@jorj Hillary was alleged to be a criminal. They investigated and investigated and investigated. Found nothing. There was something about some emails? Nothing criminal about it. But no one investigates the guy in the White House using the unencrypted cell phone? Gives secrets to Russians inside the Oval Office but it's OK, because a president can do that.

The Right has been after Hillary for 25 years but nothing has been proven. She must be Lex Luthor level if she is a criminal.

Meanwhile Trump pays $25 million to settle a fraud lawsuit. No admission of guilt, but everyone pays $25 million when they're not guilty of something. It's on-and-on with Trump. Almost everything Trump said about Hillary during the campaign has proven to be true of himself.

@jorj You're wrong about Hillary. There was NO proof. She was investigated by those who know the law. Not me. Not you. They declined to arrest her. They didn't indict her. They didn't try her. They didn't convict her. You're one who believes the FOX"News" version of the truth. Not the actual truth. You won't change your mind.

@jorj Presidents can declassify things. Trump shot his mouth off to the Russians about something that wasn't declassified until he shot his mouth off. No matter how stupid it was, the fact that it was a president who shot his mouth off, made it legal.

The "facts" that you point out about Hillary are the "facts" that FOX"News" has been putting out there. That those "facts" are not facts damaged her chances of getting elected. Lies and repetition of lies. It didn't matter if they were lies or not. Enough people believed them and repeated them. To the point that people who don't know fact from fiction will argue and swear those lies are the truth.

@jorj There was NO crime. NO charges. NO indictment. NO trial. What you have are ACCUSATIONS. NO proof. Whether or not you sit in front of FOX"News" or not, you're parroting their babble. You believe their lies. How many Benghazi hearings were there? Any proof of wrong doing? Yet all you heard over and over was Benghazi, Benghazi, Benghazi, Hillary, Hillary, Hillary. No proof of wrong-doing.

@jorj Comparing Hillary to a mob boss? Really? She must be a Master Criminal. The same frail grandmotherly type that Trump said was too ill to be president. Hillary is accused of something. She MUST be guilty. You DO KNOW, that in America, a person is presumed innocent until proven guilty? Even Hillary Clinton.

They need to talk to you. You have all the proof of Hillary's crimes. You KNOW Hillary is guilty. How do you know? Someone said so. Who was it who told you that? shrug You JUST KNOW. No proof. No evidence. You JUST KNOW Hillary is guilty of SOMETHING.

@jorj The Russia deal is not a distraction. We have to wait. It's only been a few months. The Benghazi investigations went on for around 4 years. There have been actually guilty pleas with the Russia investigation. Indictments. Charges. NOT the same thing. Once again, you're parroting the FOX"News" NRA/Republican Party version.

What you have with Hillary, and continue to repeat, is ALLEGATIONS. Not fact. You've heard those things. NO PROOF.

@jorj The Russia investigation is not that old. I'm talking the Mueller investigation.

A GOP opponent hired a firm who hired Steele. Then when Trump got nominated the Democrats took over payments. All that was pre-election. Steele was so freaked out by what he found about Trump, that he contacted the FBI through back channels. They had ALREADY been looking into him because one of Trump's minions was running his mouth to an Aussie diplomat.

There have been several indictments involving Trump minions. That's how it goes. They arrest the little fish and get them to turn on the big fish. Patience.

My guess is, after all is said and done, it will all be money laundering behind the entire thing. That's how the Russians have Trump by the balls.

James Comey didn't have any Hillary evidence. He backtracked. ZERO EVIDENCE.

Trump, and you, keep saying no collusion with Russia. If that's true, why does Trump want to stop the investigation?
What is Truno afraid of?
Trump said, on NBC, to Lester Holt, that he fired Comey to stop the Russian Investigation.
If Trump is innocent, won't the investigation clear him?

Bottom line. YOU believe the lies. You keep repeating vague FOX"News" NRA/Republican Party rhetoric, but you have NO proof. Just what you've heard them say.

Remember "Pizzagate"? Hillary and the Democrats were running a child sex ring in the basement of this pizza place in DC? This dude, who'd heard about it, got his rifle and charged down there to save the day. When he got there with his gun he found a pizza place. No basement. No child sex ring. Dude went to jail. Like you, he believed the liars who had lied to him.

@jorj I never said you're a liar. You believe the lies. You're trying to convince me to believe what I know to be lies with NO evidence. Just repetition of the same untrue, false stories.

The difference between me and you is, I'm not repeating lies. I'm not going to tell you something is a fact that I know is not a fact.

@jorj The Mueller investigation is ongoing and he's playing it close to the vest. He DOES have some guilty pleas and Manafort is in big trouble also with the indictments. Trump's lawyer is in trouble too, but how related to treason with Russia, I don't know.

You said Hillary is a criminal. What is your proof.

@jorj Nope. Those are allegations. She's rich so she must be a crook. Something about Weiner's laptop. Hillary must be guilty of something. Comey made a statement saying how careless Hillary was, but no crime. That was the gist of it. VERY poorly timed a week before the election.

What is your explanation for Colin Powell, Bush's Secretary of State, saying he did the exact same thing as Hillary, before Hillary, and no one said "boo" about it? Why is Hillary a criminal and Powell is not?

