Well, there’s that…

Inane indeed.

Neither do I. Just having a dig at those who take glee in it in their black and white vax Vs antivax worlds. This story is grey.

You can read my comment to this thread.

@rogerbenham yes, I did. My experience is very different from yours. My son had a stroke right before Christmas. He was in an ICU unit in a large hospital in a city about an hour from where I live. His ICU room was at the end of a long, long hallway. I passed room after room after room of patients being treated for Covid on my walk to get to him. They were easy to spot in their glass walled rooms, lying on their stomachs alone with ventilators jammed into their faces, uncovered butts bared to the world. Every room was full. as soon as a room became vacant for whatever reason, another Covid patient was immediately put in. It affected everything, including the level of care my non-Covid suffering son was getting, to a very disturbing degree. There were times when I would not see his nurse for more than an hour and a half.... in ICU. I was being his nurse in as many ways as possible. My son improved for a few days and then they rushed a phase of his care to hurry him out of the ICU ward and he experienced a sudden decline. My son didn't survive. The myriad of ways that this "nasty flu," as you put it, negatively affected the operation of the hospital will be something I will never forget.

@Deb57 Well the real problem is that the governments suppressed all early treatments, dismissing proven cures as useless. The fact is that early treatments had been done before with great results on SARS Cov 2. Governments lied and said that there was no cure and offered Remdesivir, which destroys your kidneys. Governments, doctors made no attempt to suggest preventative protocols. The easiest of all was to tell people to take loads of vitamin D3. Another was Zinc. There are lots more. There was as usual no attempt to tell people to stop eating junk and do everything to improve their immune systems. I believe that doctors for a very long time have become slaves of the big pharmas. Pushing drugs, not good advice. The fact is that I now have immunity for life, unlike what the vaccines give. Patients who lived through Swine flu (pretty similar) in 2002 have still got immunity to Covid which is 29% different.
The truth is all going to come out very soon as people realise that the more shots you have , so the morelikely you are t get sick. It is now coming out that the vaccines are causing a huge increase in cancers.

@rogerbenham the FACT is that the vaccines make a difference right here and right now. The vaccinated and boosted are not the people glutting up ICUs all over the country. It is the unvaccinated doing that. If I have to choose between possibly dealing with cancer down the road or dying alone with my naked butt in the air and a tube shoved down my throat now, I'm going to chose the former, not the latter.

@Deb57 Last night I went to a lecture opposed to vaccines. The hall (actually a church) was 90% packed. We'll see if we get a huge outbreak of Covid. The Swine Flu of 2002 was 10 times worse than Covid. Singapore doctors last year searched out survivors of it. All these years later they still had antibodies totally effective to CV19 despite 20% differences. It is believed that I am now totally immune to Covid for life. The vaccines do not give you immunity. The death rates from Covid before vaccines were equal to death rates from flu.Less than 1%. That is why I took my chances and for me it really paid off. I look back on Mau and Asian flu's as being far worse than Omicron.

@rogerbenham
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@Deb57 It is all so odd when doctors, of course now out of work, claim to have been using it for many years. It is of course out of patent so whilst big pharma can sell this experimental drug for $20.00 a shot, they can only sell Ivermectin for 12 cents a shot. So the latest fraud by big pharma is claiming that Ivermectin was only invented in 2015 or 2018. In which case it would very much be in patent. The 1950's more likely. Sorry, but I am pretty convinced that there is something else going on. My original reason for resisting the "vaccine" was it was clearly far from being tested (and recent whistle blower testimony says most usual steps were missed out) and I chose not to be a guinea pig. Since then doctor friends of mine have given me very different stories to the highly controlled media.

He posted anti-vax stuff on social media I believe.

@JeffMurray But he did start the vaccines though it was too late. I'm not familiar with him, other than what I read in the article.

@itsmedammit So he was an anti-vaxxer for an entire year and still wasn't fully vaccinated? That death is on him...

Like the way you think

Someone sceptical of the vaccines, has one and 2 weeks later in ICU. Now dead.
He did not choose, he was coerced.

@puff Bullshit, what did they, do, subject him to U.S. Gittmo Water-boarding or something perhaps?
He WAS an Olympic Champion btw.

@Triphid Once you are an Olympic champion, no-one can take that off you. No "WAS" about it.

@puff All his training and Sporting Awards ain't gunna get him now he's dead, he'll just be dinner for worms and they won't give a monkey's fart about what he was will they?

@Triphid Coercion [msn.com]

@puff So let me get this straight here, in your opinion, it IS coercion to want to TRY to maintain your healthy and safety along WITH that of EVERY other person, man, woman or child within and without of your community by merely being VACCINATED in an EFFORT to TRY to stem the advance of the Covid Virus as it seeks to decimate Human kind?
Then, Sir, IF that be your philosophy regarding this Pandemic then PLEASE feel free to Emigrate to ANOTHER planet, I hear the weather on Pluto is quite conducive at this time of the century.

The fact that you claim being near vaccinated people "gave you a rash"is Plenty for me to stop reading your nuttiness immediately.

@AnneWimsey You will find out that I'm correct within this year, certainly before the end of next.

I totally agree with you about 9-11 and I only trust our government as far as I can throw it, but in the case of Covid, since it doesn't discriminate against the rich and powerful, I do think the fed government is telling the truth about the dangers of it and the need for vaccination. It does the ruling class no good if this turns into The Black Plague again and kills off lots of them.

