@maturin1919 yes, please.

I disagree with extinction, but I do think humans should begin a population reduction program. One child per couple globally, until the population is brought back to a manageable level.

[EDIT]: As soon as I wrote that I thought about all the situations of second relationships and individuals wanting a child and I think we'd have to work all that out somehow because I do think anyone who wants to be a parent should get that opportunity but, I don't have ALL the answers yet.

@maturin1919 I am not reproducing again, and my son is dead. So yeah

@maturin1919 I said to stop procreating to lead to extinction. One of these days, I may kill myself, anyway. Won’t you be pleased?

I've heard Richard Dawkins espouse the same idea

For a democracy to work the majority of voters need to be educated. As a former long time poll worker I have seen how uneducated voters have brought us to what we have today. Unfortunately, many educated voters still lack some basic knowledge about how to vote.

@TheMiddleWay I completely disagree. I couldn't tell you what the offical line is, but clearly there needs to be one. Look around.

The GOP has built a legacy on stopping people from voting that don't agree with their party, redrawing districts to win elections easier, taking money from big corporations to vote for laws that don't represent their constituents, keeping the blue collar workers afraid of illegals, dividing up groups on single hot button issues (like gun control) causing them to vote against themselves, and stripping education away from the populace slowly to build a party of idiots who love voting and red hats.

Don't get me wrong, the Dems try to do a lot of this shit too they're just also incompetent at politics so when Clinton controls the party she runs the worst campaign ever losing in the biggest layup election in history.

We're a nation divided because of ignorance, and people should have to earn the right to vote. If you think you wouldn't make the cut and want to have your voice heard, what would you do to earn that right? On top of that, if people wouldn't go that extra mile, why should they get a vote?

Stupid people know when they're hurting - they can measure that better than intelligent elites can measure it for them, and they need to have the democratic power to defend themselves.

@David_Cooper Stupid people routinely vote AGAINST their self interests because a politician and party convince them that the thing they should be scared of is something irrelevant to them.

The most common one is illegal immigrants. Many idiots are convinced that illegal immigrants are a threat to their jobs, the economy, and their safety and they're voting for a wall that they ACTUALLY believed Mexico would pay for. The statistical reality is that illegal immigrants help the economy, don't take equivalent jobs, and commit less crime than legal citizens. They'd be better off voting for the Dems but they are buying the snake-oil. The only people who should be voting Republican are white millionaires who don't give a fuck about their children. However they throw in a few things for morons to be afraid of and they've got a party.

@TheMiddleWay We do it already. The US population is ~330M and ~123M aren't allowed to vote. The most common categories are under the voting age, currently incarcerated or past felony convictions, and mentally unable.

Of that 2/3 that are allowed to vote, about 55% actually turn out to vote. Our presidency is being decided by 1/3 of our actual population,and since the elections are usually pretty cut down the middle, 1/6 of the populace is choosing our president and on the last election the president didn't even win the popular vote.

If you want to convince me that we're doing a good job electing representatives because ~17% of the population chose them, you've got a long road ahead of you. The largest selection of GOP voters was non-college educated white males. Racist idiots selected Trump, a president who gets laughed at by the entire UN.

We've already proven REPEATEDLY that our current method doesn't work.

@TheMiddleWay I'm not saying that you need to take an IQ test or have a degree, but a certain level of participation and effort should be a prerequisite. Right now people who can't tell lies apart from the truth are being lied to and its working. You need to train and take a test to drive a car, why can't the same be true for voting?

I second that!

I kind of like it when they dispense with the pleasantries and focus on being right. The religious apologists make a big show of being nice and flaunt that shit-eater grin because they are not arguing evidence, they are trying to get people to like them and buy snakeoil.

What is the atheist cause?

@Donotbelieve Oooh, kinky!

@Donotbelieve I believe that being attracted to a man in a cardigan is the height of kink. But then again, I'm so vanilla I'm practically flavourless.

@Spongebob IKR?

Absobloodylutely..can't abide the smugass sexist git!

There is no atheist cause. Not believing in god is no cause. You believe in god? That is your problem. Just don't bother me with your religion.

Would you advocate for the opposite as well?

