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I had a trully upsetting and shocking experience today. I just feel so angry about it. I have two students of afro-carribean descent. I'll call them Julie and Tommy. Julie is from a rather well to do family from London. She speaks in very pronounced English and is a lovely, kind intelligent woman. Tommy (my fav...shush) is a 21 year second generation Nigerian from Manchester. They are fab students and I am proud of them both. They are just coming to the end of an 11 week placement where they have been racially abused every day. Called the N word, monkeys, asked if their hair was real or if people could touch their skin. Julie was even asked why she speaks so posh as N...... don't talk like that! I almost cried when she told me. She said for the first time in her life she wished she wasn't black! I am just trying to process this. Obviously they have been pulled off that placement and official processes will now take place but I having been trying to understand what I felt. I just realised it's guilt. I am so sorry. Julie said she had never experienced this in multi-ethnic London, I hate that anyone would think this is normal for the north of England. I feel terrible that my student got told to leave a country that she was born in. That people are so ignorant and so cruel. You know what, she even tried to defend them. I am so sorry for what we did...when I say we...I mean us, the white anglo saxon Europeans. We did this. Both these guys are heading for very high class degrees. Tommy particularly is very bright. I am disgusted that he was told the only things black lads can do is play football or box. (His ethics assignment got 93%!) I am white, ginger, professional and I suppose reasonably priveldged. However for the first time in my life I trully feel angry by how damaging racism is. I would appreciate your thoughts because all I want to do is cry.

Amisja 8 Mar 7
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So sad. This is why the Black Lives Matter movement is important.

Its not really a movement here. Its not something I have encountered before. Trully. My home town is very diverse. Just struggling with it

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I have no words of wisdom but I am appalled at how humans treat one another over something as silly as skin color. We appreciate animals of varying colors but not our own species....

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I'm sorry for the pain this is causing you and the kids, IMO a lot of this is being brought to a boil by the trump effect and I'm afraid it is not going away soon enough for me.

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Shocking...and yet I’m not really surprised. In the areas away from the large metropolitan areas, where there are very many less black and ethnic minority people than you would find in any of the bigger cities, the amount of racism is high. I think it’s always been there, but it wasn’t always so obvious before the Brexit Referendum. The leave campaign seemed to unleash a flood of repressed racists....it was as though they were just waiting for permission to vent their ideas of hatred and bigotry. This government are not in control of anything, and the Police Commissioner has just stated that funding cuts are affecting the ability of the police to prevent and prosecute crime. I’m sure raciallly motivated crime is hugely on the increase, but the chance of the authorities getting to grips with it, especially preventing and countering it, is remote at present. Sad for people such as your students.

This is a reasonably diverse part of UK. The NW always had a good reputation. This has shocked me to the core

@Amisja It didn’t come from nowhere...it was just lying dormant...Brexit has brought it to life!

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I honestly don't understand it either. It's truly mind boggling to me how people can discriminate others based on their skin color. Something that is literally determined by the sun and how close your ancestors were to it. It's an adaptation, nothing more.

Those colours are so beautiful aren't they?

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The "I hate you because you're different from me" attitude is the inner working of a small, ignorant mind revealing its fears and insecurities. Consider the source and dismiss it for what it is; the verbal diarrhea of an idiot.

These people and their stupidity are beneath the rest of us. Don't give them the power to upset you.

Unfortunately it can't be dismissed. This was a healthcare environment and as such are overseen by a public body.

@Amisja I understand this happened in a professional environment and there's likely going to be HR involvement. My advice was meant for you personally since you referenced crying and being upset by their behavior.

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The ameriKKKan Racist Approach had been Exported to Other Countries. People act Surprised when I tell My Story that I didn't Learned Meaning of the Word Nigger until I was 27 Years Old. We Live in Such a Sad World... Mankind is Doomed.

I hope not Mr Gipsy

I'm curious why you would blame the USA for racism in the UK. The English were involved in the African slave trade 40 years before there were any English colonies in the USA. It seems like (if anything) the English should be blamed for racism in the USA:

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@Gooniesnvrdie ,
divide & conquer. trump is succeeding with it.

@Amisja I don't know if we are doomed, but, here, in the states, racism has been on the rise once again. It disgusts me. "Everyone" says one step at a time, but that isn't working. Those at the top need to be held accountable.

As a teacher, in some cases, and I do not take pride in my actions, but if I saw bullying, especially racist bullying I spoke up. And if nothing was done, and I could, I hate to say this, but I bullied the bullies. I am sure it did worse things in the world of Karma if such a thing exists. I am proud of the times I stood up. I am proud of my students who thanked me. I am proud of their achievements.

Sorry for what you are seeing. Another one of those no simple answers for a complex problem.

@Gooniesnvrdie I am Puertorrican, Born and Raised in the Island. I never been Racist toward Mexicans... Why Would I? When I visited England with the Navy... I wasn't white or black, I was simply what I was... a Representative from the West Indies. I learned from My European GFs that there is no white, yellow, red or black skinned... Only in ameriKKKa. I dildn't learned the meaning of the word Nigger until being 27 and in US Navy Boot Camp... But You Speak as a True Apolologist that see Racism Everywhere so... Can't be that Bad... Thank You for Representing AmeriKKKan Racism as a Normality. Here it is... EXHIBIT "A".

