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Should the USA try to keep Muslims out of their country?

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Grecio 7 Nov 24
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Voted yes. If America wants to encourage Muslims to be in the US the religion will overtake Christianity by 2027 and we may no longer have the same freedoms because the word Islam means submission.
Already they do not assimilate, They separate and try to get public schools to devote time for the children to pray a couple times a day. This is how our children will be indoctrinated in order to not feel left out. [theguardian.com]
Of all the religions Muslims are very cult-ish and indifferent to women. Personally am against it. If it's prejudice so be it. Any religion anyways is on my hit list.

I agree with your point here - Islam is just Christianity on steroids..

Well said, my intelligent friend.

@EternalVagabond Well said.

I hear most of the Iranian population are secular, but their government got taken over by a radical muslim regime...that is what Im worried about for American government, but by radical christianists. That will be us but when a Christianist regime takes over our government.

And yet you are ready to violate the principle of first amendment so easily: alljw the government to create laws against religion. Don't you realize that this is how the radical Christians keep their strength in numbers to take over.

I'm not afriad of a minority of a few hundred thousand Muslims. They have zero power in America and they are vetted by our government. You are INSANE if you think they will convert 400 million Americans AND change America law in the process....by 2027! In 7 years!? It took the radical Christians 30 YEARS just to file a lawsuit challenging the federal pro-abortion law. Something tells me you have zero knowledge of performing reality-checks...

The biggest worry is keeping ALL religions out of government. Radical christians want to get rid of all religions because they are a threat to power. Christianity may appear more woman-friendly than islam now, but that'll change the minute our secular American government gets taken over by radical christians.

Radical Christianity is the BIGGEST threat to our American way of life and our democracy. I have zero fear of some immigrants with zero political or financial power who believe essentially the same things Christians do.

@MakeItGood You don't seem to argue logically, and seek me out for your vitriol and you resort to name calling. "You are INSANE " My info about Islam and 2027 came from an article included with the post. If you have some anger issues with THAT tell THEM about it. [theguardian.com] And stop following me around with your anger issues, see a therapist.

@MakeItGood You make some good points, of course. But look at Europe. All those immigrants are taking away Europe's identity. Fortunately, countries like Austria are beginning to deport them. What I am saying is the old Barney on AndyGriffith Show. "Nip it in the Bud". I like separation of church and state, even though there is probably no such thing with radical Christians. We, as secularists, don't push hard enough to keep religion out of politics, and I am as guilty as anyone, maybe more guilty. It should be a crime for the president or any congressperson to mention God. Pence says God talks to him. Every governing body where I live has an invocation that is a Jesus prayer to start a meeting. But Islam is against the separation of church and state. I say if you don't like separation of church and state, the leave.

@Grecio Hope you like Muslims enough to have them running our government because that is what they're doing in large numbers. Do not chastise me write to THEM and this was done 10 years ago. So advice being STFU and take it? /[muslimobserver.com] And FK this: [muslimobserver.com] . They say Sharia law is good for America. So suck it up.

Apparently logical argument with back up isn't what guys want to hear from women. I think he blocked me.

@Grecio "taking away Europe's identity" WTF does that mean?!

@AnneWimsey Take a look at Dearborn Michigan. I know it is not a country but the situation is similar. All these immigrants moved in and now the local citizens are moving out. They have been overrun by Muslim immigrants.

@Grecio When East and Southern Europeans moved in to East Coast neighborhoods, the WASPs moved out. Poorer and newer immigrants always displace older ones...

@Grecio I saw it and it's frightening, the entire look of the town is foreign. Most do not even speak English and don't care to.
[theunitedwest.org]

[cbsnews.com]

[clarionproject.org]

@K9Kohle789 You said entire look of the town is foreign? You mean they are no native Americans? Or by foreign and dangerous you mean non-white?

@seenoevil9620 You make a good point. Maybe Dearborn is full of peaceful Muslims. However, I do believe at some point they will try to gain a majority, win elections, and then start to try and impose Islam and Sharia. Even peaceful Muslims believe in converting the entire world to Islam.
I guess one can live in America and not believe in the separation of church and state.
Indeed, I have only realized that many Christians living in the USA don't believe in separation of church and state.

