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The Proof: That God Exists

There is a hierarchy in Animalia, not only as quantified by the DNA in the evolution of the species, but in modern-day food chains and in total geographical dominance, that has all other species as being lower species than is ours.

And, more importantly, since We the People are Equal, we all can proudly proclaim: We are on top of the Universe, and there is nothing Superior to Us!

But there is. We have already defined that which is Superior to us as being God. And only God. There is no other. And, as we submit, that which is Superior to us can take our things away from us at Will, and can lay down the laws for us to follow, and can tell us what is right and what is wrong, and can punish us for doing wrong, and can punish us for doing nothing wrong (because the earlier wrong was later deemed by our Superior to be not-wrong).

That entity exists. that Entity is the Government. Government is our one and only God, and, as Government, indeed, exists, then God, indeed, exists.

Q.E.D.

GlyndonD 7 Jan 15
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Yeah, what Frank said.

Well said, Frank. But not only religion, but why do I have to live under your totalitarian government?

@GlyndonD Where do you live?

@ronnie40356, USA.

@GlyndonD I'll agree we're approaching totalitarian in USA, and lots of people in government right now would like that, especially if it were an oligarchy and/or theocracy. But not there yet.

@ronnie40356, we've got to wake up before it's too late. But agnostics sure aren't waking up, are they?

@GlyndonD I'm an atheist, and like pretty much everyone else including agnostics think that you're exagerating the situation. Evil people can take control of government, they have before and they'll keep trying to do it again. We're not there yet and I wouldn't equate that with god/gods anyway.

@ronnie40356, I don't think I'm exaggerating. Look how the flock defends their god. Religious fervor.. I can't tell the difference between them and evangelicals. They will defend their god to the bitter end, and attack the infidel to no end.

@GlyndonD You are exaggerating, and you're wrong. Thats my opinion. Its your opinion also that god is government and that's your opinion. You're welcome to it, as you've seen a lot of people have different opinions. Good luck with it.

@ronnie40356, no, I'm saying your government is your god, and religion. I don't want it to become mine.

@ronnie40356 , GlyndonD - maybe you guys should listen to some nostalgic Zappa? At least you aren't believers in imaginary friends, government is real, god is a figment of the imagination but fascism is on the march although not yet in control.

@Surfpirate "Don't go where the huskies go, and don't you eat that yellow snow"

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I remember the first month after they legalized weed in my state, too.

1of5 Level 8 Jan 15, 2020

Yeah. I remember when the government said weed was wrong, and then threw people in jail because of it. Now it's a not-wrong. Gods can do that, you know. Because your opinion on whether weed is right or wrong does not matter -- it's our God's opinion that matters. And He will hold you accountable.

@GlyndonD doubling down like a good old fashioned troll

I LIKE IT!!! KUDOS TO YOUR COMMITMENT!

Actually most gods don't change thier minds, let alone listen to thier followers. I voted to make weed legal in my state, so, uhm, what the fuck is your point?

@1of5, my point is that what you believe to be right or wrong doesn't matter, because you are one step below your God, whose opinion matters. Its opinion -- and only its opinion -- mattered when weed was illegal, and only its opinion mattered when it deemed weed legal. You have a God, you see, and you are a mere mortal, subject to its whims.

@GlyndonD and your own point is self contradictory - in getting what I want I denied the government what you claim it wanted all along and am therefore above it and it isn't a god. If it wanted what I wanted all along then it isn't above me and isn't a god.

What's truly funny about this is that the actual, only definitions of god that exist are those created by that gods followers. So you are making your own god then admonishing others for "following" it.

But anyways, I prefere circle jerks to be live action events so am done with this one.

@1of5, is it happy hour where you live?

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Word salad non-sense containing wild supposition and numerous logical fallacies.

In short, a whole lot of hot air.

I have to wonder how you managed to make it to adulthood without accidentally consuming something with a skull and crossbones on the label.

EDITED TO ADD: "'Government' is a body of people who themselves, notably, are ungoverned..."

The government has become its own entity. It is now independent of any one person or any group of people. It has attained godly status and godly power. Bow to your Superior.

@GlyndonD - Cats bow to no one!!! The Egyptians worshipped us as GODS and we have never forgotten this!

