Hot is a subjective word. What I consider hot is not the same as what you'd consider hot. In reality the people at nudist clubs are the same as your average person at the mall. We aren't there to be observed by others, matter of fact staring isn't allowed. I love the nudist places because everyone is considered equal, no putting people down for not looking sharp in that bikini. I've seen scars all over, double mastectomies, and all were hot to me, just for being themselves.

What we can't handle are men's groping eyes and hands.

I've ridden in the Portland oregon World naked Bike ride several times, and it is a lot of fun. The Portlan dride attracts over 10,000 riders each year and is one of world's largest.

Yeah, when at a nude beach or club, I am surrounded by naked people, butI never think of . I think it is all a matter of social context.

Also, we have been conditioned or socially programmed as a society to see peoples clothign as a part of their attractiveness.

Having lived in Southern California, the closest (legl) nude beach to you is Blacks Beach in San Diego. I think I read about a nude beach in North Santa Barbara country, but I have never been to it. There are soem clothing optional hotels and spas in Palm Springs, but many of them cater to "swingers".

Also get a whole lot of savings on clothes. Though maybe not sunscreen

I don't think I have ever considered that aspect....

LOL...

You obviously don't live in Alaska!

When I bought my bike, P paid extra for a few conveniences, such as a more comfortable seat, puncture proof tires (the fivers in the rires are supposedly stronger than kevlar) and puncture resistant tubes, so I am comfortable on the ride and don't experience flats when riding.

I am aware some peopel buy special set sovers for when they ride naked.

The World Naked Bi9ke Ride in Portland Oregon attracts over 10,000 participants each year. It takes about two hours for all the riders to pass by.

Most people don't bat an eye, but there are always those few (usually the fanatically religious) who react badly.

I don't want to see Trump naked either. However, even with him the above stated rules that a person can't be anything with the intent of sexually arousign either themselves or anyone else would still apply. If public nudity were legal, I can't see him participating as he is all about image and in his mind "clothes make the man". I can't see him voluntarily putting himself in a position where nobody would be cued in to his status via the clothes he wasn't wearing and people saw him as just "equal".

On the other hand, seeing Trump naked would help people trying to lose weight as one look and they would lose their appetites.

Yes. Those darn puritans... If we were meant to be naked we'd have been born that way.

There have been a lot of repliesw were people share your concerns.

I do know that at nudist clubs, or businesses that are clothing optional (like spas) it is good etiquette to carry a towel with you to sit on.

I can totally agree with that!

I find that usually those persons who people don't wan tot see naked, also prefer not to see those sam,e person wearing clothes either. It is a learned cultural bias. Once Irealized that, I became a lot less judgemental myself.

Not sure if I really want to know what a goffer is....

Or on your speach. Want to trade?

I think we need more nude beaches, or other designated area where people are free to choose whether or not to wear clothing.

If you are an infant that is cool. Otherwise it is either creepy or sexual and either has no place in a walmart!

Between that and just a general religious prude attitude....

Religions just associate nudity with sex. Most Americans have no experiences with nudity outside of sex or bathing.

Body image has a lot to do with it too. Unless a person feels insecure about how they look, advertisers won't be able to sell us a bunch of stuff that we really dont' need, which is supposed to make us look better, whether it be clothes cosmetics, skin care products, bogus weight loss products or whatever.

In New York, I believe it is just legal for women to go topless.

In Oregon, it is technically legal to be nude, due to an Oregon State Supreme Court ruling, but a lot of the language in teh rulign was pretty gray, which the only circumstances definitively spelled otu is for protesting, although anyone who has been cited for nudity who cites the ruling has the case dismissed. So, technically it is legal, but some localities still act liek it isn't.

I am told that Vermont, although perhaps nto for the same reasons, is kind of like Oregon. Technically it is legal, but localities pretend it isn't. Havent' bene there or red up on Vermont laws.

Despite nudity beign technically legal in Oregon, most persons who liekt o be naked choose to wear clothes because they either don't wish to offend, or simply to get along better with their neighbors. I think even if public nudity were legal, most people would conform to societal norms.

Or objectively!