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Though racism is very much alive, it is my belief that is is dying a slow death. It is the people like you with empathy and compassion that's gonna play an important role in the necessary changes coming about. Thanks for sharing this experience here.

Unity Level 7 Mar 7, 2019

Thank you.

I thought it was dying out until trump and on my good days, I still believe it and tell myself it is just a dying gasp but as time goes on, I become less hopeful about it dying out.

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The ONLY thing any of us can do is call it out when we witness it.
Influence the people in our lives as much as possible.
Refuse to accept it, and make those we catch acting that way, feel as
terrible as possible about it.
Shame them for being assholes.
Use your anger. Channel it into not remaining silent.

Oh I spent 6 hours writing up reports and collecting evidence. It might mean the nursing home gets closed down if they believe it is endemic.

@Amisja Dust off your resume and brush up your interview skills. Just in case.

I read somewhere that an effective way to handle racists, sexist, homophobic comments/jokes was to feign a lack of understanding and ask the speaker to elaborate as to what they meant.

Keep pretending to not understand until they either admit their motivation or become embarrassed.

If only I could remember to do this rather than lose my shit and call them dicks

@Lucy_Fehr Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. It is a really good strategy.
Too bad I don't have the patience for it.

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maybe the fact that they were doing so well on the course had something to do.

What do you mean?

@Amisja ,
maybe the other students couldn't handle the fact that people they like to think are inferior get better marks than them so they try to put them down.

@callmedubious You misunderstand. These were students on a clinical placement. The people being abusive were patients and some of the HCAs.

@Amisja omg!

@Amisja , you're right i misunderstood.

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It's terrible. Our current political situation, with Brexit over there and Trump over here seems to be making people feel justified voicing these racist views. It's such a step backwards.

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It's is horrible the way some people behave. I have come upon racism myself. As I am originally from Europe but live in Australia. I speak with a slight Scandinavian accent and sometimes at work when people call they want to speak to an Australian they say, they want to speak to my supervisor or someone higher up. Well I don't fall for that, I straight away pull them up about their racist remarks and ask them if they are Aborigines to have a right to question my nationality, most of them just hang up, some start swearing but they I end the call.

"ask them if they are Aborigines to say and act like that"
Is that a joke or are you a racist?

@jerry99 Sorry I did not write it the way it should have been written. You can disapprove about someones nationality if you are an Aborigine all others come from somewhere else. Just like you, unless you are a native Indian, you to come from somewhere else and should not ask someone in a derogatory way if they belong or not.

@Jolanta I have a cousin in Australia,born there, and he is a lovely fellow but maybe I have been a bit unlucky in some other Australians I have met. The term "well balanced, a chip on each shoulder" fitted them perfectly.I met a couple recently and the woman went on at length in derogatory terms about the "ten pound Poms" I should have asked her how many generations her family went back. To Botany bay possibly? but I thought that would be unkind.

@Moravian Sometimes one has to be unkind to get the penny to drop. You did well.

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Unfortunately it is so because we do not know or take time to know each other. When we intermingle, when we take time to sit down and talk, we see that we are not that different, that we want the same things, to belong, to be loved, to be able to bring up our families, to work at a job that pays us at least a living wage, to feel like we are contributing, to feel like we matter. But when we have forces that try to divide us with lies, then it is extra difficult................

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Unfortunately, for those of us in the US the disgust and shame you now feel towards your less enlightened countrymen as well as the anger is an every day occurrence. There have always been ignorant racists here, but in the past three years they've become emboldened and take pride in being lowlife scumbags.

JimG Level 8 Mar 7, 2019
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That is very sad but in my experience of working in England there is a hard core of "little Englanders " who have been supressed for some time but with Brexit and the rise of "populism" they are becoming more confident and outspoken. We have some in Scotland too and they include the English in their list of people to hate.

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and people will say "why don't blacks achieve as much?" This is why... minorities and those perceived as different are systematically beaten down from childhood in small and large ways.

I'm sorry they suffered that. I hope they rise above it and take their places wherever THEY choose to be. I hope they succeed and never look back and most of all I hope their children never suffer that abuse.

These are highly motivated high performing students. They will do well. Just a shame they experienced this.

@Amisja I agree... I see things like this and it just sets me on fire.

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As someone of Asian descent, I've always found that my experiences tend to be different from those of my friends who are of European descent (I do have diverse friends, always have). When they discuss travel, especially to Europe, I hear things that don't match with my own experiences. I've had racist comments hurled at my face by total strangers, especially in the Netherlands. I have many relatives in the Netherlands. They have been there for 50-60 years, some were born there. They all speak fluent Dutch (my dad's generation spoke Dutch as a first language). My relatives are successful professionals (though many are retired now). Yet, they are treated as second class citizens at times, such as being served last though they have been waiting in queue earlier than others (I did actually see that myself). When I was a graduate student, I had a fellow grad student friend who's of Japanese descent but Canadian born. We were discussing our experiences in Amsterdam. She told me she had a group of young black men shout racist insults at her.