So you were never confirmed to have had covid?

@TomMcGiverin But it never was naturally a killer worse than flu.

@itsmedammit Oh indeed I was. I could only have caught it from one person and she was confirmed. My doctor asked me for symptoms and confirmed that in all likelihood I had it. Our community took an enormous hit of Omicron around New Year. Many people were told they probably had it as the hospital ran out of tests.

@AnneWimsey no use arguing with some people. "Controlled blasts" is enough to walk away from crazy. I fo agree, and expect you may as well, that the government lies - I still want to know why 250 Saudis got to leave the country immediately afterward 911, however that is a fact easily confirmed.
I was surprised he didn't have the Moon landing was faked.

Wikipedia:- "Subsequent research failed to confirm the utility of ivermectin for COVID-19,and in 2021 it emerged that many of the studies demonstrating benefit were faulty, misleading, or fraudulent. Nevertheless, misinformation about ivermectin continued to be propagated on social media and the drug remained a cause célèbre for anti-vaccinationists and conspiracy theorists" Spot on.

@Gareth Well, it worked wonderfully for me. You're saying that getting a noble prize for its use with humans was an incredible error?

@rogerbenham You can't possibly know, any more than if I pray for rain and it rains I 'know' that my prayer was effective. "Nobel prize", not "noble" and it was awarded in 2015, well before Covid19 even existed, and don't put words into people's mouths.

@Gareth So are you saying that because I used Ivermectin and I got no serious symptoms, I cannot ascribe Ivermectin as the reason. I do know noble rather than noble but I make many typing mistakes. I grew up with fountain pens. I also find keyboards unreliable (So often miss out letters and spaces).

@rogerbenham Correct. One anecdotal data point is not compelling evidence.

@Gareth But we can choose the advice of a doctor one has known for half one's life over an unreliable media and a government which one knows happily lies.

@rogerbenham Your body, your choice but I know better than trying to reason with cranks.

@Gareth You actually there are being typical. Your side abuses my side. I have not called you names or insulted you as also with others above. So you have entered the divisive tactics used before. Humans rarely remember history.

@rogerbenham If you can bear to listen, Emma at 14.07 to 15.00 in this clip, nails it better than I could :-

@Gareth Well I do not watch TV. I don't know what Spotify is but I've heard that musicians make very little money from it.
I guess that I belong to a resistance which is steadily growing around the wealthy countries. I mean, just how many people dying from or disabled from the vaccines is acceptable bearing in mind that hospitals are trying to suppress all adverse reporting?

@rogerbenham

I give my dogs Ivermectin for heart and lung worms. That is what it is for. It is a Wormer. A poison. So, you could be worm-free, but that won't keep you from contracting or dying from Covid. Take enough of it, and it won't keep you from dying of a WORMER, either! So, let me get this straight: some people would rather spin the wheel on bleach or worm poison, but think taking a covid shot is just too risky? Makes a LOT of sense!

Unfortunately they take innocents with them.

He was finally convinced to get inoculated by using his job as the coercion to gain compliance. 2 weeks later he's in ICU, soon after dead.
It is a very sad story and an autopsy should be done to determine cause of death. a sad final chapter in his life.
The inoculation may well have had nothing to do with his demise. But if it did, as an emergency approved medicine, no liability will fall on the manufacturer.
Can we agree that mandated medical treatments should have attained full approval with accompanying liability if things go South? Until then, a tad dodgy mandating.

@puff Oh, that's where you were going? You were thinking the shot may have caused his death? Jesus.

@JeffMurray The Australian version of VAERS is up over 730 reported deaths.
Yes, the shot may have caused death, don't know but neither do you. Think an autopsy is justified to settle things would you not agree? If there is a problem is it not better to investigate than "stay the course"? Perhaps we could look at trial data for clues..........in 75 years.
Where I was going was all those who take glee in the unvaxxed passing, wondered what they thought about this guy. No vaccine is 100%/ perfect is a favourite catch phrase after all so denying the possibility the jab contributed is totally hypocritical.
Need an autopsy.

@puff 730 reports, likely most of which are completely unrelated given the recent study showing 2/3 of all reactions were placebo related, divided by the 93% of your 25.69 million is three thousandths of one percent, even if they were all real. So yeah, pretty unlikely, especially weeks after the vaccination.

@JeffMurray yes agree very rare but still there (poet and didn't know it ).
Why no medicine should be administered without first obtaining freely given and informed consent without coercion. This reminds me of a classic catch 22.
People need the jab for work, the only reason they get it. They need work to live. This is coercion. But when you get the jab you need to sign a consent form. If you say "I don't consent but need for my job, so won't be signing the form" they will refuse to give the jab to you. So to keep the job, you sign the form under duress which legally, makes the consent form null and void.
It's a crazy world

@puff We've had this argument too many times. We fundamentally disagree. No point talking about it again.

@Wangobango3 It is never reliable. It is RT which lures people in with occasional reliability. Study the history of propaganda & misinformation dispensation. Pox Spews was once "reliable". Don't fall for their bait suggesting they are "reliable". Putin's is KGB which knows the tactics for lowering one's guard. Gee. You were easy.