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Apparently, if you are looking to get points - post something really fucking stupid.

It is the internet, after all.

Congrats on your points (you owe me nothing).

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Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player,
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage,
And then is heard no more. It is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.

--Macbeth

William Shakespeare

Even in the midst of the direst of posts, come the greatest of quotes, which makes me glad I bothered, when I nearly did not.

Out of the mouths of babes...

@GlyndonD No babes here.

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The “government “? Yours or mine? I’m British so a different god then! Governments are not gods, however they are a necessary evil, otherwise we’d have anarchy. Like God, laws, and governments are manmade...unfortunately the first of the three is the most harmful, and the most controlling.

It is not necessary to enable your government to initiate force against an individual or group. To give it this power -- as in the 16th Amendment-- is to give it the power of a god. And for it to put its morals ahead of yours is also to make it a god.

Pray to your god -- or else...

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How very Orwellian. Too bad you don't seem to know much about either evolution or the law.

The supposed "hierarchy" of animal forms is an antiquated concept. All animals share common ancestors, none "higher" than another. To pick an example, chimpanzees and hominids diverged several million years ago from a common ancestor. Both species have been evolving for the exact same length of time.

And if we want to talk about which species prey more efficiently on the others, it could be argued that viruses are at the top of the food chain. They prey very effectively on humans and on all other animals, even modifying our behavior to assist their own replication. When we fight them, they evolve resistance with frightening speed.

Your bio says you're a libertarian and an American, in which case you know, or should know, that the power of our government derives from law, not from arbitrary authority. We, through our elected representatives, tell the government what's right and wrong, not the other way around. WE make the law. We The People are the law.

All that said, I hope your post is just a harmless troll. Because you really should know all these things.

Just to add to your thought. The Linnean hierarchy system led to the taxonomy system we presently use. The author is correct in the premise that Linneaus was operating under. You are correct that that premise is obsolete.

The hierarchical system is based on complex of the anatomy and physiology of organisms. It makes no value assessment of one organism being greater or lesser than any other. All organisms are considered equal, just anatomically and physiologically different. Some more complex in the evolutionary complexity, some less complex. Not better.

I would not be surprised that a Libertarian might actually beleive in the superiority of one organism or another. Their philosophy is flawed in and of itself.

@t1nick Well... I'm a libertarian (small "l" ) in that I believe in the freedom of all to choose for ourselves, and also our responsibility to take the consequences of those choices. Although not a Libertarian in the sense of wishing to do away with all functions of government, which, in our complex modern world, I consider just crazy talk.

Are you getting all defensive about being a homo erectus, or something?

There is no human or group that controls the government. It has become its own entity. And the most accurate label to put on that entity is "God", because humanity's interplay with that entity resembles a God/servant relationship like no other. Government is our God. Don't like that? Then remove its godly powers.

@t1nick, the non-religious, objective interpretation of evolution is survival of the fittest. Extinct species failed their prime reason for existence. We are, therefore, superior to those extinct species that came before us.

No, our government tells us what's right and wrong. It is independent of any human, or group of humans. Can you find one human that agrees with all the laws and programs and actions of the government? Nope. And that's because it has evolved into its own entity, and it has dominion over us. It is our God.

@t1nick, the ideology that believes that humans are not superior to the common house fly is one that will form a government that will seat all those humans just as if they were house flies. I'm sure we'll get there after our economy crashes after our currency is destroyed, and a totalitarian government rises from the ashes.

@t1nick, @Paul4747, I'm not an anarchist, but I don't believe government should be given any more rights than the individual. That means our government should not be able to initiate force. That would be a libertarian government.

@GlyndonD

The idea of survival of the fittest is so misunderstood. Fittest does no necessarily mean predatory at all. It simply means that an organism must find the best strategy for insuring its survival ad finitum in the environment as it exists or as its evolving.

The Robber Barons of the early part of the Twentieth Century tried to use their predatory practices as justified as survival of the fittest. They had no comprehension of what the were talking about. They called it Social Darwinism, but they were so far off base as to be ludicrous.

Please quit using evolutionary biological terminology and concepts when you appear not to understand the principle. It misleads and leads to erroneous conclusions. Religious value judgements based on the the principles of evolution you have alluded to are just plain wrong. The only value judgement that evolution makes is the ultimate fitness of an organism for its environment.