@seenoevil9620, @Krish55 Where do the Muslim s get their money? Do they work and speak English? just asking

@Grecio Yes, like all the immigrants. Unless your ancestors came from the British islands, they also didn't speak English fluently until the next generation. You're just asking racist questions. Your critique is not a religious one.

@Krish55 I am not a racist. Is it OK to ask a question if I don't already know the answer? Let me ask you this. Why do we need immigrants? Why don't they just stay in their own country?

@Grecio Like me, we don't stay in our own countries because the US goes around invading, destabilizing, funding jihadists etc, in order to control the wealth in other countries. I return the question to you: "WHY DON'T YOU KEEP YOUR MILITARY, CIA, ETC. OUT OF OTHER COUNTRIES?"

@Krish55 WIKI: of, relating to, or derived from another country or nation; not native:
foreign cars.
of or relating to contact or dealings with other countries; connected with foreign affairs.
external to one's own country or nation:
a foreign country.
carried on abroad, or with other countries:
foreign trade.
belonging to or coming from another district, province, etc.
located outside a specific district, province, etc.

@Krish55 I think American elected officials want to seize oil and the reason for wars with other countries is for oil. Always follow the money. There is where your answer is. Americans are often horrified by our presidents actions like attacking countries- for example, Bush jr. wanted pay back for the twin towers and instead of attacking Afghanistan where Osama is living he goes and fights with Iran WTF? Because his family are very close to the Bin Ladens all old oil money and Junior wouldn't lift a finger to kill a family friend no matter what they do to us. It's about the oil.

@MakeItGood It's, not zero influence when there at least 3 Muslim congressmen/women.

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Why should we let those Islamic idiots in? They will never assimilate and will try to impose Sharia law if they are ever given the opportunity.

Unlike the biblical laws that our government are passing in each state and federal statutes. 🤔🤔

Been watching too much Fox news have we?

You have not learned anything.

Trajan61 The Liberal atheists on this site with their ridiculous bleeding heart views on immigration are far more dangerous to this country than religious conservatives who I believe have more common sense on this matter

@tiredofthis1 That is exactly correct. People like AOC are in particularly very dangerous.

@tiredofthis1 I concur.

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The danger here is their ideology ,In that they want to spread It to the U.S.They do not wish to assimilate but want to indoctrinate the weak minded outcasts and increase the followers of Islam.They set a bad example for our youth in their sexist treatment of woman .From Saudi Arabia to Egypt to Lebanon ,vicious anti Semitic and anti American propaganda is spewing forth from the preachers of hate : Muslim clerics,Muslim newspapers even government officials and this hatred has spread to the US.

Excellent comment

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Don't be prejudice, ALL religions are fucked up.

1of5 Level 8 Nov 24, 2019

👍👍You said it.

I agree with you totally. However, three billion people on earth are religious. That is over half of the world's population.

@Grecio world's population is 7B+ and I'd be flat stunned if non believers totaled a billion

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Most definitely YES The extremists are a fast growing disease and a threat to the U.S. .I want less religious fanaticism in this country .

I want less Xian interference on government & my life! They are on a "roll" right now......

I second that Rich.

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Why would we let someone like our congresswoman Omar come to the US. She’s intent on changing this country and I guarantee it won’t be for the better.

How do you know?

What exactly has Omar done that offends you? She has never lied, she wasn't being anti-Semitic with her remarks, she was candid about her statements involving super pacs, so what is bothering you the most about Omar?

We let Fred Trump in didn't we? Doesn't get much worse than that.

I agree with you Trajan61. She spews hatred for the Jews and Sharia Law. She is a traitor.

Where did the mean Omar lady hurt your manhood? Did you start the get a tingle when you saw a guy with his shirt off??

@aintmisbehaven If you like muslims so much why don’t you move to a Muslim country so you can have the full benefit from those looney idiots.

