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if there is not God, I would like to know where did everything come from? it's a very simple question. Can someone give me a scientific answer? Some people say that everything comes from matter. but where did matter come from?

Francesco108 4 July 2
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I don’t have to know the answers to everything.there is a lot of knowledge that people haven’t figured out yet. Just because I can’t explain something doesn’t mean it must be magic.

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maybe all we see or seem is but a dream within a dream...E.A. Poe.

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if there IS a god then where did god come from?

do you have access to a library? there are lots of books in the science section to explain how much we do and do not know about where matter came from. remember, though, that just because we don't know everything doesn't mean there's a god.

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That's an excellent question, one EVERY human being has asked herself or himself since we first were able to think of things other than survival and procreation.
The religious variant is, "Where did GOD come from?!? Yes, I know, he, she, or it was ALWAYS there.
Huh? How is THAT possible?
That's why they call it a mystery. Maybe someday we'll figure it out; in the meantime...it's a bitch, aint it???

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If you don't know, why not just say "i don't know." There are so many things we don't know, so why would one need to invent a god to justify that it created everything? And, who created that god? Another more powerful god that came from nothing? And who created that more powerful god? You can go questioning yourself ad infinitum without ever reaching an answer. But, for starters, read "A Universe from Nothing: Why There Is Something Rather than Nothing" by physicist and cosmologist Lawrence Krauss. oh, and a suggestion, if you want a serious discussion on the subject, never say "some people," because you'll also get "some people" answers. Name or quote at least one scientist who said that something.

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"A fool can ask more questions than a wise man can answer."

You ask where everything came from. If it came from something else then it would not be everything. Your question makes no sense.

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"God" is a man made concept. There is no god, no heaven, no hell, no devil only our natural world. The Big Bang started it all.

A big bang is theorized based upon observed background radiation and the speed of our expanding universe....tell the troll @Francesco108 to g. f. h. s.

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By entering God into the structure of this question is a deceiving device. It implies that everything either came from ‘God’ or it didn’t.

Is, then, your question ‘Did God make everything?’ The rest of the post is irrelevant.

To get to grips with the question you will need to define what God is. Please give a short summary as to what you propose God is in order to give the question context. Without this the question could equally be phrased ‘Did my mum make everything?’

When you say ‘everything’ I am assuming you mean the fundamental particles brought forward by a potential Prime Mover.

This is the fundamental question raised by all manner of people from the time man contemplated himself and considered that his actions were aimed toward a meaningful teleology.

The answer that has tumbled down the ages, once the religious components of the question have been extracted is, we don’t know, although physics is coming closer to realistic suggestions I believe.

We must remember though, you can’t catch the horizon. It will always outrun you.

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Nobody knows.

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One of the big problems is trying to discover what lies beyond the universe (ie pre big bang) using only tools from within the universe.

It's a bit like trying to open a locked box with the key that's locked inside the box.

That is one of the misnomers that laymen often ask. "ie. pre-big bang". Because there was (according to my understanding) no pre. The dimension of time only came about at the point. There may have well have been other dimensions created then too but have since ceased to be.

@273kelvin OK smart ass, then beyond not pre ;p where did the big bang come from? What lies beyond it? What's the explanation of where itself came from. Truth is, it's a valid question. We don't know. We might know where matter and time came from. But we don't know the cause and reason if any at all of the universe. And the hypothesis of abrahamic religions is self contradictory, total BS, fabrication without à shred of evidence or even internal consistency. That's also right

@273kelvin that's why I said 'lies beyond', rather than 'comes before'. It's 'outside' of the space/time continuum that we currently inhabit.
This is exactly what I'm getting at: it's very difficult to describe things outside the universe using language that was created inside it.

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Crosby Stills & Nash said it long ago - we are star dust. A star that formed right after the big bang event exploded and our star resulted from that material, or our star may have been created from virgin material. At any rate, and this is important, matter cannot be created or destroyed. Energy is neither created nor destroyed. All of the matter and energy in the universe have simply always been. Period. It can be a tough concept to understand but once you do understand, it just puts to rest the entire mystery. The bible would have you believe that once, there was nothing. That is simply not possible. It is inconsistent with the laws of physics. Everything is in a constant state of change. Nothing stays the same. Futurama did an episode (I believe this was the plot) where the guy that loves the one-eyed woman screwed up and lost her, and so the entire remaining time of this go-around of the universe (until the stars all went out, all matter recoalesed, and another big bang occurred) took place and when his chance came up again, he kept making the same or similar mistake, until he got it right and got her back after several cycles of universes had elapsed. I think its likely the cycles will and do occur, and who says this is the first cycle, but I doubt the events will repeat like shown in that episode. Closing point: matter has just always existed. Now go to bed! Lol

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We don’t know ... but we gain better and better answers through science ‘

