As an Aussie living in a mainly secular country I'm amazed and disheartened by the stories from Americans who have to hide their secularism and who are discriminated against because of it. It's difficult to accept a first world country with third world beliefs. To all you poor buggers, hang in there and keep fighting for your independence, we feel for you.
I guess being a nation founded by criminals has it's good points. The US has always had a "holier than thou" attitude, very tribal. Truth is, as recent politics have shown, religion is really just a catch-all for small minded people. I mean, really, who could be farther from religion than Trump?
What I have learned while on this site is, just how failed and broken the US education system must be. Sometimes seeing levels of ignorance expressed, (Not by members generally but in the postings.) that it should be a shame for any government in the 21st century to admit to allowing. Everyone should have the right to an education which at least provides a basic understanding of the world within which they live.
Sadly you have to wonder where the next generation of educators are to come from, when you produce an uneducated generation this time, it becomes a task of trying to lift yourself by your own shoe laces. And doubly sadly, I suspect that the failing is spreading to other countries like the UK too.
I am a Canadian who lived in Texas for 8 years in the 2000s. I thought that the Bush years were pretty bad. I had hope for the US when Obama was elected and served two terms. I was shocked Trump won the last election. I thought secular liberal ideals would blossom as younger generations became adults. I was wrong. However, it is important to note that there are liberal minded secularists in pockets of the US. Trump as played to the religious and ethnic divides every chance he gets to stir up hatred for the sake of power. I also think he does it for the sake of pure drama as if he is staring on a reality TV show. The show would be a comedy if it was not reality. Trump's character would make a great cartoon villain and he provides plenty of humorous content for the late night talk shows.
I get less flack as an agnostic than I did as a Pagan. It was standard to be picketed by xtians, and one year in particular, got death threats before an event and had to hire off duty cops for security. I don’t know any Xtian who walks through angry picketers and protestors to attend church. Yet they scream OPPRESSION the loudest. It’s disgusting.
Of course, I’m in the South, where you can’t throw a rock without hitting a church.
Just like any rights movement, nothing changes until people stop being intimidated by those who think that their best shot at keeping the status quo is to intimidate other people. I have a family like that, they threatened to ignore my mother when she got a little to open about the pedophile father I had, but after she died, I basically told them to fuck off, and publish pubically a letter she had written to me about it on the worldwide web, which put them in a state that they likely still have not recovered from.
My way of dealing with people who play games like that is, if they want to be religio-nazis, pedophile worshippers, racist hillbillies, then they can do it on their own time and leave me out of it all together, and I make no secret anywhere, anytime, that I am an Agnostic, and any person that tries to bring the battle to me gets it back twice as hard. Have I paid a price for my refusal to allow people like that in my life? Sure . . . . but I also have the type of inner peace with myself knowing that what I have done is exactly what needs to be done.
When no one stands up to bullies, they rage through the schoolyard with impunity.
That is exactly what often happens here in the good old US of A. Agnostics and Atheists ARE gaining ground though, and that may be one of the reasons why the religio-nazis are so keen on trying to suppress it, they know their time is waning.
No change will occur without a few dragonslayers stepping forward and unsheathing their sword in the face of these monsters. [sites.google.com]
All the ignorant superstition has been exacerbated with the election of Don John the Con Trump as President. In three short years, our mentally I’ll President has erased all the progress and hard earned gains in science, civil rights, women’s rights, and single handedly transported our nation from the 1st quarter of the 21st century to the middle of the 20th century. I have always been bothered by the smug exceptionalism of my countrymen, but now I’m downright ashamed to be American. Our citizens have lost the ability to distinguish truth from lies or worse, simply don’t care. #Proudagnostic.
Growing up in a small farming community in central Minnesota I used to joke we had two races....Catholics and Lutherans. There was a fair amount of animosity between the 2. Catholic parents got especially concerned if their kid was dating a Lutheran. Because....they’re just so different
I understand you, but don't worry. America is fast becoming a third world country and we have in office the right people for that job. I just read that Trump has raised another 45 million in the last quarter for his re-election campaign. Put the quarters together and you have a tremendous amount of money raised by this man who "only wants to help us." He really wants to help us bad, and so do the powers behind him. We are not in good hands and this is not Allstate.
It is strange that the country that talks itself up to be all about religion freedom would be so repressive. Although, if you look at the history of the country, it makes some sense. The pilgrims who fled England because they were repressed for religious reasons were quite fanatical. Bizarrely so. They passed that down to many members of churches. So there is a built in complex of being persecuted while being very inflexible themselves.
Unfortunately our current prime moron is a member of a cult and has drunk too deeply of the cool aid the religious bigotry bill is just one example. Completely corrupt. So while at the moment we are allowed to express our stance if scotty from marketing gets to stay in much longer then we won't be allowed to as it will upset the poor little cultites.
I think you may wish to change how you perceive America. There's nothing ... NOT ONE THING ... "first world" about America. In fact, globally speaking, the USA is running between 17 and 24 in terms of global competing with actual "first world" countries.