@icolan what makes it a "scientific valid concept?" do you know its origins? Remember this was in the 17 and 18 hundreds and you know how "scientific" they were at that time..lol

Racial anthropology
Further information: Physical anthropology § History, and Historical race concepts

Blumenbach's five races.
Blumenbach's work included his description of sixty human crania (skulls) published originally in fascicules as Decas craniorum (Göttingen, 1790–1828). This was a founding work for other scientists in the field of craniometry. He divided the human species into five races in 1779, later founded on crania research (description of human skulls), and called them (1793/1795):

the Caucasian or white race. Blumenbach was the first to use this term for people of European origin, believing that the people of the Caucasus were the most beautiful of the world.[2]
the Mongolian or yellow race, including all East Asians and some Central Asians.
the Malayan or brown race, including Southeast Asian and Pacific Islanders.
the Ethiopian or black race, including sub-Saharan Africans.
the American or red race, including American Indians.
Further anatomical study led him to the conclusion that 'individual Africans differ as much, or even more, from other Africans as from Europeans'.

Blumenbach argued that physical characteristics like skin color, cranial profile, etc., depended on geography, diet, and mannerism.

Like other monogenists such as Georges-Louis Leclerc, Comte de Buffon, Blumenbach held to the "degenerative hypothesis" of racial origins. Blumenbach claimed that Adam and Eve were Caucasian inhabitants of Asia (see Asia hypothesis),[12] and that other races came about by degeneration from environmental factors such as the sun and poor diet. Thus, he claimed, Negroid pigmentation arose because of the result of the heat of the tropical sun, while the cold wind caused the tawny colour of the Eskimos, and the Chinese were fair-skinned compared to the other Asian stocks because they kept mostly in towns protected from environmental factors. He believed that the degeneration could be reversed in a proper environmental control and that all contemporary forms of man could revert to the original Caucasian race.[13]

@icolan just like a European culturalist... the past means nothing and has no connection to your glorious future which by the way in unknown and unknowable.. take care icolan

@TheMiddleWay if i didn't use them, most folks won't know what the hell I'm talking about because they have been so enculturated.. as an example, your response..

@TheMiddleWay it wasn't just on craniology, there's religious, cultural ideologies, anatomy and social theory all mixed in there together.. SKCell evolved from geological disposition and ALL people in the topics didn't develop the disease. However, and you won't believe me, because as I've found out over the years, this statement doesn't support Euro science or cultural ideology; but ALL people from the geo region we call Africa do share a deep seeded cultural kinship.. Tell me why didn't the African, who has been on the planet as human beings pretty much forever, develop the mechanical precision of the ballet? However, all Africans share in their rhythms of Nature in dance and ideas of communal-ism as opposed to the Euro idea of individualism.

@icolan ideas of race are social theories...now just like 'power" allows you to change meanings to suit your political climate doesn't alter it's original purpose. for example, the usage of the word "white and Black' to refer to this idea of race is antiquated with the advent of those very things you mentioned, DNA, biology, genetics, "miscegenation" however we still use the words, why? Because it suit the Europeans political, cultural, economic and social purpose..

@TheMiddleWay black

@TheMiddleWay The difficultly is if you ask the ethnicity of third generation Indian, Hispanic or Anglo-Celtic Americans what they relate to culturally. Most likely the same but racial they are different due to physicality.

@TheMiddleWay sounds like an interesting study. ? Good luck

@TheMiddleWay
Exactly... <I think>

@maturin1919 they don't even matter that much, most of people are mixed, just some really idiots care about being part of a pure ethnicity.
I can look more like white but for real with all this mixing, what are my ethnicity?

@maturin1919 So you can say by yor definition I am hispanic ethnicity (Brazil has lots of difference from spannsh america but it counts). And about race... I really do not know.

@TheMiddleWay duh. Didn't answer the question: why the hell do you want this information?

@TheMiddleWay "White" is neither race nor ethnicity.

@TheMiddleWay My census answer would be "Other" - "European".

@TheMiddleWay and you think, what, that the overwhelming response to this post has been positive?

@TheMiddleWay ah, so it's just quantity that counts. I see. Really set on reaching L9 aren't you?
Well, I qualify things a little differently.

@TheMiddleWay Just what do you consider white, I'm a Scot and a beed apart from the english. I'm a Celt they ate anglo/saxon.

@maturin1919 That's like clubbing together parrots and frogs, well they are both green. You need to study genetics and evolution. Skin colour changes as peoples migrate. Earliest briton found was black.

@TheMiddleWay True

@TheMiddleWay Human is "Other" and also my official answer to the US census. The subject of racial and ethnic classifications is steeped in corrupt entitlement politics, and it surprises me that someone of your great personal accomplishments is so obsessed by it.

I am reminded of the example of the late great colonial administrator of Hong Kong, Sir John James Cowperthwaite. He refused to compile GDP statistics arguing that such data was not useful to managing an economy and would lead to officials meddling in the economy. He was once been asked what the key thing that poor countries could do to improve their growth. He replied: “they should abolish the office of national statistics.” I feel the same about data about race and ethnic origins; we are much better off without it.

@TheMiddleWay "great personal accomplishments" referred to your accomplishments in physics, not this topic. "obsessed" is my own perhaps overstatement, since you have posted on this topic more than once.

This "community", if one can call it that, is dramatically skewed in a number of ways. It seems to me that there are far more atheists than agnostics, and far more people on the political left than the right. I haven't taken a survey but it seems to me that the average age of participants is over 50. And probably there are more Americans than other nationalities participating. All of those community statistical characteristics are noteworthy, but do not call for remedial action.

And neither is the ethnic or racial characteristics of the people participating here a fit subject for any remedial action, which I have seen suggested, although not yet by you. If people of any race or ethnic group want to participate they are welcome, and if they don't want to participate they are also free to make that choice.

So it seems surprising to me that you think that a person's race or ethnic classification is important enough to spend your very valuable time investigating, as though it were an important defining characteristic of a person, instead of a minor accident of birth.

How is it nonsensical to ask what race someone is? You admit that it’s a cultural delineation. How does that invalidate anything? By that logic, asking what culture someone identifies with is a nonsensical question.