I expected some dumb responses from celebrities and boy, they don’t disappoint. To start off with, Pedro Pascal posted a tweet saying Anthony Huber and Jacob Rosenbaum were murdered, Rest In Peace. Those two nimrods were not murdered; they were killed in self-defense. Their pictures were below the tweet. Did he even watch the videos of the incident? Not to be outdone, Mark Ruffalo moronically tweeted about black lives and to mourn the loss of Anthony and JoJo. Really? What does the killings of Huber and Rosenbaum have to do with black lives? Those two pinheads were white. Huber was a wife-beater and Rosenbaum anally raped a kid. Fuck them, glad they are dead.
Lastly, Rage Against the Machine, who should be rebranded as Rage on Behalf of the Machine, claimed without evidence that Huber and Rosenbaum were protesting on behalf of black lives. Any evidence for that? Also, the shit for brains from rage claims that Kyle used his whiteness to kill those fighting against oppression. Again, what does a white kid shooting three white men have to do with race? Also, how was Rittenhouse oppressing anyone? Tom Morello, guitarist for the irrelevant jackasses, put the icing on the shit take by claiming that the courts upheld white supremacy. For a band that claims that they are the counterculture, they sure do suck the cock of the establishment by regurgitating the same bullshit and lies.
To close, seems like critical thinking has went out the window. Instead of looking at the evidence, why not just parrot regressive left talking points? Seems like celebrities, especially progressive celebrities, are really fucking stupid. All that money and a bully pulpit but no almonds to activate. Twitter brings out the dumbest in all of them.
I concur with your assessment on the matter. Evidence would indicate that Anthony Huber was probably a mentally disturbed individual who had quite a criminal record, mostly disorderly conduct and was a repeat domestic abuser. The following is from a source called The Heavy, which is a known leftwing source, and they verified Huber's criminal past.-
Joseph Rosenbaum was even worse an individual. Evidence would indicate Rosenbaum led an extremely troubled life early on and served prison time for child molestation and assault. His behavior on the night he was shot dead in the street was radical and aggressive, including get this one... racial slurs? Bwahaha, how's that for being there among a racial protest claiming to help out blacks, and he's there using racial slurs, un-fucking-real. Rosenbaum was also clearly the more aggressive individual there, more so than Huber even. Here's The Heavy's take on Rosenbaum.-
Gaige Grosskreutz was certainly no angel either, who admitted he approached Rittenhouse with a loaded gun, and don't think I need to mention here how incredibly stupid it is to point a gun at someone and think there won't be any sort of consequences to follow. Grosskreutz had a prior gun offense at that, and by law should not have even had the gun he pointed at Rittenhouse, but then again that's not the first time such laws have been broken, because criminals care not about your damn laws. Grosskreutz was a member of a protest group called The People's Revolution, which said group has a turbulent albeit violent-prone past history, to say the least. How's that for "peaceful" intentions and being there to support blacks, eh? Nothing peaceful in any of that.-
What you stated above is consistent with the actual facts, and while I personally would not label Rittenhouse a hero of the sorts, his self-defense was warranted given the aggressive circumstances he was up against, and Rittenhouse serves as an example as to why it's not a bad idea to arm oneself against maniacal and aggressive folks, as there is no shortage of such people out there nowadays. Hell, I have some firsthand experience with similar protesting tactics. Back in June 2020 shortly after the George Floyd incident, there was a racial protest that marched down my street, and I could attest to the fact that the protesters in that march were anything but peaceful. Shouting all sorts of unwarranted obscenities at passersby, picking a fight with my one neighbor who had the audacity to fly an American Flag, with the protesters afterwards making threats of violence at him which in turn prompted a call to the local police. You see, protesters (dare I call them that) like that are why people like me own guns, it's not some fascination with violence as some of those on the left would have you believe, it's an action grounded in reality knowing full well how many violent thugs there are out there these days, an action on my part out of genuine concern for my safety.
You can point out all the facts on the matter above that you like, but the emotionally sensitive and unstable among us will vehemently refuse to acknowledge any evidence or facts that would contradict the narrative they wish to believe in, and such individuals cannot be reasoned with. That said, do know that you are not alone on that much, some of us still know how to think for ourselves and just accept reality for what it is instead of how we would wish things to be. Curious times we live in, eh mate?
