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LINK Megachurch Pastor Robert Jeffress: ‘There’s No Such Thing As Separation Of Church And State’ | Michael Stone

Keep in mind that virtually every theocracy has committed violence and often murdder against its won citizens.

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He needs to go back to school.

Are you sure he ever went to school in the first place?

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In a manner he’s correct, the religionists have taken control of a large amount of politics.

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"Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's; and unto God the things that are God's."

  • Jesus in support of the separation of church and state -

Christians have wrestled with this one of the most clever lawyer answers in the Bible. Matthew should have shouted "ZING!" when he apparently heard Jesus say this to the Pharisees. (Matthew 22:21.5, "Then Matthew shouted, like an idiot, "Zing!" and "Damn, put some olive balm on that BURN!" )

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He is somewhat right but where he is it is only accident. Here is a video I made about it.

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"There is no such thing as a separation of church and state in the Constitution…"
Nonsense! The First Amendment's establishment clause says the opposite. Congress which was the branch of government that was supposed to set policy by passing laws shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion. The following clause cements the concept: or prohibiting the free exercise thereof. Government simply is to stay out of the business of religion, and the churches were effectively not to dominate or control government. Explanations and Supreme Court rulings concerning these clauses have used the phrase "separation of church and state" which informs us of what the intent of the Founding Fathers was.

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Well I'm an Ordained Priest and say there's only space inside Robert's head. Theocracy has been demonstrated time and time again to be an evil. Our Founders were largely Deists and wrote a secular document. Jefferson wanted no mention of a Deity but Adams convinced him it was necessary for passage so he wrote "Their Creator" in compromise. That's the only indication of divinity at all. Their private correspondence was openly critical of Christian theory so Jeffress is just wrong.

I agree. "Their Creator" is about as obscure a reference to deity as could be made especially considering the time. If Jefferson or the Founders wanted to create a Christian document in either the Declaration of Indepdndence or the Constitution, they were certainly educated enough to include the name of Jesus Christ or terms like Christianity, God, or the Lord to make clear this intent. Since they don't include these terms anywhere in these documents, it is a huge stretch to claim it is what the Gounding Fathers meant.

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Oh no, yet ANOTHER outbreak of the Rabies of Religions.
Grasping a straws, imo, in the vain hope of retaining a life of outlandish luxury and power at the expense of Peace, Freedom and the Advancement of Human kind.
sadly, the State and Religion became bed-fellows when the 3 main Abrahamic Belief systems spread like a cancer throughout human kind as anyone with a touch of historical knowledge knows full well enough.
Not satiated enough with merely feasting on the minds and daily lives of the peoples of Europe, for example, the Catholic Church, which, at the time held all the reins, set its sights and verminous fangs upon becoming the Dominant Power to end ALL powers, thus infiltrating itself into every aspect of whatever form of government, etc, it could.
From then on, the dream of State and Church/Religion separation became, most regrettably, what we have to this day, i.e. a 'Pipe Dream.'
But, having said that, 'Pipe Dreams' do, occasionally, have a habit of becoming a reality.

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Thomas Jefferson, writing to James Madison, 2/20/1784, “…life is of no value but as it brings us gratifications. Among the most valuable of these is rational society."
"Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities.” Voltaire
As president, Adams signed the famous Treaty of Tripoli, which boldly stated, “[T]he government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion….”

Jefferson on religion, as told too J.Adams:

Jefferson once famously observed to Adams, “And the day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the supreme being as his father in the womb of a virgin, will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter.”

When Adams signed the treaty that ended the threat of the Barbary Pirates, he had made mention that the U.S.A. "...is not in any sense, founded on the Christian religion...."

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Roger Williams, the founder of Rhode Island, wanted church & state to be seperate because he didn't want the church to be polluted by the state.

I think the absolute reverse should have been the main concern.

It was a concern in both directions. Madison, was concerned the state would corrupt the church, while Jefferson (or was it Adams) thought the church would corrupt the state.

i don't think they were aware of the idea tht power itself corrupts. You know ht old Proverb/axiom that "Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely." It only came into existence in the 18th century and it took a while to be widely kown and used.

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WRONG! Of course there IS a thing. It is one of the FUNDAMENTAL precepts of the founding father's little document called the CONSTITUTION.

But, as we all know and realise, religion/s can and do twist and contort almost anything and everything to suit themselves.

@Triphid I didn't read the article first time through, but now have. The freedom of religion in the constiturion is the right to have free religious choice or not practice at all, this is basic teaching for new citizens and students. He has probably been out of school too long. Either that or, yes, he is just trying to escape a basic reality of how our gov is meant to function.

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Technically he is correct. Our Constitution has no part that says there must be a separation of Church and State. However it does forbid Government from creating State a religion, and there can be no religious test for office.

Above provisions combine to create a defacto separation of church and State.

The Constitution, he wrote, would “restore to man all his natural rights.” In this same letter, Jefferson explained the intent of the Establishment Clause and Free Exercise Clause of the First Amendment to the Constitution, which reads: “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting ...

@Cutiebeauty Lawyers and Judges have allowed the "Prohibiting" part to become twisted into a question. That gives them something to argue about (which pays the bills) but the Clause seems pretty clear to me. They wanted the government to be free from religious infection.

That is why you have to consider intent when considering the law. They had to pass freedom of religion, but also had to appease those who held strong religious beliefs. From the letters and writings of many foundign fathers, they intended the government to be secular in nature.

@Cutiebeauty Yes, but letters do not constitute law, although it does establish intent. Last, depending on which Supreme Court member voices opinion, the intent that person reads into the letter can be very different.

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Bullshit that's why founding fathers made sure to avoid that

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If he doesn't like the US, then move to russia.

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I will gladly pay for him to move to Iran!

Or the most religious nation on earth.... North Korea

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Jeffress and others interpret the Constitution they same way they interpret the Bible. Whatever way they want.

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Do you think there is any room in the local phsyc ward for him?

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The last time I was in a Church (long story) Obama was still president.
From what was said, Church is God this and God that and that's why things are bad because of the policies of Obama, repeat until it's time to leave.
It is this lack of awareness of a line of separation that pissed off George Washington when he stopped going to church after hearing a sermon about how Government should be run by the minister.
They resent their obsessive opinions aren't given the weight that their emotions say they deserve.
Screw them.

George Washington was an Anglican. He always left the service before communion.
James Madison thought the government shouldn't pay for Army chaplains.
And congress met in session on christmas day until 1842.

Isn't it funny that these spamgelicals, when a repuglican ('g' intended) is president, quote verses about the powers-that-be are ordained of god seem to forget those verses when democrats hold the office?

@HumanistJohn We didn't see much of that respect for the office they keep mentioning now that the Beast is in office.

That's so damn typical.
They ignore the admonition of jesus in their little holy book that speaks of people pointing out a speck in someone's eye while ignoring the beam in their own. That's not one of the verses they cherry pick.

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Don't even THINK about it....Nimrod!

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Read the friggin Constitution you pious moron!!!!!

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That idiot pastor needs to read the U.S. Constitution.

Very few people even go that far. They just listen to the preacher at church.

@DenoPenno

And THAT’S why the tax exempt status needs revoked.

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