@Grecio
$10 million a day is what Israel gets in aid from the US. More than all other aid combined. They don't need it. They have free University, free healthcare (includes free abortions), and actual retirement. We find defense so they don't have to. Must be nice to get our tax dollars while we hope that we don't go bankrupt from and illness or injury and plan on working until we are dead because college and other opportunities were out of our reach.

@Trajan61 These atheists non believers or whatever they claim they are, that voted no are idiots .Why would people that are supposed to be against indoctrination,religion etc be In favor of having more of these Muslim loons who may be extremists or Intend to be in this regard be allowed in this Country .it is sort of a contradiction .But these people with their pathetic liberal reasoning really don’t surprise me .

@godlessguy No they don’t really surprise me either as a lot of them are quite looney. Thankfully they are not running the country. Not yet anyway. If people like Talibe, Omar and AOC ever start running this country we will have a civil war before long.

@farkinaround 1) she may seem no threat but having 3.45 million Muslims behind her skirts with an agenda should bother everyone in America. 2) Let's not forget 9/11 and WHO did it. Muslims. Perhaps radical but nonetheless 3rd religion in the US. 3) They are not innocent lambs they are seeking to disrupt America with Islam, they are becoming teachers in our public schools and elected to positions that make/create laws. You want that? Since I have no religious affiliation all my life I can see what they're up to but your background perhaps forgives others and their religion and if they overtake our country-- YOU sure don't believe it.
" Muslim groups aren’t just dabbling in far-left social progressivism for fun or out of ignorance of their faith. They’re doing so for strategic reasons. "[firstthings.com]
Read this it's worse than a S.King novel: [americanthinker.com]

@godlessguy Well said.

@godlessguy, @Trajan61 Well said.

@Trajan61 All these Naïve Imbeciles who want more of this scum to pollute this country ,they do not have the common sense to realize that no matter how friendly they may appear that any body that is not of their religion are just Infidels to them .

@godlessguy @Trajan61 People are so naive. Of course there had to be a few knuckleheads putting their two cents in. I agree with you Trajan. No sense in talking to folks like that.

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Yes .Keep these archaic KORAN TRASH reading woman abusing religious Imbeciles,who look Disparagingly at us and claim we are nothing but infidels out of my country

Could not agree more .They do not respect any ideology but their own .

@richieg. Instead of how open-minded You are???!

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I voted yes because I don’t think we need radical Islamic idiots like Omar and Rashida Talibe in the US Congress.

@Trajan61 What is ironic is that these mostly liberal minded atheists are more in favor of an influx of radical deluded Islamic fools in this country than conservative religious people who mostly think otherwise .This proves what Dr Michael Savage and others state that liberalism is a mental disorder.

@HarrySlick I read that book he wrote .And I agree with him

@HarrySlick Couldn't agree with you more on that.

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Voted YES..As a non believer I would like to see a decline in religion and indoctrination in the U.S.not an Increase.Muslims are less tolerant to other religious groups and nonbelievers than other religions are .I look negatively on all religions and do not favor one over the other .They are all archaic and close minded and detrimental to society some more than others as is the case with the beliefs of Islam.

I'm with you on that.

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Yes .The beliefs of Islam is a disease that must be eradicated.They have the intentions to indoctrinate weak minded citizens of this country like they have done many times in the past

Just like... every religion.

@bingst Yes just like all religions.They are all detrimental to mankind.The only difference is some are more sexist, homophobic,barbaric and controlling than others, but maybe you are an individual that embraces religion

@godlessguy Hah! Weak.

Ha You do not like the truth ha,

@bingst hah,weak stupid reply

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Yes ,I despise all religious cults ,fanatics etc especially the ones with the potential of violence .As non believers the last thing we need is more religion in our lives, and this is the fastest growing religious following on the earth

granny Level 6 Nov 29, 2019

Well said, my friend.

Very well said.

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Yes . As an atheist I desire freedom from religion so why would I vote to have an influx of religious fanatics invade my country especially ones that wish to spread their sexist evil ideology to every weak minded individual that they can .