I grew up in a diverse multi-cultural community where someone's skin colour or ethnicity didn't matter. I had friends of all backgrounds and we didn't notice that we were any different. We were all just Canadian kids. Oftentimes, I don't even notice what someone's skin colour or ethnicity is (until someone ultimately reminds me I need to treat different people differently). Someone on this site called me "colour blind", and that is supposedly not a good thing. But I can't help that. I treat everyone as they treat me. I help anyone who needs help no matter who or what they are. I am not naive and unaware of the social/political/economic issues that relate to race and class. After all, I am educated in Anthropology, Sociology, Criminology, History, etc. I've worked pretty closely with indigenous communities as well.

The experiences of those students of yours are probably similar to mine (though may be much more severe and frequent for them). Growing up where we were and highly educated as we are, we just never expect to be singled out for racist comments. We grew up among people who didn't make our race an issue, then we go out to other environments, and we are shocked that some people would throw racist comments in our faces.

But racism isn't a one way street either. My relatives can be very racist towards persons of African/Carribean descent (it was interesting when I dated a couple of such individuals). My auntie came to my parents' anniversary party last year, and she said she didn't like London because "there are too many black people now". I was so disgusted at her. I wear my "colour blindness" with pride. I don't care.

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Tell them their best revenge is to succeed at what they are striving for. I am one person rooting for them. I have students of all colors, backgrounds, etc. That makes me feel so free. Please give them hugs for me.

Thank you. They will suceed. It just shouldn't be like this, they are learning to be nurses...to care for others.

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This story just breaks my heart. Do what you can, when you can. That is all we can do. There are good people out there too. We need to speak our minds and drown those bigots out until their voices are so small that nobody can hear them. I wish I could hug and console your students. ❤️

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Not being a Brit, I do not know what you mean when you say, "I am white, ginger, ...." What the hell is "ginger"?
Other than that, I don't see an end to racism anytime soon.
My first serious girlfriend (in the U.S. Army), was 1/2 white but I was unaware of that (she looked and passed for the most part as white and I did not really care. However, some of the white solders took it upon themselves to inform me that she was Black. "You do know she is Black", etc., as if, if I knew, I would break it off with her. Things did not work out...I as at a very bad point in my life and the relationship did not progress (my fault, not hers), and we made no plans to stay together when I was discharged. Things have come full circle and my son is engaged to be married to a real nice (intelligent as hell, very involved in bettering the world), Black girl.

Ginger=person with red hair

Awww we need pics when they marry. My sister is mixed race. Her one boy has a white dad her youngest's Dad is black. Her current chap is white. They are family.

@Amisja Brothers and Sisters = Family. My Brothers and Sisters = MY FAMILY. There are two other Light Skinned Sisters not in picture.

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To me, that is sickening stereo-typing to say the least.
I was 'adopted' by Australian Aboriginal rite and lore with the agreement of my father when I was 13 years old by a very well respected and old Aboriginal friend and his wife.
Jack and Mary, my adoptive Aboriginal parents, had 2 sons and a daughter and ONE major rule in their household, NO Alcohol what-so-ever which both boys broke and were consequently asked to leave the family, young Virginia, " GinGin" as she called herself as a child, is a very brilliant, clever and highly intelligent person who, despite the hassles, etc, etc, has gained numerous degrees in Science and now holds a very prestigious position in a Scientific Research Organisation here in Australia.
My sister still calls herself Gin-Gin and still calls me the albino Brolga, the brolga being a native bird and known as the 'native companion' btw. Both Jack and Mary decided to give me the name Brolga because, like the bird, I had long, skinny legs and was always shuffling them around similar to how the birds 'dance.'
No matter the skin coloration or ethnicity, there should be NO precise little 'boxes' for anyone to made fit into, we can and SHOULD be allowed to strive for and reach our OWN fullest potential.

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I feel your pain. It is just too easy now-a-days, to say things without wondering if this/that person will be offered. When I grew up, I was considered ‘poor white trash,’ but it was subdued and by adulthood, I had a decent sense of myself. But, people in my early adult years (back then) seem to show more respect for other people. However, only 50-60 yrs later, there seems to be blatant disregard, for people, in general! And it gets worse, if you are different in some obvious way. Maybe a large segment of any population, lacks empathy! At least, it appears so, here in the US.

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This is so painful and sad. As a military brat, I was raised in what I call a mini UN, type of environment, and feel this is what helped me form my views of other people. There were, black, brown, Asian, Indian, every type of people you could imagine. My parents were also very open minded and taught me that racism is an awful way to go through life. I look at behavior before anything else. I keep hoping one day the world will stop all this hatred simply because of the color of a person's skin. Please give a hug to your students from me.?

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Nobody is born a racist.

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Why are they the ones having to leave?

That is adding extreme unfairness to what they have already endured.

Especially if they are so close to the end of the assignment.

End of the placement, plus it is usual practice to pull students out of placements for safeguarding concerns.

They will pass

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