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Does evil exist? As non-believers do we still accept the concept of evil in its pure form?

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273kelvin 8 Oct 7
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Evil does exist. Just look at the White House.

Just don’t stare at FOXNews, you’ll go blind, crazy or both.

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In my opinion, evil is strictly a human condition. My definition of evil is anything that is done deliberately, intentionally, with malice of forethought that causes harm or damage to another. Non-human animals, plants, non-living things are not and can not be evil as it has to be a deliberate, conscious decision one makes to cause harm.

So chimps killing another chimp from a different group and eating them isn't evil? Ever watch a cat toy with a mouse before eating it?

@xenoview Please read my comment again if you did not understand it the first time.

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Yes, horribly destructive behavior that cares for nothing but it’s own power driven by hate! I don’t believe I need to aprouch it from a biblical perspective since as evidenced by this platform none of us believe in a God or Devil... evil is in the White House and anyplace people suffer while the greedy stand on their shoulders!

I want to ad my definition of, “ it’s pure form” ... is it relentless? Does it lack remorse? If the answer is yes it might be as pure a form as could exist... but if by “pure” you mean somthing that doesnt exist in terms of atheism there would be no reason to answer the question.

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Of course. The 20th Century alone is full of many evil dictators, killing millions of people, mostly their own citizens.

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Nobody sees themselves as evil.

Everybody thinks they are doing what is necessary when they act against others. Save the country from sh~hole migrants, behave as a compassionate conservative, round up those minorities, whatever.

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I think that (evil) is subjective.
Some people do some shit things, yet also do good things too. does that make them evil?
I think there is a sinner, and saint in every one, No one is pure anything.
Even killing. there are times when it is a bad thing, and there are times when it is good.

A whale kills more shrimp and fish in one week than all of the tyrants that ever lived. Do we call the whale evil?

I guess that anything could be good or bad depending on ones point of view.

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It depends on what you mean by "pure evil." If it means an intelligently malignant intent independent of physical beings, then no.

But I believe that there are people who enjoy malignant (and cruel) actions for the sake of cruelty alone. Are they "pure" evil? And I say I don't care; they are evil enough for me.

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Evil doesn't exist neither does goodness, it's a point of View. These points of view have lead to the degradation of society for thousands of years. We are all brain washed into believing into these points of view. If we didn't judge one thing as good or evil. Would it be wrong to go by our animal instincts? Kill off those that make us weak, fight those that would oppress us, as a wolf will fight for dominance and leadership. Hunt for food or fight protect our territory or loved ones. We judge ourselves as higher lifeforms. But we strive against the natural order.

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i have SEEN evil. i don't attach the word "pure" to it for a variety of reasons, not least of which is that it's not a THING. it's a characteristic, and no human characteristic is pure. it's always mixed with other stuff, not necessarily conflicting stuff, but other. so "pure" doesn't apply. it's not a force. it's not the wind, or a god. it's how some people are.

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I don't believe in anything like "pure evil." I think it's terms like these we use to alienate those who do harm in ways that we don't understand in order to draw lines between them and us, when the truth is likely that they're more alike us than not. People say "Hitler" and "Trump" as examples, but I would bet that either of these men, if you met them without knowing who they were in a one-on-one scenario would come across more normal than you think and that's the scary part. Hitler didn't hypnotize anyone and rise to power. He took advantage of German people's biases and made bigotry palatable enough to gain followers, but we like to pain him as a hate monster which is easier than accept that we can all be manipulated into following someone who has harmful motives. It's why we are in a sticky wicket in America right now. Trump is in power because there are enough people willing to let someone like that rule for their personal gain. Religious leaders embrace him for that "long game" of ending abortions and rich people doing it to stay richer. From their internal perspective, even though it sound deplorable, they're doing it to self-sustain. And I'm not saying I want to relate to these people, because they can suck the dirt from toes for electing a moron, but I'm saying that if I spoke to them, I could probably see their logic. Not agree with it. But see it. There's no such thing as evil or monsters.

