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Are you for tipping or anti- tipping syndrome? I grew up in a culture where tipping is not common especially among us-who are not that fortunate to have extras and not enshrined in the business protocols. People appreciate whoever they wish in a way they deem fit, but here in US, tipping is kind of enshrined almost in everything, restaurants,hotels,cabs,hair salons ,even Uber and so on. It's not just tipping,but people expect a certain percentage of what you have spent, even colleges are teaching students how to calculate tipping percentage. I have struggled to understand the point of it. Many people I have talked to actually get angry when I publicly say I don't tip. Sometimes, boxes on any receipt I am about to pay makes me feel like I have committed a crime to bring business to a business owner.

But some took it to themselves to explain to me that the reason I must tip,is because "those people who are tipped work low paying jobs--they earn non-living wages". I honestly do understand our struggle to make ends meet and as people..common people we must help each other to make live much better than well. The problem with tipping though is that, I too earn less than which which those who earn "low wage" earn. I earn less than 2000 dollars a month. This is unbelievable but it's a fact.

I once applied for a job in a bakery in North Portland, the managed proposed to pay me 9 dollars an hour working from 5am to 1pm without any insurance be it medical,dental or anything and I had no job security. Thank goodness,I had earlier worked at Amazon and they paid 12.50 dollars to associates and later Oregon State increased minimum wage to 11 dollars.Some employers in Portland actually pay 15 dollars an hour which is still not enough compared to the cost of living. Life is harder for everyone---atleast the common person be it whites or blacks, then why do some people think that arm-twisting our arms for a tip is fine? What should be done to make sure that everyone earns not a minimum wage but a living wage. Share with me logically.....I mean let this not go personal or emotional.

Humanlove 7 Feb 1
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I think the wages are very low for majority of folks. Wages need to be around 30$ per hour to come close to the standard of living I had in the early seventies. Everything costs a fortune now days. Rent is just unbelievable, autos are astronomical, and power bill, and phone expenses, and we haven't even gotten to food or medicine. It costs a fortune to live, and then add kids into the equation. I tip but I understand if you can't.

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It's a sad system, agreed. About the only way I deal with it is you don't eat out as often. Or go to cafes where you are served at a counter and just seat yourself at a table. At that kind of place, leave 50¢ per person, for the guy wiping tables. They don't provide as much service and they handle a lot of tables, so they make in volume. I don't leave anything at fast food, they are paid at least minimum wage

I tend to cook most of my own stuff (or sammich, or frozen, which is cheaper than eating out), I might go out once or twice a month if I'm buying. But unless service was exceptionally poor, I'm going to leave a decent tip as I've done that kind of work and I know how it is. Just gotta live within my means and figure out what I can do without in exchange for what I want to have.

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I absolutely hate tipping, but I do tip. It’s total bullshit. Why do particular businesses not have to pay their employees more than $2/hr and expect the customer to pick up their slack? Hey, capitalism at its finest.

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I always round up to the next whole number. Example is if the bill is $15.30, I simply give a $20 and tell the keep the change as a tip.

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for whatever reason it is customary for people in the food industry to make a token base pay that is below minimum wage (at least when I was doing it) and to make up the difference with tips. THat is just the way it is. I always tip , it may not be the suggested percentages but I do. If I made to little to tip I would not make it a habit to eat out and save my money

The reason is the National Restaurant Association. They lobbied for "sub-minimum wages," which were half of minimum wage at the time ($4.25/hr, making server pay $2.13/hr.), and they set it up so that sub-minimum wages were not tied to the federal minimum wage. So even now, when minimum wage is a paltry $7.25/hr., servers still make $2.13/hr. unless individual states step in. Most servers never actually see a check.

Tip well or stay home is the best advice I've heard on the topic.

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I am not sure about other tipped professions, but waitresses earn a different minimum wage. In Michigan right now I believe it is about 3.10 per hour, the regular minimum is 8.50. They pay income taxes based on the amount of food they serve. If you order food the waitstaff pays income tax based on how much you order. There are movements these days to end tipping because it is unfair and increases sexual harassment or whatever It makes me a little sad because it will just turn that into one more minimum wage restaurant job like the rest.

MsAl Level 8 Feb 1, 2018

Sad,how did we end up here?

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I tip between 20-25% when I go to a restaurant because they a significantly underpaid for a very hard job.

I tip my hairdresser because she goes out of her way to accommodate my weird schedule. She also does an amazing job.

You are lucky but I explained my views in details.

My hair is always cut perfectly but she charges 14 bucks so I round up to 20

Hi PhoebeCat,if I lived in the USA I would tip the waiters,but not in NZ.

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I have friends that have been servers their entire lives and know a lot about how it works so I always tip well even if the service was less than stellar,

I don't work on Thanksgiving- which I don't celebrate or Christmas but also do not wish to cook so I take my daughter and grand-kids to breakfast and daughter cooks a meal later.

I have always felt torn about this practice because I feel like mothers are missing shit with their children so I tip insanely high on any holiday that I eat out on.

If I go to Golden Corral, I tip 20 bucks. A few years ago my grandchildren peeked at the server as we left and were so happy with the servers reaction that they chip in if they have cash on them.

It feels good and assuages my guilt LOL

I have a friend that gets out a calculator and tips 15% to the penny no matter how the service was.

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It is a shame so many livelihoods depend on tips just to meet minimum wage. It would be nice to do away with this practice and pay the staff a living wage Yes the food would be more expensive but it is anyway by the time you pay a tip.