@GlyndonD

I do not beleive in Libertarianism as a viable concept.

@t1nick, I appreciate your comments, but not nearly as much as you do.

@t1nick, stop believing, and start reasoning.

@GlyndonD

????? What is your PhD in? You seem to be tipping at windmills. I teach reason and logic as part of my Science curricula. I also teach reasoning. I'm not sure where you are coming from? Libertarianism is a flawed philosophy and could never work.

@t1nick, Libertarianism is not a philosophy; it is a school of political thought.

I'm sure your skills at indoctrination are second to none.

@GlyndonD I'm not sure about you, but my species is h. sapiens. And unless the government can maketh it to rain upon the just and the unjust alike- in other words, unless that weather control project really did get off the ground- I don't know of any "godlike" powers the government possesses. You may feel the government wields dictatorial power, in which case, vote early and often for the candidates of your choice. That's your power. But if government were as all-powerful as you describe, then there would be no dissent, and you would have been silenced long ago. Your very existence as a protesting voice is proof that your argument is flawed.

"Can you find one human that agrees with all the laws and programs and actions of the government?" This is a straw man. It hasn't been true of any government above the town hall level, in world history.

@Paul4747, your god is overpowering. It takes what it wants, and I have no rights to disagree. It proclaims its morality as greater than mine, and believes it can initiate violence against me. Others of the flock support it's superiority over me, and everyone else.

Christianity took centuries to enter the Dark Ages, and our God is growing more powerful every day. It will soon have total control, and begin purging heretics so that all will be safe from heresy. We will be absorbed, and there will soon be no escape.

@GlyndonD sure, fine, whatever

Your illogic is your sword and shield. Bye now

@Paul4747, you will be spared. Now, say your prayers, and go to sleep -- much evangelizing for you to do tomorrow.

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I think that you are trying to be facetious. If you did, you failed.

Nope -- deadly serious. But this time, after we die, this God won't send us to heaven. It is trying to create heaven on Earth. But the only entity experiencing this heaven will be the government. That's my problem, and soon it will be everyone's problem.

@GlyndonD You sound like an Ayn Rand believer. I read everything she wrote and outgrew her some 50 years ago.

@wordywalt, but she died 40 years ago.

@GlyndonD Your point?

@wordywalt, you read stuff you've outgrown?

@GlyndonD In the 1960sI did read almost everything she had written. I found her interesting until I figured out what she was really trying to say and why she was saying it. .

@wordywalt, thank you for correcting your statement. Any thing else you want to correct?

@GlyndonD anybody ever mention you are Extremely passive-aggressive?

@AnneWimsey, don't passive-aggressive the messenger.

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I'd like to see you make this comment while running from a T-Rex. At an earlier time in life, dinosaurs would've been god and we would be food.

Yep. T-Rex thinks it's a god, and you better be fearful of it.

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Ohferpetessake.....

If "Pete" is your nickname for our government-god, then I agree with you whole-heartedly that everything the government wants us to do is for Pete's sake.

@GlyndonD more of a nicer WTF, actually.....

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If we are so superior, why is it that some of us have difficulty basic with grammar ?

Perhaps some went to a "talkin' " school?

A lot of that can be attributed to dyslexia.

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WTF? Why are you posting this rubbish?????

So that you would read it.

@GlyndonD Lesson learned, I won’t make that mistake again.

@Redheadedgammy, your other mistake was saying you didn't believe in a god. So, stop worshipping the government, and please help me stop them from destroying life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness of the flock.

@GlyndonD fuck your god! Now you’re blocked !

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A proclamation does not constitute a proof.
It is very arrogant to end your proclamation with Q.E.D.

Disprove it, then.

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Looks like a Weak Analogy
(also known as: bad analogy, false analogy, faulty analogy, questionable analogy, argument from spurious similarity, false metaphor)

Description: When an analogy is used to prove or disprove an argument, but the analogy is too dissimilar to be effective, that is, it is unlike the argument more than it is like the argument.
Logical Form:
X is like Y.
Y has property P.
Therefore, X has property P.

and a fallacy of definition
Fallacies of definition are the various ways in which definitions can fail to explain terms. The phrase is used to suggest an analogy with an informal fallacy. Definitions may fail to have merit, because they: are overly broad, use obscure or ambiguous language, or contain circular reasoning; those are called fallacies of definition.

