term of Trump at all. Four more years of actively destroying democratic institutions and the institutional knowledge that goes with them will piss off a great many experts running the world who might just say, "It's dog-eat-dog from now on" and take up pumping gas instead of shouldering the burden of fixing all the fuck-ups and rapine the destroyers or those who don't care have dumped on everyone. Destroying crucial alliance networks is almost accomplished already, along with undermining conservation and promoting environmental destruction bound to continue even under "moderate" government. If your reformed Senate can oust him immediately that would be a different story -- but I don't think they would, out of a misguided sense of loyalty to the office, as they say.

@Garbonza a different President and the same Congress will result in nothing getting fixed. McConnel stopped almost everything Obama tried to do.

@Lorajay solution: vote them all out & install term limits!

Eventually. But let’s vet the nominees first. A Bloomberg candidacy will lose Democrats votes from the black and Latinx community.

Head-to-head polls have Bernie beating Trump. Just look at the number of people who turn out at Bernie’s rallies and, so far, who’ve voted for him in the primaries!

@Bobbyzen uh huh. Bernie supporters love Bernie.

When was the last time we had a “functioning Democracy”? Corporations have been writing our laws for decades, from how much chemical toxins we’re allowed to ingest “safely” to banking and finance and weapons and war spending and rules. George W Bush took us into Iraq based on phony intelligence. Obama ran on a promise to hold that administration accountable AND to shut down the extra-legal prison in Guantanamo Bay, neither of which happened. Obama also deported 3 million immigrants, and Escalated the criminalization, caging, and separation of children. Sure, Trump has escalated all of the ills, and is a pox on America. But replacing him with another oligarch or corporate hack won’t restore a functioning democracy.

@Bobbyzen keep talking. No matter what you say I will never worship Bernie, and I will refuse to vilify Obama. This is politics, not a Dr. Seuss story.

@BitFlipper if by “vilify” you mean staying his record, then you made your choice to enable the oligarchs and corporate donor base. Which is how we got Trump in the first place.

@Bobbyzen it has become obvious that you are not here to debate. You are here to abuse and offend. I won't be seeing any future responses from you.

@BitFlipper ignore me, block me. I’m not abusing, I’m publishing the record.

Cite that source, please, I see nothing but the exact opposite!

Troll.

@Bobbyzen Not yet. November 2020 will tell when my words will ring true. I will be here to remind you all who have been living in a la la land.

@St-Sinner I’ve read a lot of your political stuff, who you oppose. I don’t remember reading about who you support. Who DO you support?

@Bobbyzen See I have answered this question multiple times on posts where you and I have been debating. But this common with people lost n books, articles and education. You do not read what is important but you keep mentioning data, articles, books, education, intelligence that means nothing to voters. The liberals have lost the fight of connecting with voters at large because they have been labeled as elites with the habit you are are perpetuating.

@St-Sinner So who do you support?

@Bobbyzen You must take the time to read.. [agnostic.com]

@St-Sinner, @Bobbyzen don't raise your blood pressure, this mealy-mouthed weasel will never give you a straight answer, never......

@AnneWimsey Agreed. I no longer engage with that dude. I will post a comment but I will no longer go back and forth with him

You are into making grand pronouncements and predictions (without offering any basis for them), and say none of the current Democrat candidates is electable. So, if we're talking democracy, I deduce you are saying name recognition is the only option, making little details like policies totally irrelevant. So, which one is it, Oprah or Michelle Obama? Otherwise, name someone more "famous" or "popular" if that's the sole criterion.

A pretty good start. The first start is making not voting against the law. Change the vote to one man one vote.

Get rid of lobbying? How would you begin to do that? You're dreaming....and just being unreal.

@Robecology unreal? so anything with high ideals is simply "unreal"?
of course you can get rid of lobbying ... or at least drive it into the alleys and then convict people.

@JeffMesser Start with getting stay-at-home voters out. Then work on getting rid of "Citizen's United".

Do you grasp what a "pipe dream" is?

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@Robecology I understand the dilemma after working on the Hill in the 80's. but merely abandoning the idea or culture of no influence is most certainly not the answer (which is what we're doing now). it's NOT a coincidence that most of Congress is millionaires now or soon will be. there exists a permissive attitude about it all provided you do your proper paperwork and don't get caught. I'd follow the greek thoughts about dorms and unis along with term limits and a complete bar to all gifts vice a yearly limit. everything is a pipe dream until you do it. then it's totally tubular after you find the source.

@morlll one PERSON one vote, thankyuvurrymuch