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Does Blue exist can you show me an ounce of blue
Does Two exist can you show me a piece of two
Find me one grain of evil and I will accept it as existing, otherwise it is just a description of an act thought to be against the well being on a person or thing by another person.
When a person is described as being evil, it is a misnomer for a person capable of doing evil, saying "that is an evil person", is like calling a philosopher a philosophy.

Evil is simply a concept and not an objective one at that.

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I even wrote a book on this subject. Idea of evil and the devil has always intrigued me. The most insight into the concept I've found is presented in William Golding's Lord of the Flies. The concept of the devil is nothing more than a primitive attempt to explain human evolution from carnivorous pack hunters. The character "Jack" is the Freudian "id" (it), the seat of feral, human emotions like rage, anger, jealousy and envy.

The character Simon says, "Maybe we are the beastie". Religion has clouded our view of our own nature. Most people just read a disturbing story about choir boys stranded on an island. There's more to it than that. It's the first attempt to study human nature, as under a microscope.

How do you say "Lord of the flies" in Hebrew?" Beelzebub.

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I define good as that which advances life and evil as that which impedes life, so yes, there is evil. This is the basis of morality.

@Infoguy211, extreme self-centeredness does impede life, so it fits. But you can have evil without extreme self-centeredness, so I wouldn't include that in the definition.

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I’m my mind, with the denouncement of god, comes the denouncement of the devil. Just as you would have to believe in “all or nothing” when it comes to the stories in the Bible, I believe the same is true when you decide not to believe, it’s all or nothing. Good and evil only exist in the minds and actions of all living things, in my humble opinion.

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Evil does exist, more in the form of what people do, but not in the form of some external force that drive people to commit bad or evil deeds. P3eople can be evil without any e3xternal influences, such as in some cases of sociopathy or virtually all cases of psychopathy.

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I think the words Good and Evil are like the words fair or deserve.... they refer to something that doesn't truly exist.

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I think there is somewhere between the psychology of what can go wrong with people - and average societal expectations - and behavior that is so very far off the normal - that I define it as evil.

I can think of a few authors I've read who research and then write fiction about serial killers... right there I'm very easily convinced of "evil".
It's almost a choice to do wrong knowing it's wrong and not caring.

Still working on that idea though.

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A hammer can be used to build or destroy. Using it to destroy does not make the wielder evil, however, it may prove he's an asshole. What is my point? I have no idea.

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The idea of evil vs. pure evil makes this poll a bit tricky. It is a subtle change, but an important one in my view. When I taught business ethics, I proposed that good/evil were social constructs to help identify what was acceptable behaviour or how far out of bounds some behaviour is. Using murder as an example... murder (in cold blood) is "evil" but murder (self-defense) can bend the perception for some people, and genocide is almost universally evil. Yet, the occurrence of murder can be rather banal. Yes, a bit of shameless referencing to Arendt's Banality of Evil, but I think it presents some noteworthy thinking points.

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If a person is just "born evil" that implies they never had a chance to be anything else, that there was never an option for them that didn't involve "evil". If that's the case, aren't they also a victim of "evil"? Their life and path predetermined by a force they can't resist or change.

Seems an awful lot like a theists belief to me...

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Humans don't need monsters, we can be bad enough to scare imagined creatures.

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Does some people mean ill intent? Yes, of course. That's a choice, not evil. Evil is an idea, concept or metaphor used as an easy way out to justify bad choices.

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What the heck is "pure form"? If you mean as a separate entity or being, that is just something people make up because they cannot accept that evil simply lies within human nature. Nothing should be surprising about that. There is a tremendous amount of brutality that exists in the animal kingdom. But people who cannot accept that we are part of the animal kingdom need something outside ourselves to blame it on.

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There’s no such thing as evil or sin IMO. There are mistakes, but people can correct their mistakes.

The only way the word is useful is when, if someone does something I don’t like I judge them to be evil. But judging people is a mistake, so by all rights the word could be dropped from the language.

Will someone please call and inform the dictionary companies.

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Read: I Cannot Forgive by Rudolph Vrba. This book is about an escape from Auschwitz. If there is not true or pure evil, the behavior by some humans comes pretty close.

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