But not if the government deems it so.

@GlyndonD The Gov's opinion on the Op won't change the nature of the OP

@Davesnothere OP?

@GlyndonD original post = OP

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First your comprehension of Evolution is terribly, terribly flawed. Second, I hope you are trying to funny? At any rate this is far from a QED no matter how you look at it. Lol

Our government becoming our God is not a laughing matter. It leads to extermination of those not god-like.

@GlyndonD Too many specious conjectures to be anywhere close to true.

@t1nick, well, I must admit that trying to form a proof around faith is difficult, but it can be done. But your religion is grounded in reality, so I was successful.

@GlyndonD

???? Successful???? I don't have a religion. I have facts and the scientific process, but not religion.

@t1nick, you have blind Faith in the government as your god. That's religion.

@GlyndonD

Nick shrugs and shakes his head in disbelief and exasperation.

@t1nick, you may disbelieve me, but not your government-god.

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I sincerely hope this was a Devil's Advocate argument. If not, you lose.

We all lose.

@GlyndonD We do whenever a justification is made for the existence of a God.

@rainmanjr, or when we create an artificial god and then let it rule over us.

@GlyndonD All Gods are artificial.

@rainmanjr, exactly. And the latest manufactured god is in the form of our modern government.

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Why the effing f..k are you on this site?

Because I like you.

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The first paragraph is quite simply, demonstrably, wrong. It's projection of the worst sort. So as in Matthew 7:24-27, since the foundation of your argument is garbage, everything built on top of it is garbage. Q.E.D.

Pure genius. You should run for office!

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Your argument is filled with specious assumptions.

  1. Evolution is not a ladder. Species adapt to fit their environment (see [evolution.berkeley.edu].
  2. Define equality. If you are referring to the Declaration of Independence, the implication would seem to be equal in intrinsic worth. However slavery was widespread so that was just propagandistic abstraction. You seem to be assuming some universally accepted measure by which equality is defined. Equal how, weight, intelligence, amount of hair, intrinsic worth, under the law?
  3. Define "superior to us". I think you mean stronger. And, as Mao said "Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun". Governments can take things because a) police and b) soldiers. Are you suggesting that might makes right? Very old testament.
  4. See the "Criticisms and Objections" listed in Wikipedia to the ontological argument
    [en.m.wikipedia.org]
  5. Many anarchists would argue that government need not exist. Whether it does or not, you seem to assume that it has to.

And I see more but I don't imagine all the typing will make any difference and I am bored with it.

Species survive. That's what they do. Previous species died out. They failed. In the case of homo, they're gone because they had smaller brains.

Equal under the law (note CAPS)

Superior: having higher status, and thus receive special treatment under the law

Government has to exist for a cvilized society.

You're right -- this is boring.

@GlyndonD Cyanobacteria are the oldest living species (https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/10-oldest-animals-on-earth.html) and therefore, using survival as a measure, are the most successful.

Equal under the law is incredibly flawed in practice. The impoverished often have no recourse to legal mechanisms. The law in our current system is only"equal" if you can afford it (remember 'Animal Farm' - some animals are more equal than others).

Status is a social construct and not an objectively verifiable and measurable property. It is therefore inherently subjective and not an appropriate measure. Besides, basing superiority on status is circular.

Historically there have been instances of civilized society without rigidly defined government. See [en.m.wikipedia.org]

@towkneed, oh, the efforts that some go to to defend their irrational beliefs...

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Don’t quit your day job. Stand up comedy obviously isn’t your thing.

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Please take your meds. They really do help. Otherwise, it's back to the padded room and straight-jacket.

Wise words from the experienced?

@GlyndonD Oh, you're an Ayn Rand cultist. That explains it. Meds won't help. You need a lobotomy.

And yes, I do have experience with my ex who would stop her meds and then go catatonic.

@racocn8, obviously, I'm not catatonic, so you have mis-diagnosed me, and your prescription is reckless.

@GlyndonD how do you know you are not almost catatonic! Pretty damn incoherent..

@AnneWimsey, have you given thought to the idea that it is you who is catatonic?