@Xuande Absolutely. The ladies need to stay out of prostate cancer, male circumcision and male infertility treatment. I'm sure it's a sacrifice they'd be willing to make

@MrBeelzeebubbles Cool. I entirely agree on both points. That's weird. Wanna fight or something instead?

@Xuande actually, it's been a few months since I did any full contact sparring, so weirdly enough, yes. I do want a fight. I miss combat.

@MrBeelzeebubbles Oooo...can I get in on that? I love to spar. Even though this probably isn't the forum for it, what style do you (did you) practice? (Kickboxing and Tae Kwon Do, with a smidge of wrestling for me)

@MrBeelzeebubbles agreed, except about circumcision, that’s actually not a choice anyone should be making except the person who’s penis it is. I’ll fight to have it outlawed to babies even if I’m not a man.

@Chephren pretty similar - I mainly did kickboxing and Krav Maga, so mostly stand up stuff, with a bit of close quarters dirty boxing thrown in. I'm not much of a grappler.

Why 70? Why not 19?

I don't think it should be mandatory but it should be legal and safe for people to end their own lives.

@Donna_I, @NothinnXpreVails ...the work force might be negatively affected if we start killing off the 19 year olds. Besides that's already a job the military has been doing a pretty good job at since it's inception.

@Donna_I ...indeed!!

@Razorjelly yeah, but I couldn’t care less about a slave force, or work force, whatever

@NothinnXpreVails - well the slave force thing never played out so good here...or in Egypt.

@Razorjelly we’re all slaves...

In the "Logan's Run" movie, it was 30.

I agree.

@TristanNuvo I think that with our current numbers and what that does to the planet we could be classified as vermin.

@patchoullijulie Some simple mathematics about food should weigh in here as well.
meaning that by far, there isn't enough food food the whole population as it is, and the numbers keep growing at an alarming rate.

@TristanNuvo Yes and food supply is one of the most damaging things that we do.

@patchoullijulie and @TristanNuvo I accept that this is an unpopular opinion thread. However, we produce far more than enough food to feed the entire population.

People go to bed hungry because we aren't good at transporting it cheaply enough for anyone to do it. The world is not overpopulated. I never really understood this argument.

@Xuande I am actually talking about the way we produce the food not necessarily the quantity produced. I disagree on the over population question. For the stress that we put on the planet, we are in overpopulation mode.

@patchoullijulie The stress that we currently put on the planet isn't harming Earth so much as it is harming our future ability to live on it. That said, we're becoming more efficient and clean in our use of natural resources. By showing a greater respect to the environment, we could easily continue to expand.

The entire human population could live in an area the size of Ukraine. It'd be a bustling metropolis but we're not overpopulated from a land use standpoint.

@maturin1919 i toilet trained 2 sons. Done. Y'all can have your cats.

@maturin1919 my little doggies poops in the yard and it disappears when it rains. Easy peasy.

@maturin1919 my cat pees down the shower drain and poops outside. Because she's an absolute badass.

@maturin1919 i consider it a form of composting

@moonmaid I figure you knew I was going to take the bait, so here it goes.... Whoever enter beyond this point is at ones risk: Unpopular opiniioins:

1. A lot of issues going on today are driven only because a lot of people hate Trump.
2. A lot of people that hate Trump they don't even know why (They think they do but think harder)
3. Ford allegations, no evidence..in other words BS and again, she must believed because hatred towards Trump
4. Feinstein claim she didn't leak the letter (or her staff) was just plain lame
   5.- Booker have had violence issues in his record but no one seem to care
5. Harris questioning trying to corner Kavanaugh was just embarrasing (even when she thought she was tough and clever)
6. Everyone just to despise immigrants until Trump started with the traveling ban and it's now a freaking miracle because everyone loves immigrants... BS
7. Separation of children at the border... another BS to discredit this administration. A lot of those children are kidnapped south by drug dealers and the kiddo is their ticket to this country...so they thought, until Trump started enforcing borders
8. The wall is a psicological war to deter illegal immigration and its working
9. Pulling off the climate change in Paris does not have any impact on current weather conditions... its all about leverage and power which Europe was so eager to drive
   I could go on but there is a limit on txt plus this is probably enough fire

@moonmaid It's all in good fun and it's actually interesting to test our current enviroment where some people will feel true hatred towards me, a cartoon face with a bogus name. No one can know me as a person and it's ridiculos to have bad feelings towards a virtual identity. Anyhow, the original posting is asking for unpopular opinions and all the ones I have listed sure enough they are, what some people will not think about it first is, which ones do I really believe? It's just fascinating

@moonmaid ..... Ha ha ha...yup. I just cannot believe I forgot to include the Russian collision !!!