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As Carl Sagan jests, because it’s true, ‘We are stardust.’ Life began on this planet as single celled organisms. Chlorophyll was a huge leap - plants can make their own food, and build their trunks and branches, leaves and flowers, from sunlight, water and minerals from the soil (former rock and composted former living things, plus a boatload of bacteria and fungi)
The stuff of every living thing is beholden to this genius ability of plants. Thanks to bacteria and fungi, after death, things that lived are recycled for all the constituent parts, to be rebuilt into new plants, which get eaten to build animals.
Actually all the non-living stuff created by humans is also built of minerals, elements, joined together in compounds. Some of our most prolific creations are made from the mineralized remains of plants (crude oil), like plastics. Our human made stuff has a harder time cycling back into the basic building blocks of living things, ready to be rebuilt into new beings (didn’t evolve with its own set of decomposers.) But nature recycles every single thing nature creates. Given enough time, way more time than our species has left, all our plastics will gradually weave their way into everything. ... Actually, that’s already happening. 😒

The troll is asking a false leading question presuming matter needed to be created by his alleged bible gawd.....matter can neither be created or destroyed....matter possesses the energy of atoms and sub atomic particles.....no bible verses in electron orbits or proton quark parts....I think the troll is attending Church of England cult activities and fondling his fetish bible hoping to convert an Atheist with his penis

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Just like you probably initially believed that there was God without proof, please try believing that "There is no God without proof." Any time anyone mentions to you that there is God, ask for the proof.

This will make your life easier and better. Don't think about God anymore and focus on all other good things in life.

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forget "everything", "where did god come from?" is a much more interesting and useless question if you need one. You ask for a scientific answer to counter a non-scientific presumption of everything coming from god. kinda weak.

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This ought to be interesting and informative(rubbing hands together)!!

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As far as we can tell all matter and energy existed at the big bang. Before that (if that is even a rational concept) physics breaks down as we know it.

So basically no one knows but sonfar as we can tell it has always existed in some form or another.

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If everything has to come from somewhere, where did god come from. Where did it get the matter used to create the universe.

For your scientific answer, you've got it backwards matter formed from a massive burst of energy frequently and erroneously called "The Big Bang." That is the beginning of everything in all likelihood.

That energy could have been the remnants of a collapsed previous universe, an inflationary expansion converting vacuum energy into matter, a 4-brane universe forming in higher dimensional space, or a tear I spacetime which bulged into a bubble universe from an older universe.

Science doesn't know the mechanism which created the universe, but scientists can admit that. They don't have to make up outlandish stories to pretend to possess knowledge that doesn't exist.

JimG Level 8 July 2, 2019

@Francesco108 That's because the only thing that exists is energy, and matter is just energy slowed down to such a degree that it can be seen as solid, liquid, gas, or plasma. There is nothing else. Your spiritual reality is a delusion you tell yourself to feel like you are somehow connected to the rest of the universe. Some of us don't need to lie to ourselves to feel that. We appreciate the universe for all that it is and recognize that we are just an unfathomably small speck of it.

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Trouble is that saying God did it is no explanation at all. If you are thinking of God as an object outside ourselves who creates things, you then have the question of where God came from.

Questions about time and creation are based on our shallow, illusory perception of reality as matter moving in space and time. From a cosmic perspective such questions are meaningless. The very concept of existence in its standard definition is not meaningful.

You are exhibiting courage and honesty by setting forth such a question. See “Reality is not What it Seems “ by Carlos Rovelli”.

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Astronomers, astrophysicists, and cosmologists are working on that question every day. A couple theories but more work needs to be done. TBD.

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Particles pop in and out of existence all the time. Right now, there are theories but we really don’t know where or what the beginning was. Just don’t assign it to god because we don’t know.

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The same place God would have come from.

That is, if there is God, where did He (She?) come from? Can you give me a scientific answer. No, screw that. Can you give me a religious answer?

@Francesco108 I think "Schmias" is the source of everything. I know this the same way you think god is the source of everything, someone told me. In fact Schmias created god. Can you give me any proof that says I'm wrong? I think we'll both agree that if there is no "scientific answer" (although there seems to be) then either you or I are right (or anyone else with an imaginary friend) and I'm going with me, everything came from Schmias.

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Not all questions can be answered, but because there is no proven answer that does not mean that any answer that someone can imagine, like god for example, is therefore by default the correct one. And since there are tens of thousands of such invented answers, it would be a very long shot to pick the right one, even if one of them was right.

@OwlInASack True, its just me giving everybody the benefit of the doubt as usual.

@OwlInASack Thank you, that is I have no doubt very good advice. I have not so far used the block, since being curious about what is out there is one of my main reasons for being here, and so far there have been no problems. Though I have been blocked once, but only by a very boring snob, for telling him he was a boring snob, sometimes I am a bit too hasty, but that is his loss. I think that this person left long before I posted the comment anyway, which is kind of sad because everyone should welcome exposure to alternative views even if they can't change their minds.

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It's all part of the universe.

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Sounds like this person doesn't realize it's not a simple question at all.

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