I stopped reading your post after the first paragraph. That was enough, I did read all the comments and your replies. How horrible it must be to be you. You and your kind have coated the bottom of the barrel with a putrid scum that stinks all the way to Miralago,. Shut up and listen till you learn how to talk.
Before even reading the comments, I can tell this is not going to go well... The people on this site trend strongly politically left, so probably agree with the people you are badmouthing. <shrug> Well, on to the entertaining comments.
At a basic level, I agree the verdict was the correct one, but this is simply a grenade lobbed into the problem...
It's very sad this should even have to be discussed. In my opinion Rittenhouse should have been given a long prison term if only to discourage others from doing the same.
The love affair with guns and the paranoia it causes is crazy and looking from outside of the USA I have to shake my head in disbelief.
I grew up with "Western" films where the gun was law but even as a kid I realised that it was make belief. A large proportion of the US population appear to think it was real and the world is like that.
Minnesota is probably one of the safer states but look at the comparison with Scotland which has an almost identical population
Firearm deaths in 2017 Minnesota ---- 465
Scotland------41 (includes non fatal wounding )
From what I see, your response to every opposing viewpoint seems to be insulting the individual, not debating their point. Nevertheless;
"What does the killing of Huber and Rosenbaum have to do with black lives..." Perhaps the fact that they were there marching in support of BLM, and Rittenhouse specifically turned up to "protect" people (who never asked him for his protection, but pass that by) from what he assumed were violent rioters who belonged to BLM? Perhaps that the entire incident was during a Black Lives Matter protest?
Carrying a rifle out in the woods makes perfect sense, because mostly people are hunting when they do that. Who was Kyle Rittenhouse and his friends hunting on the streets of Kenosha? Carrying a rifle with the capacity to penetrate through your target and kill anyone who happens to get in the way, in an urban setting, is the height of recklessness. They were not there with the intent of "protecting" anybody; the message was intimidation. Count up how many protesters were openly carrying firearms. That was the message; "We have guns and you don't."
Self-defense is one thing when you're going about your ordinary business. It's another when you have gone out of your way to seek a dangerous situation. If I have to defend myself with my concealed handgun because I went for a walk at midnight down every dark alley I could find, until someone tried to mug me, that would not be self-defense; that would be "looking for trouble". That's exactly what Kyle Rittenhouse did. He was wrong from the word go. He is not law enforcement nor private security. He had no business taking a rifle to a different state, specifically planning to confront protesters. Nothing, not even his 2nd Amendment rights, will make me believe otherwise. Those rights also carry a corresponding responsibility. He utterly failed to conduct himself responsibly. These were not justified shootings because he had no justification to be in that situation with that rifle to begin with.
Okay, let the name-calling commence.
Note to everybody who has been reacting or commenting in response to my comments here, I blocked this nimrod Heavykevy, so I can't read your reactions or comments. If you want to share with me about it, PM me, since I can't read anything from this thread or the post without unblocking him. Tom
I'm not exactly certain what the point is here, but there's a fact that plays into "self defense" murder that too many people overlook, don't care about, or simply don't care to be aware of.
Rittenhouse? I have mixed feelings on one, and really questionable thoughts on two. That aside, it is what it is.
Then let's get real.
According to the FBI, and other "trusted" stat tanks, let's examine:
*Between 2008 and 2012, 42,419 people were killed by other people in the US using guns. Of those, just 1,108 were killed in self-defense.
Moving forward in time, the stats go seriously down, for people actually killed by those protecting their own selves, those they love, and their property.
In 2020, there were 303 citizens killed by police that were justified. There were 405 justified homicides by private citizens.
Without droning on, Americans have a penchant for killing. Sad but true.
It is what it is. Rittenhouse? He was looking to kill. And he did. He's not the only one, he's one that won't face accountable. Welcome to American policing and "justice.".
I find it revolting. Others think it's the shit America's made of. #shrugs
(Americans don't need guns for personal protection. They have a love affair with gun violence. It is what it is. If you're that afraid of your neighbor, your fellow humans, it isn't a gun you need, it's mental health care.)