Yes, but right now being a server is really the only job you can get i retail/ resturaunt whwre you can make a decent living ar some places. If that goes away it will be a min wage job. Corporations don't pay "living wages" they pay the least they can get away with. For resturaunt and retail this is generally minimum wage.

@MsAl Unfortunately restaurants don't even pay minimum wage. My mom was forced to sign a waiver saying she made enough in tips to make minumum wage even if she didnt becauses if the servers don't the restaurants are required to make up the difference.

@misstuffy yes they make tips and pay taxes on them. They generally make significantly more than the other staff. This is a thing that I have heard could change. I was a waitress for 10 years and my mom for about 35 until she died. For me it is the only position in resturaunt retail that has the possibility of being an actual living wage job if you work hard. If this is changes it would be like the rest. It makes me quite sad, even though I'm nat a server anymore.
I have heard arguements about how it makes more sexual harrassment, and they put up with more because their money depends on it. This I understand and it does seem very demoralizing looking back. What other job do you have to kiss up for every dollar. Customers can judge you and decide weather or not to pay you right in front of you. Some hand it right to you and you have to be all greatful like a begger. I've been thinking about it lately because I keep seeing the Facebook nemes about ending it.

@MsAl Not all restaurant server jobs are equal, the higher end ones I can see being able to make decent enough tips for a decent livingbut there are a lot of small cafes where that is not the case and the servers scrape by.

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I believe that people should be paid a living wage. However, since restaurant workers are not, and I am comfortable financially, I am happy to tip. I do see how if I made minimum wage, I might not tip or if I did, it might seem unfair to me too.

In solidarity you stand.

In Europe the servers are paid a living wage, the same in Canada. America seems to think the minimum wage is just for entry level kids jobs and that has to change. If they want the minimum wage to be that then I say OK< tie it to the under 18 year olds and then the day they turn 18 pay them a living wage minimum.

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Waitpersons make, at best HALF of minimum wage Plus pay taxes on what the government ASSUMES they make on tips! Try buying groceries, shelter, a vehicle etc on that........

I hear a lot of this how do then government come up with what should be paid?

@0752532706 The lobbyists

@0752532based on food sales, very arbitrary!

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Iam for a no-tipping policy ONLY if servers are paid a living wage.

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I live where tipping is common, even expected, but I am really against tipping. I would rather people just get paid a good wage without having to rely on sporadic tips. Also being against tipping on the grounds that it was basically made in order to take the place of low and non-paid labor after slavery was abolished, it's kind of an interesting read to look up. It was started mainly with freed slaves after the civil war in the US and gained it's current unquestionably status in the great depression.

Thanks for reminding us.

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I live in a country where we do not tip.I tipped a waitress though a few months ago for her amazing service and beautiful smile. She was beside herself because she had been working in this restaurant for 6months and that was the first tip she had ever gotten.
Though while travelling to other countries I do remember to tip.

Sacha Level 7 Feb 1, 2018
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I do not know if it has changed today, but waiters and waitresses were exempt from the minimum wage laws when I used to be a waiter in the eighties.Waiters and waitresses got less than minimum wage in Florida and the tips were counted as wages. So I tip as well as I can, because I know what it is like to be on your feet carrying food and smile and to to nice to people that sometimes treat you like you are nothing.

That's true but when I got a job at Henry's Tavern, on Portland ,they were going to pay me 10.50 dollars

That is still true - they are paid an hourly wage of like $3/hour and absolutely depend on the whim of patrons to make enough to survive. There are lots of problems with this system.

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I do not tip,as in New Zealand the waiters are generally well paid.

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Tipping was instituted in order for employers to avoid paying wages when emancipation of our slave citizens occurred. There are good & bad elements of this system. There is no requirement to tip so there is work sans monetary compensation. Then too it is cash so it can go unreported & thusly un taxed for good or naught. I am a big tipper, 20% & above, as I know what the receiver is up against. I believe in paying it forward & that generousity is its own reward.

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If you can't afford to tip, you shouldn't be eating out. Buy food and make your own meal

Sherry...does tipping apply to restaurants only? I told you even uber, and many many others, accept me who works in warehouses and not tipped.

@0752532706 Good question. There are a few jobs that people are generally expected to tip for and some others where it is hoped for. I am not such a big tipper outside of food service and hair stylist. The few times I have taken a taxi I tipped.

When traveling, I expect to tip for everything and do because I know the tips are how their living is made.

I tip big at restaurants because I know they only make around 2 bucks an hour

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Based on the preview I thought you were talking about cows! 😉

What do you mean?

@0752532706 To tip or not to tip - Cow tipping! Apparently you did not grow up in a rural area. And yes cow tipping is mean. It's also terribly funny when you hear about it. But it is wrong!

@0752532706 [en.wikipedia.org] Ah now considered to be Urban Legend.... hmm? Or not.

@RavenCT thanks for clarification.

@RavenCT I grew up in rural areas and I used to do that but I didn't know that it's also called tipping.

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I give extra to those I think deserve it but not because of its a restaurant but because of what I feel and obviously my available balance.

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I frown on it in Oz, it is not part of our culture and we have minimum wages so imagine being on a low wage and then expected to tip someone. I also frown on people giving to beggars, we have a lot of community services and an excellent welfare system. Buskers are different, they are giving a performance. When friends are going to the USA, I explain to them that they pay for the food, the tip is for the wait staff and that such is the way things are done, because wait staff do not get paid like we do here.

Sad

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I tip, even the hairdresser and in many menial labor.

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