Several of Trump's family members and campaign people met with a Russian agent, in Trump Tower, with Trump one floor away. Don Jr. ADMITTED it and they have his emails to prove it. No collusion?

@jorj You're wrong. Here's a quote from Comey:

"... he also criticized Hillary Clinton for discussing classified material on an unclassified system — and for not creating a “healthy leadership culture” in which advisers would counsel her otherwise.

He added that penetration of Clinton’s servers, particularly China, “was a serious concern of ours … but we couldn’t find the trail that established that any foreign adversary had gotten into her servers.” "

[politico.com]

@jorj Nope. Look at the link. It's from yesterday. Back when Comey "reopened" the Hillary investigation that had never closed, he eventually said that what was on that laptop, was what they already had. So, oops, there was no need to "reopen" the investigation a week before the election.

Comey, FBI Director, had lead the FBI investigation. Not you. Not me. Who knows what happened and if there was a crime? The people who did the investigation.

If you'd like to repeat yourself, again, I'll be glad to point out that you're wrong, again. You don't have any facts. I really like how you pretend to know what the law is and a law school graduate, and former FBI Director like Comey, doesn't. Very believable.

@jorj You're wrong.

Here, here!!

The words of a Patriot … as the world agrees ~

...follow up: It’s amazing how many political novices feel they’ve become experts by advising others not to give a damn…

lol

@btroje ...wish I could too.. But damn, I take this stuff seriously

@Varn I do to . just laffing at the OP statement you commented on.Trump needs to be checked at every opportunity.I almost think they hope we get tired of it and give up.I am more in favor of calling it in an effective way. Blowing off steam is good to but I would like to get rid of the fire behind that steam

I'll agree on this point. I never liked all this 'libtard' this and 'rethuglican' that, either, and it gets more grating by the day. It's not clever and it's not the sick burn people who use it think it is. We need to voice our objections in a manner that can be taken seriously.

Name calling takes away any possibility of having a discussion and understanding.

Mr Trump appears to be a bully and has made a lot of decisions on the basis of winding back Obama policies that appeared to be good for the country.

He doesnt seem to think things through very well.
Case in point: He's been making threatening noises towards China for some time. China's latest reaction to that has been to cancel its soybean contract with the USA and place it elsewhere.

Nett result: The USA's soybean producers will be out of pocket to the tune of several million dollars, and it could wipe out a lot of Mid-Western farmers.

Also you should understand that Mr Trump's support from the Christian fundamentalists is based on the fact that they believe that he will instigate WW3 which fits in with their end-times beliefs in Armageddon and the Instigation of the Rapture.

@eeyorn I think a lot of people know that

Well if that's the case do we appear to be sleep-walking towards disaster?

@geko You’re 20 years out of the loop here.. But, ‘Clinton’ is apparently the Go-To name of the far-wrong ~ Strange, usually those having fallen for that rhetoric are in church right now

@geko did you know that humans and chickens share the fact that they are social animals? When they become massively overpopulated and put into small dwellings they immediately begin killing each other. Just saying

@Varn good come back.

@geko but Trump has said that with about 20 different women and we all know his track record with wives and cheating. I do believe that many of our presidents had affairs but I am also commenting on Trumps nasty derogatory comments on the poor, disabled, women in general, etc and the list goes on. A moral compass is much more than one's sexual behavior.

@AmelieMatisse yes it is the total picture not just the affair thing.

@btroje yes. We Americans are so caught up on the sex thing that we forget every other facet of people's ethics and morals

Workable solution: impeach Trump. Oh wait we can't because he has some butt kissing congressmen protecting him

I'm able to talk politics with many of my friends, often they have opposing views to mine. Its all a matter of treating them and their political beliefs with respect.

@jorj Yes I would rather have Pence because i am ok with people having different views and political directions. What I am not ok with is a idiot selling out our country and working just to protect his fragile ego. He is destroying our gov piece by piece, hurting people left and right and we are close to becoming an oligarchy. And lord knows what the Russians have on him. Must be something good with his refusal to do anything to thwart the cyber intrusions.

@jorj, @Bobby9 yeah i really think i know for myself who i would hate more. As a Native American and Mexican American woman Trump is much more of a threat to me than Pence. But what is more important is that he is a threat to many people beyond myself. Its not just about me. Its about all marginalized and vulnerable people in this country. And its about the threat to democracy itself. If people are not worried, they are not paying attention.

@MacTavish.... You have nail it dead center. That is exactly the way out of this. What can I do to move the ball forward??? If everyone of us.... etc Thanks for your thoughts, we will eventually start making changes to more constructive ways.

True, I've turned over a new Leaf. It's all in an attitude check, and the answer is always f*** it

@Bobby9 i would agree with you % if he was just a creep. But he will take us all down with his ignorance and folly. Right now he is working on destroying tribal sovereignty. Right now he is destroying the EPA, right now is destroying the state dept and destroying our standing in the world, etc.

@NotConvinced I'm the last person to believe mainstream media spin. But I am a student of history, including your country's, and my view is based on that.