On a site supposedly full of skeptics and critical thinkers, it amazes me how many people here are so opinionated on a case where they don't even know the facts. There are at least 6 videos from that night that show this is beyond a doubt self defense. Most of these people are the type that claim to be progressives but support corporate democrats over actual progressives, these people tout their party line even if they are being lead into a fire. When it comes to facts and evidence, they only care if it supports their world view.
I wonder did the judge say to the state proscecutor, 'my mind is made up! Do not confuse me with the evidence.'
Nobody would deny that anyone has a right to defend himself or herself when there is an imminent threat to his or her life.
Who requested Kyle Rittenhouse and others who were armed with assault rifles to defend their business properties? Where is the evidence to support such a claim?
The fact that local police officers gave the armed men bottles of water to drink would seem to indicate that they condoned what took happened while they took a back seat. Correct me if I got it wrong but there seems to have been a lack of action on the part of law enforement officers at the scene, which, may be viewed as gross negligence and dereliction of duty on their part.
Your statement makes perfect sense but only in the US of A because in any other First World Country he would have been arrested for just owning an AR-15, let alone wandering through a civilian protest with an automatic weapon.
Even in the USA he would have been arrested or more probably shot while resisting arrest by the police IF he were anything but a privileged white manchild. That's possibly the tie in with BLM, that and the protest where he shoot 3 people, killing two and severely wounding the third, was in fact a protest about racial injustice aka BLM.
If Kyle Rittenhouse had decided to stay home and play Nintendo games that day, those people would be alive. Whether they deserved to be murdered (yes, MURDERED) or injured is a moot point. They were executed without a trial, so we will never know. The kid had no business being there, and had no business being there with a rifle. He went there with the intent to kill someone and accomplished his mission.
Those two nimrods were not murdered; they were killed in self-defense.
On this point I disagree with you, not that it was self-defense but that others are "nimrods" as you put it for seeing it as murder.
When you willingly go into a hot situation and kill someone, the line between murder and self-defense gets blurred. Similar to how the line between consensual sex and rape can get blurred when you go into a drunk situation.
Also, just because 12 people did not find "beyond a reasonable doubt" that it was not murder DOES NOT MEAN that it was not murder nor that there is reasonable doubt for millions of others.... just that there is a reasonable doubt that there is for those 12 people. For many people, regardless of the juries opinion, there was never any doubt that it was self-defense OR never any doubt that it was murder.
Hence, it's not "nimroddy" to have no doubts and see this as murder even if the 12 people had some doubts and did not see it that way.
Those two nimrods were not murdered; they were killed in self-defense. [...] Also, the shit for brains from rage claims that Kyle used his whiteness to kill those fighting against oppression
On this point I agree with you.
There is nothing racial about this incident. Rittenhouse explicitly said he supports BLM and was there not as counter protest but from a (misguided though it was) sense of being a protector.
On the plus side, this lets us know up front who sees race in EVERYTHING such that we can dismiss their opinion in the future as being wholly biased.
To close, seems like critical thinking has went out the window.
HA! As much as we debate the existence of gods on this site, so too do we debate the existence of critical reasoning. Many people claim that it exixts and yet, evidence seems to point to the contrary!!!
Most everyone with a microphone makes jackass, useless statements. Just listen to any "news" program, post game interview ......
Where I stand, and how I've talked to my son, same age as Rittenhouse. ( and a fan) is that he is just a kid who made a big mistake. And YOU are not going to entangle yourself in this kind of shit.
He does not disagree with that.
Therefore, my next point, is that the GOP and those that want to elevate him to Hero Status, are in the wrong as well with their reactions.
Kyle Rittenhouse has a lot of years ahead of him to sort this out, deal with it and live with it. The emotional reactors on both sides of this debate should shut off their microphones and step back.
Kyle Rittenhouse caused the deaths of two other human beings. Had he not chosen to attend that protest with a gun it's likely both would still be alive. The fact he was found not guilty of murder doesn't change the fact he had no reason to be at that car dealership armed.
You may be a non-believer, but like many on this site, that's all we have in common. It;s clear that you have bought into all the redneck, conservative politics of Mississippi, so I am glad you are where you belong, instead of somewhere civilized or progressive, like the Northeast or the Pacific Northwest. I would rather you live among your kind.