@GlyndonD buwahahahahaaaaa, wow are you a fool

@AnneWimsey, it is the fool who is duped by the charlatan. Your charlatan is the government. And you say you don't believe in gods or that you are not a member of a cult. Poppycock!

@GlyndonD you ASSume a lot, sweetie.

@AnneWimsey, I've made an ass out of you?

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We create our own government. Government doesn't create us.
We don't create our own physics. Physics creates us.
If there is a proper candidate for the abstraction we call God,
it’s the entirety of reality and its natural laws.
Not something we, ourselves made.

skado Level 9 Jan 15, 2020

See above.

Well said.

@Storm1752, thanks.

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What you are proposing is basically the same as the divine right of kings. A top-down philosophy that is useful in hierarchies like the military where unquestioning loyalty is paramount. But dangerous when applied to government.
Theoretically, a divine being exists outside of human exitance. Man is made in God's image not the other way around. And so your premice is blown out of the water by the idea of "Government for the people and by the people"

The government has morphed into an independent entity, not controlled by any individual, or any group of individuals. And it has given itself rights above the individual. It has proclaimed itself as God, and we have submitted to its authority as our God.

@GlyndonD I disagree, America is a great nation, the land of opportunity where anyone can grow up to be rich enough to buy a senator.

@273kelvin, and why would you want to buy a senator? Because he can use the power of the government-god to deliver riches to you.

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WTF !!!!!!!!!???????😆😅😂🤣😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 ARE YOU JOKING ????????????????????????

Why did the atheist cross the road?

Because he believes in government as his god.

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Man created governments, and man can amend them, or overthrow them, when necessary. That is not at all like a god.

and man created god.

@jlynn37 ....in order to dominate the minds of his fellow men!

@jlynn37 The main difference is that governments are real. Gods are just immaginary.

After our economy crashes when our god destroys our currency, we will never again be able to overthrow this totalitarian god.

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The only thing you have Q.E.D.'d here is that you are the worst type of libertarian, one who thinks that because you believe in demonizing the goverment you are 100% right in all you say. Sorry dude, not many people in America agree with your distorted political view, more akin to that trump ass kisser Rand Paul and his fanatic daddy.

I'm not demonizing the government. I'm calling it our chosen and created God.

@GlyndonD Who chose it? You? Please.

@Mofo1953, the population, as codified in the 16th Amendment.

@GlyndonD the 16th amendment has nothing to do with gods or religion, it talks about taxes and amendments are not chosen, don't waste my time with your libertarian nonsense.

@Mofo1953, the 16th Amendment gave the government the right to take your money whether you like it or not. No human or other group has been given this right to inflict violence and to take from anyone else without their consent. That is a right that only a god can inflict.

I apologize for any inconvenience I might have caused.

@GlyndonD they are called taxes, all countries have them, the roads you use, tge army that protects you, the police that enforces the law, etcetera are paid by them, don't wantbto pay, move to the moon? But to get there youbwould have to use government onfrastructure paid by the taxesvwe all pay, sorry dude, all nonsense.

@Mofo1953, and you forgot to mention the war machine that we use to kill people in other countries that our God doesn't like. Funny how the government was able to operate before the 16th Amendment. And funny how the country was able to accomplish so much without a government of godly proportions.

@GlyndonD stop with your idiotic nonsense already, paranoid much? Still with the god crap! Just stop with the lunacy. Taxes wrere paid before the 16th, learn history or at least google to find out.

@Mofo1953, not an income tax. Not at the point of a gun.

@GlyndonD point of a gun? Libertarian paranoia makes you make things up????

@Mofo1953, if the taxman shows up at your door, and demands the money you owe them, You say, "I ain't gonna pay it."
"If you ain't gonna pay it", said the taxman, "I'm gonna go get the sheriff, and he's gonna put you in jail."
"I'm not going with you."
"Then he'll have to shoot you", said the taxman.
"I'll shoot back."
"Then we will kill you", said the Government.

That's what I made up.

@GlyndonD you break the law you go to jail, that is news for you? Crazy for cocoa puffs???

@Mofo1953, exactly! Government has been given rights above that of any individual or group -- to take your money via an income tax. That has been made law. Break that law, and you risk death.

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