Its a more intelligent (imo) decision. But you're not a more intelligent person. Thats my take

Unfortunately the majority of the members of this site fall under that category.

It does not make you more intelligent, it just takes the shackles off the intelligence that was there all along and dispels illusions and brain washing.

@Kevhov exactly my point of view !

The word "intelligent" is not a part of my vocabulary. I find it hard to tell who's intelligent and who's not. One's genius is someone else's idiot.

Ahhh so you would rather we see a return to child labour, legally endorsed unequal pay and slavery?

@Amisja So, I was right... I have an unpopular opinion. Since this is the random and silly group, I won't respond to your popular opinion...

@sfvpool erm...you just did

I mostly agree but I still watch occasionally ?

@maturin1919 I suppose so, but aside from actors which I also think are overpaid you don't see people getting paid multimillion dollar contracts to play a game that is basically inconsequential to our existence. Its obscene the things that could be helped and remedied by that money, when you rest of us give up our prime years and health for just the basics in most cases.

@maturin1919 because of stadium tax subsidy hand outs

If pro sports are so great, why do they need money from governments?!

How you gonna shit on chicken and waffles?

I have no opinion on NDGT but, while being no expert, I do agree that a lot of cosmology and higher physics now seems based on pure speculation and belief supported by little experimental evidence, some of which is contradictory, and it is in real danger of beginning to act like a religion more than science. Cosmology is protected from an lot of the attacks that religious fundamentalists mount on biology, by the fact that it is seen as complex and difficult to understand, yet maybe the attacks are actually good for biology, because the need to answer them helps to keep it grounded.

@Deiter I've always felt like his cuddliness and charm was fake. Like there's a bad person under the facade. So it wouldn't surprise me. I Googled it and found the accusation, but couldn't find if anything came of it. Might be a stretch, but his belief in the multiverse would have probably helped him be ok with doing it, if he did. Just like most religious belief, the multiverse belief frees you from personal responsibility.

@Minta79 Chicken in gravy over waffles all day, everyday. Doing it Dutch style, not this Southern shit.

@Fernapple Yeah, unfortunately it'll be hard to prove the true nature of the universe. We will always have an observational limit and even if we didn't, it'd technically not be able to be proven to be infinite or finite. If it's infinite and we travel an infinite distance, at any point someone believes it to be finite, they can just say "well you can't prove there isn't an end further out". If it is finite and we travel to the end, someone who believes it is infinite can just say "well you can't prove there is or isn't something beyond this boundary".

Ideal for a world dictatorship - it just takes a Putin to come along and we're all stuffed.

@David_Cooper

I think it would be easier to get rid if these dickheads actually. The way the world has become interconnected and the population is growing, I think a world government is inevitable anyway. One way or another...

It doesn't work that way - big blocks fall to dictators just as easily as small ones, but the bigger they are, the harder it is to overthrow them. It's safest to keep countries small. With world government, one lurch to left or right is all it would take for a genocide of billions.

@David_Cooper

I disagree. I think if there was a way to ensure fair & democratic elections in each country or region, which I know is saying a lot, then the weight of humanity's will would overcome any wannabe dictators and demagogues.

I think our problem right now is that too many countries think that their way is the better way. Too much like religions as a matter of fact. Or sports teams.

@maturin1919 The differences are too numerous to list.

@maturin1919 should be a badge.

Funny, I don't feel you leaning on me...

You might find higher intelligence on this site

Oh dear. Now which natives are you talking about Davey? You mean the Beaker people or perhaps the ancient Celts? I get that you never got the romans round your end, but what about invasions from the Vikings? Now come on may be your mean those Hugenaughts from Holland or our Jewish brethern from Eastern Europe who have been abused for generations. You see Davey lad, they didn't assimilate they blended in! They brought skills, language (pyjama, shampoo, caravan...words from India) from wherever they came from and they shared it with us. So you are free to eat your battered pizza as you like it!
I am sad to hear you say that because I love Scotland, Scottish people are the warmest and most welcoming of anywhere I have been. I went on marches in Edinburugh where the SDL where laughed at. As a northen English woman, I always was made to feel welcome. Oh and Davey newly arrived immigrants can't vote! They can't claim benefits and there is a pretty tough English test for anyone wanting to become British.