Just like Evangelical Christians do? Maybe we should start getting rid of those? Oh, and keep them from sending missions to do likewise in other countries; if it's bad for foreigners to do it here, then it must be bad for Americans to do it in foreign countries?

@bingst Why do you people keep mentioning Christians and their ideology as being just as bad or worse as if one moronic religion legitimizes the other .I am against spreading all religions.

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WTF? Why are you even asking the question?
What we really need is separation of church and state. Every religion has some radical wack job fanatics, that will try to impose their version of religion on the rest of us.

CS60 Level 7 Nov 24, 2019

Well put my friend. I have found recently, many Christians in this country do not believe in separation of church and state.

@Grecio People who are afraid reach for religion to validate their need for anger against "the other". You're demonstrating it in spades with the OP, and in your comments. OK Boomer....

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only if we keep christians out too.

there are more radical christian sharia lovers here than their muslim equivalents. the latter tend to stay in sharia-ruled countries and eschew the west. be any of that as it may, the constitution clearly forbids such a religious test.

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I don't see anything wrong with keeping anybody out that doesn't believe in the separation of church and state. However, I guess Americans are free to not believe in the separation of church and state. So, I guess one day the constitution could be changed to remove the SOCS clause.

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They should be banned from seeking office, they should be limited entry to the US. [grandmageri422.me]

Only them? What about blonde white supremacists?

@Krish55 you saw the link?

@K9Kohle789 You've read the news about the murders committed by white supremacists?

@Krish55 Are these white supremacists in gov't positions or teaching our children in public schools? AFTER they took out the 2 towers in NYC??

@K9Kohle789 Wait! Are you saying that the 911 hijackers who crashed the planes are still alive? Or are you stereotyping all Muslims? Like how Hitler stereotyped all Jews?
You just revealed your racism…

@Krish55 I am against religion, NOT PEOPLE.They believe in Sharia Law and see little man, that's not a good plan for your grandchildren. So you think that's racist? I am 100% against all fkng religions as it affects my life.

@K9Kohle789 Well said..

@K9Kohle789, @Krish55 Islam is not a race. It is a bad ideology that believes the government should be run by religious clerics and govern every moment of your life.

@Krish55 What the hell does white supremacy have to do with this subject . .They are both evil .So if there are white supremacists here we should also let these people in ?

@godlessguy The problem is that the question only picks on one group.

@Krish55 Yes that is my point sir .The question is only about ONE group entering this country ,as is a whole slew of other evil groups that can not be addressed in a single poll

@K9Kohle789 yes many of them are, sadly, having serious impact on our children with the connivance of like-minded bigots.

@Krish55 Please let's not resort to namecalling of contributors. Let's stick to the question.

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The USA should like all other countries try and keep out criminals and fanatics, after all they have more than enough of there own.
If those evil bastards are Islamic, Buddhist, catholic, taoist or any thing else is completely irrelevant to the question.

"The USA should like all other countries try and keep out criminals and fanatics"
Yeah, that's pretty much the way it's always worked.

@phoenixlives or not worked considering all the hate groups, gun violence and trump supporters

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Ask the people of our First Nations.

Once Christians got a foothold, look at what happened to their country. The important thing to remember is that all of us are immigrants from somewhere at some time. Unless you were born in and are living in the cradle of human origins (somewhere in Africa), your family at some point moved to wherever you currently are. Perhaps it would be better to ask yourself if you should be kept out of wherever you are by someone who was there before you arrived.

As many have said, the American Indian had a poor immigration policy.

Following this thought to its natural extreme, one could ask, should those Nations move back across the Bering Straits to Asia? And everyone in Eurasia and the Americas go back where they came from?

Africa's going to be very crowded, if the Nativists get their way, since no group is "native" to where they are.

@Paul4747 -- That was the point behind the comment, my friend. No one on this planet except for those whose families can be traced all the way back the the human origin have any legitimate claim. The Earth is not to be owned, it is to be cared for, and oh my have we ever done a piss poor job of that.

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The USA is meaningless if we keep people out due to religious affiliation. Obviously no known criminals or terrorists. Most of the "mass" shootings in the USA are done by disaffected white Christians / white supremacists. Fundamentalists of any religion are dangerous.

