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Someone said that even if you don't believe in God, it is advisable to live your life as if there is a God. What do you think of that?

Lidasman 4 Apr 5

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zesty Level 7 Apr 5, 2019

"If people are good only because they fear punishment, and hope for reward, then we are a sorry lot indeed." ~ Albert Einstein

Albert Einstein. “The creator was unknowable. In view of such harmony in the cosmos which I, with my limited human understanding, am able to recognize, there are yet people who say there is no God. But really what makes me angry is that they quoted me for support of such views. I am not an atheist.“

@rock9361 "The word god is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honourable, but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish. No interpretation no matter how subtle can (for me) change this."
Letter to philosopher Eric Gutkind, January 3, 1954.

"It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it."
Albert Einstein, letter to an atheist (1954)

@greyeyed123 Just wondering: What is the purpose of your life? Why are you living? What gets you up every morning besides the desire to eat and be comfortable until you cease to exist? How long before the memory of greyeyed123 ceases to be a memory or have relevance? If your worldview emanates from evolution -- so sad, too bad.

@rock9361 Spinoza's idea of God, which Einstein adopted, bears little resemblance to yahweh/allah/jesus senior and got him excommunicated

@rock9361 Are you really interested? It sounds like you are not really interested. You seem to want to preach.

@rock9361 I'm not going to respond to all of these, as they are all patent nonsense. But the first one...
2 Peter 3.10 - Atomic Fission
You apparently think "and the elements shall melt with fervent heat" refers to fission. The only problem is that the "elements" in the bible were earth, air, fire, and water.

I notice you still haven't responded to my question. Are you really interested? It seems you don't really care. You just want to preach.

@greyeyed123 I'm missing your point. What are you saying or asking? You wrote: "Are you really interested? It sounds like you are not really interested. You seem to want to preach." I haven't "preached", I have tried to give you some concrete facts that conflict with your worldview. The more I continue to read of current science processes, the more evolution is becoming less relevant. Chemical Evolution (life springing from the "Primordial Soup" ) is no longer a serious theory. "Darwinian Tree of Life" is being shelved along with the Flat Earth. "Big Bang" doesn't answer scientists questions. They are searching other ideas such as Multiuniverse or Theory of Inflations. Actually, they are at an end of serious theories to work with. As one physicist said, "We are waiting for another Einstein to come along and give them something better to work with. Now, I know you are going to dismiss what I have submitted, but maybe you could defend the "Primordial Soup", "Darwinian Tree of Life", "Big Bang". You know what is easy: dismiss facts, don't refute or engage, and hold to a vacant evolutionary worldview. Dangerous.

@Buttercup Is philosophy science, you know observable, testable, repeatable?

@greyeyed123 We believe bigfoot exists because we have seen his footprints. This analogy assuredly makes no sense to you.

@rock9361 Is religion? Is choosing Einstein's quotation that support your view and ignoring those that don't a legitimate scientific argument? Are ridiculous bible quotes science?

@rock9361 You asked me what gives my life meaning and purpose, then ran way. When I asked if you were really interested, you began preaching again. Now you are listing patently false information. It seems you really don't care to listen. That's fine.

@rock9361 There is nothing like projecting a position onto someone and then declaring you know what their answer will be, and then running away while declaring they will not listen to you. Again, would you like an answer to any of these questions, or are you just going to keep projecting answers onto us with strawmen and then running away. I ask, are you REALLY interested, or do you just want to assume you know what we think, and tell us we should rather think what you think?

@greyeyed123 Many agnostics/atheists believe that if God isn't seen by them, talks to them, do some magic tricks for them, then they are convinced He doesn't exist.

"Do you not think that there are things which you cannot understand, and yet which are; that some people see things that others cannot?  … Ah, it is the fault of our science that it wants to explain all; and if it explain not, then it says there is nothing to explain." ~ B. Stoker

We tend to assume that we can see, feel and experience everything there is to be perceived in life.

12 Things We Can’t See, But Amazingly Exist
"Each and every day there is a rich and complex world going on just beyond our veil of perception.
In fact, literally anything could be happening right now without us knowing – invisible worlds colliding, unseen births, deaths, transformations. In fact, quantum physics suggests that the past, present and future is simultaneously occurring right now.

What science does know only represents a minuscule fraction of what likely exists beyond our perception. The following points represents things that exist, but aren’t visible to the naked human eye."

  1. Radio Waves
  2. Atoms
  3. Dark Matter
  4. Antimatter
  5. Air/Oxygen
  6. Ultraviolet Light
  7. Gravity
  8. Infrared
  9. Mind
  10. Emotions
  11. Quantum Particles
  12. The Entire Universe

We develop more respect for life once we realize how small and limited we truly are. “Even fools are thought wise when they keep silent; with their mouths shut, they seem intelligent.” Pro 17:28

@rock9361 You are projecting again, and showing no interest in what we really think. I again ask you, are you really interested in knowing what we think?