Okay I go along with that, after we have paid back all the money we got from empire with interest.

@273kelvin and maybe paid reparations to all those slaves that were shipped to the Caribbean.

@Amisja You can't undo the wrongs of the past with waves of invasions - over time populations do mix and you develop a new kind of native inhabitant. The Beaker people survive as 10% on average of each of the current natives. The Angles, Saxons and Vikings make up 40% of the current natives in the same way. These invaders weren't invited in or given permission to stay, so it was far worse than what's happening today, but lots of mixing has gone on since and you can't pick out anyone from any of those old tribes in the modern population, which means that the voice of the native people is in that mix. You can obviously look ahead to a future mix going on and on until there is only one race on the planet, one language, one culture, and a much less interesting world, and you can argue that that's better, but what I find objectionable is that we have people driving that process deliberately for political reasons. Here's an example: [bbc.co.uk]

When anyone mentions 'Big Pharma' I ask them if they are aware of alltrials.net .

@MrBeelzeebubbles @Xuande Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

why is it then that in the USA, a huge list of drugs are legal that everywhere else in the world are considered too dangerous, addictive or useless to be allowed to be prescribed by doctors?
Unless the Pharmaceutical companies do have undue influence on the writing and implementation of rules that govern them in the first place?

Just a though

@LenHazell53 that's why you should check out alltrials.net. It's a campaign for the release of all pharmaceutical trial data from all sources - academic and commercial.

@MrBeelzeebubbles I am confused. Wouldn't the release of all data just. confirm the reality of "big pharma"?

Legalize because illegal has obviously failed.

@patchoullijulie Agreed. Awhile back in another post, I wrote all drugs should be legalized.
-legal = no longer stigmatizing drug users, better treatments and care, regulation of potency and ingredients of drugs
-illegal = continued overdose/deaths and arrests/incarcerations

Prohibition is the base line for the illegal economy of all nations, it generates such huge amounts of wealth and indirectly supports the actual economy to such a degree it is always necessary.
If it is not drugs, it will be something else, forbidden fruit is always the sweetest.

Agreed. I stay away from babies and toddlers for that reason, among others.

Sour milk eh? I used to have fun thinking about starting a new cheese brand out of my little one’s poop. It smelled good. And then she started eating other things and the project was stopped before it even started.

@SergeyCornwall awgawd I just threw up in my mouth a little.

I had no idea that there such a thing as a twinkie maker.....that is just sad lol

@patchoullijulie the smiles on the faces tell it all

@lerlo ha ha ha that's great. I had no idea.

@linxminx they are killing us with every method they can think of. Look at the destruction of the epa

@linxminx Right, but it seems these overdoses are due to the promotion of these drugs as tools for pain mitigation while leaving out the dangers of addiction. FDA oversees drugs like this but not their marketing (see oxycontin).

i think it's more "the government has a lot of different addiction types to deal with but lack the funding and support" rather than "the government is doing nothing about it", but i get that sentiment, though.

i want something a bit more widespread and "random" in terms of population reduction.

Couldn't agree more.

@maturin1919 black licorice is way worse then Hawaiian pizza seriously

I agree. Black licorice is the BEST licorice. I ate as a kid, and still eat it occasionally.

So when and where are you running for election? ?

I would legalise the trading and possession of drugs, but make it illegal to consume some of them. That would cut out practically all the crime and environmental destruction, and the main remaining "crime" would be people harming themselves, which isn't something that requires punishment unless they're harming others in the process, but some discouragement may be useful.

@IBuiltTheMoon The biggest part that bamboozles me is how he fired off 3 rounds in 5.6 seconds with a bolt-action Italian piece of shit! Carlos Hathcock couldn't do it. He was the best 1000 yard shot the Marines had! Jesse Ventura couldn't do it. He was Expert. People that have served during the time said it would be hard to get a head shot in that time frame with an M-14. Your target is moving 6-8 MPH, you are on the 6th floor, and you have to shoot through trees. I do balistists tests myself.