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I am suspicious of the reasons for posting such a question... seems to be a bit WTF.... maybe perhaps because I am Canadian...

blzjz Level 7 Nov 24, 2019

Canada has the same problem.

@Grecio only in that it is a matter of degree....Canada is kilometers ahead of the US in this matter...

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Do you realize that Sharia law is simply another term for Abrahanic law. So by your question we should keep out all Jews and Christians as well. Is that what you want?

Jews and Christians don't cut people's heads off.

@Grecio read a history book, or the bibly. Same people - same bullshit.

Let's talk Inquisition...
[en.wikipedia.org]

@phoenixlives hell there are modern day christian terrorists in the world... not sure if they are specifically cutting off heads but they are terrorists nonetheless. For example the Lord's Resistance Army is one in Africa. [salon.com]

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Unbelievable,Open your eyes people .They are being instructed in the Mosque not to assimilate .They are forcing Americans out of their businesses by buying strip malls and raising the rent dramatically so they can let their people in.No American flags anywhere

Excellent video to prove your point .

"Beirut by Night" is a Nightclub, you fools...muslims do not drink, so I doubt they are big customers.....

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Of course, all Muslims are not bad people. However, if one reads the Koran and other Islamic literature, there seems to be a lot of "kill apostates". etc.. In addition, Muslims that immigrate to the USA don't seem to assimilate. They take over neighborhoods and towns. Look what is going on in Europe. The EU has allowed too much immigration and is beginning to send them back.
Given, the Christian Bible has horrible things in it, but modern Christians have abandoned most of those customs and beliefs. It seems that Islam hasn't moved into the future.

Source:

Youtube.com

The stronger influence will be the vast majority of people are not Muslims. That will convert them by good sense or to Christains or non believers more than anything.

You mean like the N.Y. Jewish community, or Chinatown in various cities, or the Amish, or or or do?

Integration is a two way street, BT fucking W.

I don't feel Youtube is citable as a reliable source. That's one step away from ThisGuyInThePubSaid.com.

Firstly, it is bad form to answer your own post with a 1stcomment.
Secondly, the comment makes an assumption that in my experience is false. I cannot speak for all of Europe, only where I live, Yes we have a large Muslim community. Can they be rather exclusive? somewhat. But they do mingle just not in the usual way like bars etc. I have quite a few Muslim customers and many of them volunteer for things like the local cricket club and such. Then we have food shops. There have been posts about food poverty here. Places where you cannot buy fresh veg for miles around. Not so in my yard, I will post a video of one of the local shops that would not exist if not for the Muslims
Next (and again I can only speak for Liverpool) we had huge riots in the 80s. After that, the police stayed away from certain areas. Drug dealers moved in and they became "No-go areas" for the cops. Then the Muslims did something about it. Mostly Samarlli but also from Pakistan and Afganistan. They cleared the place of street dealers and prostitutes. (Not always by legal means) I am not saying that its crime-free but you can bring your kids up there now and people are buying new houses.
Last night I fancied a drink so I went across the street to the convenience store. Allan is in charge and although a Kurd and Muslim he is not strict in his worship. We shoot the breeze and swop jokes and then I barter for the best deal he can give me on some booze. Eventually settling for brandy at £14 a bottle. No big news, just local people getting on with the business of life.

anyone can post anything on youtube, excluding copyright violations (and those have to be caught). i can post something on youtube "proving" leprechauns exist, or that soupy sales was a vampire, or whatever.

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Many so called modern Christians are hell bent on going back. Back to no education, no women’s rights, and creating fear and hate.

@genessa Soupy Sales was a vampire? The next thing you're going to tell me is Gilligan smokes pot!😋

Ooohhh, just like the babble, gawd wants "his people" to prevail. Yuck!

@273kelvin I disagree about the bad form. I answer 1st to try and help explain the question. What difference does it make as to the order that I give my answer? Why should I ask a question and then not give my opinion? I don't see the problem, personally.