I like this:



Which god?

Bad idea, some of them are pretty fucked up.

1of5 Level 8 Apr 5, 2019

Why would it ever be advisable to live under a false assumption?


I believe the opposite. You should be good to others because it is the right thing to do, not because you might burn in hell otherwise. With God you are allowed to do whatever you want as long as you apologize before you die.


Total crap!


Pretty damn old argument. Pascal's Wager is the name of it. Stupid as all shit.


I think that even if you believe in a big man that sits on the clouds, it's your responsibility to not be an asshole.


What always struck me about Pascal's Wager (and people touched upon it below) is that the "logic" behind it would suggest you should believe in every god anyone ever believed in (or could believe in) "just in case" any of them are true, as to not jeopardize your afterlife. But as Hitchens said, there could be a god and no afterlife...or an afterlife and no god...or a trickster god that punishes good people...etc., etc.

The list of things you COULD believe in to cover your eternal a$$ is very, very long, and nearly all of which is mutually contradictory.

Besides, "believing" something just-in-case doesn't sound like a genuine belief to me in any case. No one would think jumping off a building would be a smart bet just-in-case The Force is real and the Jedi will save you from certain death, and then save the world because that's just the kind of thing they would do.

Well laid out


Since half of the ten commandments are about worshiping god, as are 3 out of 4 of the pillars of Islam, I'd say no, I don't see any value in living my life according to their rules.


Welcome to the site William. People do not need a god to be good. The golden rule is a concept made by humans for humans. Gods are just relics of the past: born out of ignorance, fear, and superstition.


It might be even better to believe god is just the universe, and that the the universe hates you and is trying to kill you at every turn. I'm sure believing this would make the world as it is make much more sense, and maybe motivate you to solve problems to defend yourself against this hostile universe.

Unfortunately the universe doesn't hate us. It just doesn't care. At all. Which always gives us the hope of solving all of our potential problems, and near certainty that ultimately we won't be able to.

I don't know, sometimes I think the universe does hate me, honestly I do.

@David1955 Lawrence Krauss made a comment (in a video somewhere on youtube, but I can't remember which one) where he said that it is odd that Intelligent Design proponents never tell us to quit cancer research because the cancer has been designed to kill us.


i think it's crap. first of all, which god? zeus? baldur? it is advisable to live as if you are a human among many humans among many animals among many living things among many elements on a delicate planet in a big universe. gods are at best useless and at worst destructive. live without regard for whether or not there are any gods.



Pascals wager.


I think that if that means living a good life and treating others with kindness, compassion, and respect, then that's not a bad way to live.

I live like that, a good life, and I don't care about gods. Why relate it to a god? Is it that agnostics cannot live a good life?

@Merseyman1 I don't see why they can't. I'm an atheist, but that's how I try to live. Too many people are wrapped up in the nonsense that you can't live a good and moral life without religion. Sad that they can't see beyond their own biases.


Which God? Should we believe in Zeus “just in case”. How about Ra? Allah? Oh geez what if I follow the wrong one????


I think that's a religious bunch of b.s. If you don't believe in god, in the end if there is one he will forgive you for not believing in whatever he/she/it is and you're in.
What irks me the most are people who say they are GOD FEARING. WTF does that mean? He is to be feared? For what reason? I thought the general belief is god is love and forgiveness. So how can they be fearful of him? Do not understand.


I don't need a religion or god to be a good person. I'm not the best, but I do good without a thought of an afterlife. At least I don't condemn a baby to hellfire if it isn't baptized.


This is a form of Pascal's wager.


Based on the assumption that any God is so stupid that it wouldn't know you were faking it. It's not like gods are omnipotent or omniscient or anything. If there's anyone you can pull wool over their eyes, it's a God. Yes sir.


That's horseshit. Easy one. Anything else? 🤓


As an extra comment here.
If, as the o.p. states, " it is advisable to live your life as if there is a God" then logically it is also condoning, promoting and advising, etc, they we ALL should behave as would this Abrahamic God, i.e. decide to send forth a massive flood and wipe out every living person save a few, commit genocide on neighbouring peoples and nations, commit rape and pillage with immunity, capture, keep and breed and sell slaves, etc, etc, the list is almost endless so I won't bother even trying to write the whole thing.
But I will add this, NO thanks, I'll stay a decent, Heathen Atheist, a Humanitarian and Humanist, etc, rather than following in the footsteps of an Imaginary, Vile, Genocidal, Ego-centric, Psychopathic, Socio-pathic Dictatorial Tyrant.


IMHO, pure and unadulterated BULLSHIT. Live each day as if it were your last, be good to yourself, kind and considerate towards others, take from life and nature no more than you truly need and ALWAYS give more than you take, that's the motto I do my darnedest to abide by.


The ruling ideas of a society are the rules of the ruling class. Karl Marx

Actually it was "the ruling ideas of a society are the ideas of the ruling class"


That sounds like fear based living and horrible advise.

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