@273kelvin Ask your friend if he believes in Sharia law. Ask him if he believes in the separation of church and state. Also, ask him if he believes terrorism is appropriate under certain conditions. Ask him if he thinks apostates should be killed. Thanks... ps. All that food looks really good.

@273kelvin, @Castlepaloma I think if you look around the world, that isn't happening. Muslims reproduce much quicker than native populations. Muslims have a huge religious drive to convert people to Islam. It's kinda like a jihad.

@AnneWimsey pot didn't grow well on the island. Poppies they had.

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@Grecio I don't really have to ask him those things. Like most Muslims in my country, they traveled here to get away from that kind of shite. Plus I know that he enjoys the occasional glass of white wine.
We do not have a separation of church and state in the UK. The queen is secular head of the church of England and bishops, chief rabi and some Muslim leaders are cross-bench members of the house of lords. (the upper house similar to your senate). We take the view that it is better to have them inside the tent... The only western country heading towards a fundamentalist religious church-state is yours I am afraid

@oldFloyd Remember that before Gilligan, Denver played a 'beatnik' on Dobie Gillis. It would be reasonable to infer that the Maynard character was a pot-smoking forerunner of 'hippie.'

@273kelvin Everything I see looks like England has the same problem with Muslim immigrants as the USA. England is starting to deport them and passing laws to limit the building of mosques.

@Grecio Where the fuck do you get your sources? Faux news or the KKK gazette?

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Muslims in America believe it is OK to kill people that Insult Allah.

Source:

I'm not just blowing hot air into the atmosphere. Muslims are a danger to our society. the women in general have likely lost friends or family to America's fighters so you judge if you think they're all innocent little lambs or not.

Well by that logic, Hitler was a white Catholic so because of what he said ALL White male catholics should be BANNED FROM THE COUNTRY, Mussolini was a nasty Italian so they all have to too, Mao ce tung had some really unpleasant ideas so close down all the Chinese restaurants and chuck them out.
OH YES and Benedict Arnold that is the end of all the Americans then, Ned Kelly gets shot of the Aussies, and of course Emperor Hirohito so deport the Japanese.
Keep going until there is just the Queen left, Oh NO German, well that's it the country is empty.

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Nobody in the USA that speaks against Christianity gets declared an apostate and has his/her head chopped of or gets stoned to death. Do you see the point. Islam is still in the dark ages.

Not all Moslems are literal extremists, just like Christians...thank god.😉

@Reignmond I agree. I am just saying, let's not add to the problem of religion by letting in a really bad ideology like Islam.

That difference exists because Christian countries don't get invaded and their societies is destroyed by the US and by Europeans.
In the post Yugoslavia wars, christians committed barbarities against each other and against muslims.
Furthermore, Christians in the American army commit barbarities in Afghanistan and Iraq…

Those atrocities didn't occur before Western countries invaded those lands. Your
selective use of facts prove you to be a racist. You're selective Cherry picking from history proves you to be a racist.

@Krish55 If thousands of immigrants are climbing over fences and breaking into a country unlawfully, is that an invasion? Take a look at Europe. They have let in 2,000,000-4,000,000 immigrants during the past few years. Most of these are immigrants from Islamic countries. Most of these immigrants speak only Arabic so they can't really work. They are building Mosques with money sent from Saudi Arabia. These mosques teach hate for the infidel. Europe is waking up now and has started deporting.

@Grecio pooh, look how we went quickly from "muslims" to "climbing over fences" Xenophobic.much?

@AnneWimsey Of course, you make a good point. There are Muslims in the USA military fighting for our country. All Muslims aren't bad. We just need a lot of the world to try and modernize Islam. You know one thing that would help is these religious folks to just not take their religion so seriously. They are so 110% sure about something for which there is very little evidence (Richard Dawkins)

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America should not let ANY fundamentalist religious nutjobs into their country!

Now if only those natives had thought about this when the Mayflower landed?

Happy thanksgiving

Enjoy your turkey you smart agnostic.

@Grecio We don't thanksgiving in the UK. I had a curry and gave a little thank you that I did not hear Trump that day.

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